#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-07

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[1:02] <nuclearsandwich> Anyone here with Always Innovating?
[1:04] <dpb> No.
[1:04] <nuclearsandwich> Drag, got my touchbook in the mail today. It appears to be DOA.
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[1:06] <Corsac> DOA ?
[1:06] <nuclearsandwich> dead on arrival
[1:07] <nuclearsandwich> when I powered it up I was treated to a blank white screen which would periodically go out and then come back
[1:07] <nuclearsandwich> but remained blank white or off. No AI logo or anything
[1:07] <nuclearsandwich> I already tried reflashing the OS onto the SD card but that did not help.
[1:08] <Meiz_n810> WSOD! O_O
[1:08] <Meiz_n810> ==> help desk
[1:09] <Corsac> definitely
[1:09] <dpb> nuclearsandwich: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/support/helpdesk.htm
[1:09] <nuclearsandwich> already filed a ticket but I thought I'd check the forums and irc to see how common this was.
[1:10] <nuclearsandwich> I'm a little bummed out, but at least it means I'll sleep tonight... eventually.
[1:11] <nuclearsandwich> I can say this though, the internals are very elegantly laid out.
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[1:11] <Meiz_n810> my money was taken week ago, now i'm getting bored waiting the USPS mail >_<
[1:12] <nuclearsandwich> two slide locks remove the keyboard and a single lock removes the red cover. Everything is right there, beagleboard, battery and the back of the screen.
[1:12] <Meiz_n810> MaceN8x0 no :(
[1:12] <Meiz_n810> yes, to finland
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[1:13] <nuclearsandwich> it is topheavy yes, but according to the forums their shipping out plastic bits to fix this
[1:13] <nuclearsandwich> and the October batch will have them included
[1:14] <nuclearsandwich> yeah, they've basically got an L that clips on the back as a sort of triangle base
[1:14] <nuclearsandwich> so it adds some area behind the hinge to prevent tipping
[1:15] <nuclearsandwich> if it sticks out behind more leverage is required to tip it.
[1:15] <dpb> Has any international order got the tracking number yet?
[1:15] <nuclearsandwich> I should mention that I live about 20 minutes from Palo Alto.
[1:16] <nuclearsandwich> yeah, all pre-existing customers will be getting them
[1:16] <nuclearsandwich> if you have a TB or one on the way, this part will make it to you at some point, the october batch and on will have them in the box.
[1:17] <Meiz_n810> cdjmvjvfjfv
[1:17] <nuclearsandwich> I can't speak for the interface just yet. :?
[1:17] <Meiz_n810> sry, it was my f-ing schoolmate
[1:18] <Meiz_n810> im gay
[1:18] <nuclearsandwich> I'm hoping to muck about with getting Dalvik running on it sans the google apps.
[1:18] <dpb> as I understand the 3d interface is only for the "menu", so it's a bit of a marketing bullshit IMO..
[1:18] <nuclearsandwich> I preorded on April Fool's Day, so it sort of makes sense
[1:18] <Meiz_n810> fucking schoolmateidiot >_<
[1:18] <nuclearsandwich> yeah, it's basically an animated OS X style dock that takes up the whole screen.
[1:19] <dpb> I was quite disappointed when I read it has xfce
[1:20] <dpb> dpb*
[1:20] <dpb> I was expecting some 3d UI :)
[1:20] * Meiz_n810 is gonna kill the guy who's typing some shiit here with my name XE
[1:20] <nuclearsandwich> neither gnome nor kde would be wise choices with 256MB of RAM. I'm looking forward to compiling dwm for this bad boy.
[1:21] <dpb> But I won't be using the TB OS anyway..
[1:21] <nuclearsandwich> What do you plan to run on it dpb?
[1:21] <dpb> nuclearsandwich: Ubuntu for start, but I got plans for my own OS
[1:21] <dpb> s/OS/distro/
[1:21] <dpb> nuclearsandwich: and yeah, dwm too <3
[1:21] <nuclearsandwich> rock on, Ubuntu derivative or from scratch?
[1:22] <dpb> nuclearsandwich: I'm planning to use ARM Linux Internet Platform for the base (http://linux.onarm.com)
[1:23] <dpb> they have an armel port of debian, yeah.
[1:24] <nuclearsandwich> indeed, but 90% of the so called distros that are popping up these days are Ubuntu with a different default package set and artwork.
[1:24] <dpb> Anyway, if I do my own distro, it won't be Debian/Ubuntu based.
[1:25] <dpb> Doesn't seem any more idiotproof than Debian...
[1:25] <nuclearsandwich> Ubuntu uses Debian's sources and packaging guidelines as a starting point but the target user base and philosophies differ enormously and this is reflected in how the distribution handles.
[1:25] <dpb> Ubuntu gained the popularity because they know how to market it.
[1:26] <nuclearsandwich> Most Debian users are appalled at how inflexible Ubuntu is and most Ubuntu folk can't figure out how to get stuff running in Debian.
[1:26] <dpb> I'm a long-time Debian user, but lately I've been going more and more towards Ubuntu.
[1:27] <nuclearsandwich> The best thing I can say for Ubuntu is that it makes an excellent runs on anything LiveCD for recovery and it's a gateway drug to more advanced linux distributions
[1:27] <dpb> Ubuntu is quite nice, if you just install the core and not the whole "OS".
[1:28] <nuclearsandwich> Qt had some licensing silliness before Qt4 though so I can see how Gnome gained its foothold.
[1:28] <dpb> KDE is just as bad.
[1:29] <dpb> kde4 might be, but there was really nothing better with the kde3 look..
[1:29] <nuclearsandwich> worse, in some respects. I've largely moved non-geeks to XFCE as it is pretty and fully functioned without being overly bulky.
[1:30] <dpb> I tried KDE4, but seems quite undone. Quite unstable, components kept crashing all the time.
[1:30] <nuclearsandwich> KDE3 by default wasn't much to look at but KDE's power was in your ability to customize the look.
[1:31] <dpb> :)
[1:31] <nuclearsandwich> KDE4 was a collossal rewrite and its taking a while to get back to it's strong points. My brother is using 4.3 and loves it.
[1:32] <nuclearsandwich> I wouldn't reccomend open office
[1:32] <dpb> abiword atleast was on the list
[1:33] <nuclearsandwich> it would start to push what the TB can handle
[1:33] <dpb> openoffice will probably be way too heavy
[1:33] <nuclearsandwich> It'll run but it will be clunky, Is openoffice fully compiled or bytecode?
[1:34] <nuclearsandwich> I would assume that it has to run in the JVM on the touchbook
[1:34] <dpb> MaceN8x0: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/List_packages_2009-09.b lists what the image has ready (I can't see a list for 09.c on the wiki yet..)
[1:34] <nuclearsandwich> which would add some overhead
[1:34] <dpb> openoffice isn't fully JVM, only some parts of it
[1:35] <dpb> I think it's mainly C++
[1:35] <nuclearsandwich> it comes with abiword and gnumeric for word processing and spreadsheet editing. I can't imagine needing anything more sophisticated than what those apps can do.
[1:36] <dpb> it doesn't even come with Vim?? ugh..
[1:36] <nuclearsandwich> the suckless mailing lists were talking about the distinct lack of truly lightweight office applications.
[1:38] <dpb> crazy..
[1:39] <nuclearsandwich> I should probably get to bed actually, I have class in6 hours and I didn't sleep last night working on a project. It's been great to meet you all. I'll be spending quite a lot of time here as the months go by. May your initial experience unboxing your TBs be better than mine by far. Night all.
[1:39] <dpb> Night.
[1:40] <nuclearsandwich> dpb: I'm hoping vim is one of those things that is so trivial they forgot to list it. I don't know what I'd do without it
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[2:11] <Corsac> you're on it?
[2:30] <dpb> busybox has a (really crappy) vi implementation
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[3:19] <Meiz_n810> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYOjRGYeYU&feature=youtube_gdata
[3:21] <Meiz_n810> Nokia n8x0 is able to do simple compositing without any hw acceleration, TB will do fine :)
[3:24] <dpb> what an old video.. <.<
[3:24] <Meiz_n810> yup
[3:32] <dpb> I should dig my n810 from wherever it is, and find some use for it...
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[5:03] <dpb> I don't have a car.
[5:08] <andrewgodwin> i have a car, but it's too old for carman :)
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[5:56] <Corsac> what's carman?
[5:57] <dpb> some car application for Maemo devices
[5:58] <DJWillis> Yep, Maemo car telemetry software
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[6:42] <Corsac> http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/apple-tablet-pc-manufactured-by-foxconn-shipping-in-q1/
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[7:17] <Meizirkki> over 10 inch screen =_=
[7:18] <Meizirkki> i guess they have no idea how easy it is to get a bunch of scratches on it...
[7:36] <Corsac> the thing is, if there's 400 000 iTablet on market next Q1, it'll be hard time for AI :/
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[7:46] <JoeM> Just got my TB --- Yippie
[7:47] <JoeM> can I use my TB during the intial charge? Didn't see it on the wiki
[7:47] <Meizirkki> w00f, please do like everyone has promised this far: post pics! :P
[7:47] <Meizirkki> JoeM, I think you can.
[7:48] <JoeM> I'm in Florida so I think alot of people in the US will get theirs if it shipped 10/5
[7:49] <Meizirkki> My money was taken week ago, but i'm still without a tracking-number :(
[7:50] <Meizirkki> I don't live in US though
[7:50] <JoeM> now I am fighting with the magnets!! I tried the table idea... not working or just a whimp
[7:50] <JoeM> No tracking number? are you in the US
[7:50] <andrewgodwin> are they the really small but strong magnets?
[7:50] <andrewgodwin> i almost lost the end of a finger to them once
[7:50] <JoeM> little bigger than a nickel
[7:51] <JoeM> andre how did you get them apart?
[7:51] * andrewgodwin attempts to convert the size of a nickel to a UK coin
[7:54] <Corsac> still no tracking number here :(
[7:54] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: same here
[7:55] <blunderer> Corsac: andrewgodwin: +1
[7:55] <andrewgodwin> you both non-US too?
[7:55] <Meizirkki> Corsac, andrewgodwin, blunderer +1
[7:56] <Corsac> yes
[7:56] <Meizirkki> non-US here
[7:56] <blunderer> non US too
[7:56] <andrewgodwin> i think they haven't figured out non-US shipping yet
[7:57] <andrewgodwin> considering the shipping cost, it'd better be delivered by a pony to my doorstep :)
[7:58] <andrewgodwin> I would say "where's gregoire when you need him", but every time he comes on he gets assaulted with questions :)
[7:58] <JoeM> Cosac did you get one?
[7:59] <Meizirkki> <Corsac> still no tracking number here :(
[7:59] <Meizirkki> he said that about 20 sec ago
[8:00] <JoeM> sorry refreshed the page...
[8:01] <Corsac> :)
[8:01] <Corsac> France here
[8:02] <JoeM> I'm gonna go back and fight with the magnets some more :-) I guess I will wait for the TB to fully charge, Not totally sure if I can use while charging.
[8:02] <Corsac> that shouldn't cause any problem
[8:03] <JoeM> Kool... I read someone was having problems with their TB and E13design mentioned something about charging. It was on the forum recently.
[8:03] <mjr> most devices seem to recommend full charge before use, but I don't know if that's overly fussy
[8:03] <andrewgodwin> it's mostly a holdover from old battery technology
[8:04] <mjr> that's what I've pretty much figured, while still usually doing that to be on the safe side
[8:05] <andrewgodwin> when the cells had a memory, you had to charge them fully, or they'd get funny
[8:05] <JoeM> the last post under suggestions it was mentioned
[8:06] <JoeM> E13design "Have you guys been charging your TB like the quick start guide says to? You waited months another 9 hours wont kill you."
[8:06] <JoeM> quick start didn't say anything about charging or I missed it... will re-read again. Its only a few pages
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[8:07] <blunderer> I heard that even if you don't have to fully charge or discharge your battery every times, at least, the 2 or 3 first cycles are used for calibration
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[8:08] <andrewgodwin> blunderer: yes, by the battery circuits, but they can cope later on if you fully charge it
[8:08] <andrewgodwin> because they twig that you've gone over 100%
[8:08] <andrewgodwin> well, from what I know. I'm hardly a battery expert :)
[8:11] <JoeM> Thanks for the info everyone. Be back later.
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[8:17] <Eruquen> guessing from my buffer playback we're not the only international customers waiting for their tracking number?
[8:22] <andrewgodwin> Eruquen: nope. All the international people who've been processed are still waiting
[8:22] <andrewgodwin> well, from my limited sample set of 5
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[8:26] <Underthemoon> Hello.
[8:26] <andrewgodwin> hi Underthemoon
[8:29] <Underthemoon> Hey, martinh. Did you get your unit?
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[10:14] <dpb> Nice.
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[10:21] <npx> or your fingers are just too big :D
[10:22] <spvensko> Macer: you got it?
[10:22] <spvensko> how is it?
[10:22] <spvensko> why? :(
[10:22] <npx> or his fingers are too big :D
[10:22] <spvensko> yeah if igured it would be top heavy
[10:23] <npx> Macer where are you from? when did you get it?
[10:24] <npx> grrreece?
[10:24] <npx> :D
[10:25] <npx> i guess youll get used to it
[10:25] <spvensko> sell it to me for $200
[10:25] <Eruquen> I'd take it for $250!
[10:25] <spvensko> does it feel fast?
[10:26] <jvs> Macer, port a battery meter
[10:26] <spvensko> Macer: install the ubuntu ARM port :)
[10:28] <Anges> looks like I'll have to adapt my xkb like I did with eeepc!
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[10:54] <dpb> Macer: complaining so much about BETA software? You ordered a device knowing it has beta software, so stop complaining about pagers and battery metres
[10:56] <dpb> Oh they still have them? I thought gregoire said the stylus was a "fault" in the first patch.
[10:57] <dpb> Well you haven't been reading enough about it. There's even a *video* showing where the magnets go.
[10:58] <dpb> You could have cancelled it too.
[10:58] <dpb> You have to use a tool.
[10:58] <dpb> There are reviews, forums posts, maybe even wiki telling how to get the magnets apart.
[11:01] * Macer goes to find the bug list before it blanks again
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[11:18] <Meiz_n810> anything else to complain about yet ?
[11:18] <Meiz_n810> :D
[11:20] * Meiz_n810 gets bored not knowing his TB's tracking-number >_<
[11:20] * Eruquen too
[11:21] * npx too
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[11:27] <npx> and i want my usps tracking number :<
[11:29] <drantin> me too! but first I need that shipping email from AI
[11:30] <Meiz_n810> Macer: the default user is hardcoded in ai-daemon :(
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[11:30] <Meiz_n810> if you chage the user, you'll have to modify ai-daemon too and compile it again. (It has something to do with the user-button)
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[11:51] <tommd> My TB is in town and will probably be on my doorstep this afternoon!
[11:51] <tommd> Your TB?
[11:51] <tommd> I thought you were just trying to write a haiku.
[11:52] <andrewgodwin> Macer: is it the backlight, or just the image?
[11:52] <tommd> What OS version?
[11:53] <andrewgodwin> weird
[11:53] <DJWillis> Macer: the usual lack of input thing (mouse/touchscreen etc.)? I assume that the current software is still using largely Beagle based images?
[11:54] <andrewgodwin> ah, at least it's probably a software issue
[11:55] <andrewgodwin> not that that helps you now, but still...
[11:55] <andrewgodwin> yes, it is
[11:55] <DJWillis> Macer: tapped the touchscreen? (sorry, don't have a touchbook (in the UK) but have a lot of other OMAP3 stuff). It's almost deff. software.
[11:55] <DJWillis> Macer: is it the screen or the backlight?
[11:56] <DJWillis> hmmm, doh! ;-)
[11:58] <DJWillis> Macer: not directly, I suspect it's kernel setup (I think the kernel is based on the Linux-OMAP PM branch). I guess you could just poke the backlight device to stop it going off on batts, that would depend on how AI setup a few things.
[12:03] <koen> DJWillis: it's a non-pm kernel, but OE builds a pm kernel by default for touchbook
[12:05] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh, I assumed your merge into OE was based on whatever the shipping firmware used (I could not find an AI overlay anywhere). I stand corrected.
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[12:33] <pliny> Just opening my TB. USPS fricking ripped a giant hole in the box. Don't know how well it works yet, but I can tell you the plastic foam stuff they packed it with is awesome.
[12:33] <pliny> And I got a stylus too... Interesting.
[12:51] <tommd> pliny: A stylus _with_ the TB?
[12:51] <tommd> As in, same box, from AI?
[12:51] <pliny> Yep.
[12:51] <tommd> cool!
[12:51] <tommd> I can't wait to get home!
[12:51] <pliny> more concerningly though, neither my keyboard, nor my mouse seem to be working...
[12:53] <pliny> I'm not sure if the tablet portiong is even getting power to charge....
[12:56] <pliny> And now my screen has blanked....
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[13:03] <pliny> Hyc: Do you have problems with the TB's screen blanking on you?
[13:06] <pliny> Yeah, I saw. I'll try being patient. My keyboard and mouse aren't working though, so I'm freaking out.
[13:07] <pliny> I'm trying to figure out if it's getting power from the keyboard. If it is, maybe I'll just leave them to sit and charge.
[13:08] <andrewgodwin> it might be because it wasn't fully charged?
[13:08] <andrewgodwin> there might well be a reason for the advice to charge it first
[13:09] <andrewgodwin> Macer: yeah, I reckon it was, and the kernel's powermanager was getting confused about the changing levels, perha]s
[13:09] <pliny> Yeah, but I read that the tablet portion won't charge unless it's on.
[13:09] <andrewgodwin> it probably didn't know its own battery capacity
[13:09] <andrewgodwin> pliny: really?
[13:10] <pliny> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Charging_batteries
[13:10] <andrewgodwin> oh yes
[13:10] <andrewgodwin> well, that's not _that_ bad an issue I guess
[13:10] <pliny> Yeah, but the question is am I getting power from the keyboard to charge with? There's no keyboard or mouse recognised. Could be a connector issue. I'm still poking about.
[13:11] <andrewgodwin> Macer: yeah, 18Ah overall is quite a bit
[13:11] <andrewgodwin> my phone could probably last a month with that
[13:12] <andrewgodwin> i plan to get an n900 when they're out
[13:13] <andrewgodwin> hrm yes, my phone battery is only 1.1Ah
[13:13] <andrewgodwin> and it lasts around 3 days
[13:14] <andrewgodwin> perhaps the TB will last all the way from London to Portland next year, then
[13:14] <andrewgodwin> it might be a codec issue
[13:15] <andrewgodwin> try vlc, if it's available
[13:15] <andrewgodwin> damn program plays ANYTHING
[13:15] <andrewgodwin> including random divxs from inside multi-part rars
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[13:18] <pliny> Anybody know where to find the batteries under proc?
[13:20] <andrewgodwin> yeah, ff doesn't sound like the rigt
[13:20] <andrewgodwin> *right browser for such small ram
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[13:25] <matejcik> that's weird. matroska should contain h264 video
[13:27] <koen> mkv can contain pretty much any codec
[13:27] <koen> but h264 and vc1 are the most common ones
[13:28] <matejcik> indeed. but h264 should decode flawlessly, no? dunno about vc1
[13:30] <mjr> based on information provided by hyc, there's only DSP code for H264 BP
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[13:31] <matejcik> ah. well.
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[13:38] <mjr> possibly because they're >baseline profile and the other h264 you tried aren't
[13:39] <mjr> and if the dsp codecs are exposed via only gstreamer, mplayer wouldn't do you much good, since the cpu won't do a very good job at decoding those in real time...
[13:39] <hyc1> pliny: yeah, the screen will blank on its own when the power is low
[13:40] <hyc1> ~8 hours I think, maybe less
[13:40] <hyc1> what plans? just create a new user
[13:41] <hyc1> it's likeany other Linux system
[13:41] <hyc1> read the wiki
[13:42] <hyc1> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Category:Always_Innovating_OS
[13:43] <hyc1> pliny: the battery status is under /sys/class/power_supply
[13:45] <hyc1> read the wiki page for DSP Video, it's not always straightforward
[13:45] <pliny> hyc: Thanks. Now I'm working on finding out where the keyobard and mouse went...
[13:47] <hyc1> pliny: a few other people had problems there, as I recall. if the cable in the keyboard or hinge are pinched, that will screw 'em up
[13:47] <pliny> So I have to go inside the thing? That'll be fun.
[13:47] <hyc1> also just try separating the tablet and reseating it again
[13:48] <pliny> Done that. Also tried it backwards.
[13:50] <hyc1> then yeah, you may need to open it up
[13:50] <pliny> I hate losing the little feet things on the bottom...
[13:50] <hyc1> I've occasionally had the base disappear on boot, looks like the kernel I built has problems initializing the USB driver
[13:51] <hyc1> then it takes a few reboots for it to actually come up correctly
[13:51] <pliny> I see an error on boot enumerating a usb device, just before the AI splash...
[13:51] <hyc1> but I've never had that problem on the stock kernel that AI ships
[13:51] <hyc1> ah, that sounds like what I'm getting
[13:52] <hyc1> is the tablet fully charged yet? if so try booting it alone
[13:52] <hyc1> and then mount on the keyboard after it's all the way up.
[13:52] <pliny> Lemme reboot... Unable to enumerate on port 2.
[13:53] <hyc1> Macer: dunno, haven't looked
[13:53] <pliny> On the theory it might be a power issue, I've plugged the tablet directly in and was going to let it sit for an hour.
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[13:55] <hyc1> compositing?
[14:04] <hyc1> cups is installed
[14:05] <hyc1> just not started by default. it used to be.
[14:05] <hyc1> but that just slows down startup time and most of the time cups isn't needed
[14:07] * Macer remembers when cups used to be a huge pain
[14:10] * andrewgodwin wonders if you could actually put Maemo on it
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[14:15] <hyc> self-popping keyboard? how would it know when you want it to pop up?
[14:15] <hyc> most times in tablet mode you just want a full screen app and no kb
[14:15] <andrewgodwin> hyc: when you focus on a text field
[14:15] <andrewgodwin> maemo has a custom GTK that does that
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[14:16] <hyc> ah, ok
[14:16] <hyc> actually I think maemo could be pretty cool here
[14:16] <andrewgodwin> Macer: also, not well-known fact, mameo scales to bigger resolutions
[14:16] <hyc> and also on my G1
[14:16] <andrewgodwin> yeah, I might try it when I get one
[14:17] <andrewgodwin> i mean on the TB!
[14:17] <andrewgodwin> yeah, it would be v. hard
[14:17] <hyc> I would like to try porting maemo to my G1 and to my TB
[14:17] <hyc> but no time for that just this moment
[14:17] <andrewgodwin> argh, crossed wires!
[14:17] <andrewgodwin> does the TB have any kind of 3D graphics hardware? I forget
[14:18] <hyc> yes
[14:18] <hyc> PowerVR SGX530
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[14:22] <hyc> not so awesome, it's far faster to mencode on some other machine
[14:27] <martinh> hmmm. division by zero in the kernel can't be good. . .
[14:27] <hyc> indeed
[14:29] <martinh> finally got mine today. This will be an interesting time. . .
[14:30] <martinh> so. which will be better for overcoming the initial issues? forum or wiki?
[14:32] <hyc> the wiki should be for answers
[14:32] <hyc> i.e., after you've figured out a resolution
[14:34] <martinh> that's what i'm wondering. how many things have resolutions already.
[14:35] <martinh> like, the slow mouse and the screen blanking.
[14:36] <hyc> you can just use xset to set the mouse acceleration
[14:36] <hyc> that's normal X stuff
[14:37] <martinh> ok. . .can do that for many things then.
[14:38] <martinh> yea. my screen blanked several times already.
[14:39] <martinh> hopefully I don't end up there. :->
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[14:40] <hyc> bummer
[14:41] <hyc> sounds like you trashed the SD card
[14:41] <hyc> toggling power while it's in the middle of writing will do that
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[14:41] <hyc> when the screen blanks, hitting the power button once usually turns it back on
[14:41] <hyc> and sometimes it takes 3 hits on the button
[14:42] <hyc> not necessarily
[14:42] <hyc> it may just be trying to rebuild a filesystem database
[14:44] <martinh> interesting. ctrl-alt-backspace kills off the blanked X without rebooting.
[14:46] <martinh> i wonder if xsetting screen saver off will stop that.
[14:55] <martinh> damn. i gotta go.
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[15:03] <pliny> Anybody know a good replacement glue for the feet on the keyboard?
[15:04] <hyc> rubber cement?
[15:04] <hyc> I just re-used what was there
[15:04] <pliny> There wasn't enough on mine. Waste of effort, actually. everything was fine in the bottom.
[15:07] <pliny> The problem is in the tablet. I think one of my USB hubs is borked...
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[15:13] <pliny> I'm trying to confirm my USB issue. Can somebody point me to where the wifi and bluetooth should be showing up under sys?
[15:14] <Corsac> pliny: did you see the threads on usb suspend problems?
[15:15] <pliny> Way back when. Mine isn't at all.
[15:15] <pliny> er... Mine is working at all
[15:16] <pliny> ugh. You'd think I was using the on-screen keyboard on my desktop.... My USB seems to be completely dead.
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[15:18] <achhu> Hi, I just got my touchbook .. and I am not able to get my wireless connection going!
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[15:20] <achhu> $lsusb returns "Linux Fnd 2.0 hub, Philips hub, AI keyboard, Broadcom bluetooth"
[15:20] <pliny> Wait? lsusb works for people?
[15:20] <hyc> pliny: yes
[15:20] <achhu> shouldnt the wireless usb add on also show up ?
[15:21] <pliny> Not me...
[15:21] <hyc> achhu: yes, it should
[15:21] <achhu> @pliny yes, $sudo -s and then $lsusb
[15:22] <pliny> Just figured that out ;-)
[15:22] <pliny> All I have is the hub. Looks like it's bug 24 for me...
[15:23] <achhu> so, what if it doesnt show up ? Is it a config error ? or is the usb add on missing ? I opened the back cover - I could see three obvious USB slots.. one was occupied. I guess it was the bluetooth?
[15:24] <hyc> acchu: probably. the wifi plug is pretty obvious, it's a bare circuit board plugged into the USB slot
[15:24] <hyc> someone else had their TB delivered without the wifi adapter, maybe that happened to you too
[15:24] <hyc> you'll have to contact their customer support...
[15:24] <pliny> BT is next to the SD card, Wifi is near the top.
[15:28] <achhu> Yes, one USB near SD card is occupied. so, thats the BT. But, I see two empty USB slots on the top .. should the Wifi be in one of them ?
[15:31] <pliny> Yes.
[15:31] <pliny> It;s probably time to email support@alwaysinnovating.com - I just did.
[15:33] <achhu> I am shooting one now ;) thanks for the help anyway!
[15:37] <pliny> Good thing I didn't toss any of the packaging....
[15:39] <achhu> They can mail just the wireless add on.. other stuff seems to be in order. I dont think you would have send you TB back to them to fix this ..
[15:40] <pliny> My problem is probably somewhere in the tablet.
[15:41] <pliny> I just went ahead and packed the whole back up just in case.
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[16:11] <shtylman> dammit... my touchbook is at the post office... soo close...but can't get it till tomorrow...!!
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[16:44] * robclark just got his touchbook :-)
[16:44] * robclark waits patiently for it to charge
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[17:03] <tommd> Yay, its here on my lap
[17:04] <tommd> But the left mouse button is stuck, so I'll have to open it up when I get the time.
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[17:59] <MADgood> got my touchbook!
[17:59] <robclark> any estimates on how long to let it charge?
[18:00] <MADgood> :( i read 9 hours somewhere...
[18:00] <MADgood> so tempting...
[18:00] <robclark> ahh.. ok.. so it will be sometime at 6am :-(
[18:00] <MADgood> yeahhh.... im guessing once the green light goes on it will be good to go
[18:00] <MADgood> *check*
[18:01] <MADgood> *check*
[18:01] <robclark> *check* ;-)
[18:01] <robclark> still amber
[18:01] <MADgood> yeah..
[18:02] <MADgood> I just came on here for confirmation that I needed to charge it before hand
[18:02] <MADgood> although I know i probably should...
[18:02] <MADgood> it didn't actually say to in that little handout
[18:03] <robclark> yeah, I was a bit unsure about that...
[18:03] * robclark is operating on the "better safe than sorry" principle
[18:04] <MADgood> yeahh... me too.
[18:04] <MADgood> I suppose another day on top of 6.5~ months won't hurt
[18:05] <MADgood> of waiting, that is
[18:07] <robclark> yeah
[18:17] <pliny> Don't forget that it needs to be on for the Tablet to charge - http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Charging_batteries
[18:25] <robclark> what is the recommended thing to do w/ a new TB? plug it in and wait for the light to go green and then turn it on? Or plug it in and turn on immediately?
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[18:29] <hyc> I plugged it in for a while
[18:29] <hyc> then turned it on when I re-read that it needed to be on for the tablet to charge
[18:30] <hyc> there was a note in the box that said to charge it for 9 hours first time
[18:30] <robclark> hmm, I didn't get any such note
[18:30] <MADgood> me neither
[18:32] <hyc> possibly things have changed, mebbe they're shipping the batteries with slightly more charge now
[18:32] <MADgood> hmmm maybe so... now I'm not sure what to do, since I need to turn it on in order to charge the tablet >_>
[18:33] <robclark> I've still got amber light, and it's been charging for a few hrs
[18:34] <MADgood> there must be a charge port on the tablet too though...?
[18:34] <MADgood> how else would u charge it if you didn't buy the keyboard
[18:35] <hyc> yes there is
[18:35] <hyc> if you disconnect the tablet you'll see more connectors on the bottom edge
[18:36] <MADgood> Ah, i was thinking i might find it there...
[18:38] <MADgood> shit i accidentally turned it on whil i was tryin got pull it off
[18:39] <MADgood> new plan : charge the tablet for like 4 hours, then use
[18:40] <hyc> heh
[18:40] <hyc> the world isn't going to end...
[18:41] <MADgood> true.
[18:42] <MADgood> pretty fast start up... i was expecting to be tapping my foot waiting for it
[18:44] * robclark turns it on and plays crazy tanks
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[18:44] <hyc> heh. if you figure out the quit command for that, lemme know...
[18:45] <robclark> I was going to ask you the same question ;-)
[18:45] <hyc> I got to play the beta version of that - the accelerometer controls were upside down in that version. it was quite the mindbender.
[18:46] <robclark> well, at least that is fixed now
[18:46] <robclark> but I'm a bit stumped about how to get out of it
[18:47] <robclark> I guess you can say the game is quite addictive
[18:47] <hyc> heh
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[18:48] <robclark> hmm.. how *do* you get out of this.. event ctrl-tab doesn't seem to let it got to the background
[18:53] <robclark> hmm, something I did, either ctrl-alt-delete or pwr button I guess, brought up a million dialogs with restart, task mgr, etc buttons
[18:55] <MADgood> hyc: i'm curious, are you under the impression that there are any other developers aside from Gregoire working on the OS?
[18:55] <hyc> yes, I've seen a couple other names on code
[18:56] <hyc> and of course Angstrom / OpenEmbedded has a pretty big community already
[18:56] <MADgood> right.
[18:56] <MADgood> I figured there had to be other people, but i've never seen them identify themselves on forums or anything
[18:59] <robclark> a lot of ppl using and developing oe (and derivatives).. so it is very much an open src platform
[19:00] <robclark> but I do wonder if gregoire ever sleeps ;-)
[19:00] <hyc> yeah, he's certainly keeping busy
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[19:06] <JoeM> got my TB and its pretty Kool!! :-)
[19:07] <JoeM> except tryin to pry the magnets... hehehe
[19:11] <JoeM> ok.. no one wants to chat...gonna watch top chef
[19:11] <JoeM> take care everyone and good luck!
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[19:12] <MADgood> AH!
[19:12] <MADgood> robclark: The device should be on for 6 to 9 hours to fully charge both batteries. You can still use the Touch Book during this charging time. Just make sure to have the DC jack plugged.
[19:13] <MADgood> Re: Initial Charge by GregoireGentil ?? Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:21 pm
[19:13] <robclark> cool, thx
[19:13] <spvensko> Macer: do you like it yet?
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[19:36] <robclark> ahh, just got email from AI, among other things clarifying the first-charge questions?
[19:36] <robclark> plug in 6-10hrs, turn on
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[19:43] <JoeM> How do I chat with the TB... try'd Java but dont work...
[19:44] <JoeM> mean chat FROM the TB :-)
[19:44] <hyc> chat with? I swear at my computers from time to time but we never just chat
[19:44] <JoeM> Hows it going hyc?
[19:47] <hyc> going ok
[19:47] <hyc> hows the TB doing?
[19:48] <JoeM> Help me out here hyc... I can view the logs but cant input anything... I know its not the TB just me being slow
[19:48] <hyc> view what logs?
[19:49] <JoeM> On the TB I can view the logs but can't write to it..
[19:50] <hyc> again... view WHAT logs?
[19:50] <JoeM> the IRC logs for the TB
[19:50] <hyc> oh, that was obvious, why didn't I just guess that.
[19:50] <hyc> the IRC logs on the web are only that - logs
[19:51] <hyc> they're not the actual chat session
[19:51] <JoeM> I know but how can I become the actual chat session while using the TB
[19:52] <JoeM> I use Java now to chat with you fine people
[19:52] <hyc> run the chat client from the Start menu...
[19:52] <JoeM> from the TB.. checking now
[19:54] <JoeM> hyc: where is the chat client from the start menu? dont see it
[19:58] <JoeM> OK time to go.. overall the TB is prety koool. alittle top heavy but not a problem. take care and god bless!!
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[20:02] <martinh> hrm. . .haven't gotten it to connect to my wep network.
[20:04] <martinh> ok. xset didn't turn off the screen blank.
[20:07] <hyc> not connecting to wep?
[20:07] <hyc> is the networking control panel showing the networks on its scan list?
[20:08] <martinh> yea
[20:08] <martinh> does it want the password or the hex version?
[20:09] <hyc> I think just the password
[20:10] <hyc> I've never really touched the wep code, only wpa
[20:10] <martinh> seems to want the hex version.
[20:10] <martinh> keep in mind, i'm about 20m into having it in my hands. blah. wish I had waay more time.
[20:11] <martinh> and. screen just blanked. but, came back and blanked again.
[20:12] <hyc> just hit the power button a couple times
[20:12] <hyc> it usually comes right back
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[20:13] <martinh> ah. i'll try that. does the X on it obey .Xinitrc?
[20:13] <hyc> dunno
[20:13] <hyc> probably
[20:13] <hyc> whatever xfce4 usually does
[20:14] <martinh> ok. on, WEP, it wants the hex key.
[20:21] <martinh> hrm. doesn't seem to like .Xinitrc wonder what xfce reads.
[20:21] <drantin> .xinitrc is the normal name
[20:21] <drantin> lower-case x
[20:22] <drantin> but it's X that does it, not xfce
[20:22] <drantin> there's an environment variable that could do it too
[20:22] <drantin> can't recall which it is off hand
[20:23] <hyc> regardless, the xinit command is still running under the covers to fire everything off
[20:23] <hyc> and it obviously reads .xinitrc
[20:23] <martinh> hmm. not here.
[20:24] <hyc> that will be a lot of time spent for no reason
[20:24] <hyc> the OS on your machine is the same as the latest release
[20:24] <martinh> neither .Xinitrc or .xinitrc runs without intervention.
[20:25] <hyc> Macer: just wipe the ext3 partition
[20:25] <hyc> that's the last partition on the card
[20:25] <hyc> oh well....
[20:26] <hyc> yes, but it will also take 30 minutes or so
[20:26] <hyc> was it working before your hang?
[20:27] <hyc> try dropping and restarting the interface. ifconfig ra0 down / ifconfig ra0 up
[20:28] <hyc> then try iwlist ra0 scan
[20:28] <hyc> what about the iwlist command
[20:30] <martinh> ok. i'm off to bed. more playing tomorrow.
[20:31] <hyc> iwlist shows you the list of networks but the manager doesn't?
[20:32] <hyc> very strange
[20:33] <hyc> ohh
[20:33] <hyc> did you tether it before?
[20:33] <hyc> ok then probably not related
[20:34] <hyc> I've noticed that after using my G1 wifi tether it won't connect to normal APs any more
[20:34] <hyc> once it connects to an ad hoc network you have to explicitly tell it to go back to managed mode
[20:34] <hyc> dunno
[20:34] <hyc> I guess it has to
[20:34] <hyc> but you only need to wipe the 4th partition
[20:35] <hyc> the rest is read-only anyway, never changed.
[20:35] <hyc> nope. the only read-write space is partition 4.
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[21:17] <pliny> Did anybody else get an email about charging the TB from AI? I'm trying to figure out if they're responding to my support request with a form letter, or if everybody got this?
[21:23] <shiznebit> pliny i got nil
[21:23] <shiznebit> zilch, nada, and dung
[21:23] <pliny> Did your TB ship in this batch?
[21:23] <shiznebit> no
[21:24] <shiznebit> they completely ignored me
[21:24] <shiznebit> when did you preorder
[21:24] <pliny> I'm wondering if everybody in this batch got one, or if they're just overwhelmed. My problem isn't power related and I wanted to check before I mailed them back.
[21:25] <pliny> Oh... you don't want to know.
[21:25] <shiznebit> i do
[21:26] <pliny> Late enough that I probably got bumped due to a willingness to test things.
[21:28] <shiznebit> i did as well
[21:28] <shiznebit> thats nice
[21:28] <pliny> Okay. I just reread the message. It looks like a letter to everyone in this batch explaing charging and where to get help.
[21:29] <pliny> I'm just antsy because I was all excited about getting my TB today, and the darn thing is b0rked.
[21:29] <shiznebit> pliny, im glad you got it
[21:29] <pliny> I just wish I could get it working....
[21:30] <shiznebit> what exactly is the problem
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[21:32] <pliny> USB.
[21:32] <pliny> As in I have none.
[21:32] <robclark_tb> hi from the tb
[21:32] <pliny> All the TB can see is the internal hub.
[21:33] <shiznebit> can it see the host controller ?
[21:33] <shiznebit> robclark_tb, thats smug
[21:33] <pliny> I think that's the hub it's seeing.
[21:34] <robclark_tb> :-)
[21:34] <shiznebit> well 1 month before A9 comes out
[21:36] <shiznebit> okay time to play quake live
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[22:24] <hyc> ok robclark_tb, time to get cracking
[22:24] <hyc> what are you going to investigate first? ;)
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[22:48] * Macer can only pray
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[22:52] <hyc> yeah, it really needs a second media slot that's bootable
[22:53] <hyc> so that you can do OS manipulation natively on the TB instead of needing some other PC
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[23:00] <Corsac> can't you boot from usb?
[23:01] <Corsac> it's not a bios
[23:01] <Corsac> switch off your pc reflex
[23:01] <hyc> lol
[23:01] <hyc> it depends on u-boot
[23:01] <Corsac> no bios, no acpi, no pci
[23:02] <hyc> so far I've booted a few times with my USB flash drive inserted, and it just ignores it.
[23:02] <Corsac> mhm
[23:02] <hyc> only boots from the SD card. probably u-boot is capable of booting off USB storage, but I guess we need some fw_setenv setting to enable it
[23:09] <Corsac> or you could boot using tftp
[23:12] <Corsac> http://www.denx.de/wiki/DULG/Manual
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[23:26] <hyc> yeah, it worked for me no trouble
[23:26] <hyc> but now I use usb tether instead
[23:30] <hyc> using adb
[23:30] <hyc> from the android SDK
[23:31] <hyc> you have to patch adb before it will work, of course
[23:31] <hyc> I posted the instructions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4537323&postcount=14
[23:31] <hyc> lemme know if you want my adb binary
[23:32] <hyc> hang on, lemme try mine again. will retrace the steps
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[23:34] <wooz_> lo
[23:35] <hyc> Macer: same here, have to do it manually with iwconfig
[23:40] <hyc> same here
[23:40] <hyc> but actually my link quality was only 10/100
[23:41] <hyc> that's weird. I did this before and it was no problem at all
[23:44] <hyc> dropbear is installed by default
[23:44] <hyc> yeah, dropbear is both a client and a server
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