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[9:00] <Corsac> alextisserant: btw, another useful usage for the dual screen mode is for sysadmins which have a server in their closet, without attached screen
[9:00] <Corsac> I mean, not dual screen, but the ???input video??? stuff
[9:00] <alextisserant> yep
[9:00] <MMlosh> also: is dualscreen working with direct HDMI input?
[9:00] <alextisserant> you may be one of these sysadmins, maybe? ;-)
[9:02] <alextisserant> Mmlosh: the dual screen adapter has one USB mini and one mini HDMI connector
[9:02] <alextisserant> what would you want to do: input HDMI in the dualscreen, and... ?
[9:03] <MMlosh> no.... dualscreen plugged in TB makes HDMI from USB
[9:03] <MMlosh> and sends that HDMI over the same lines as MID would...
[9:03] <MMlosh> does that mean, that I can use Touchbook's HDMI output as input when there is no MID inside?
[9:04] <alextisserant> you can't use the full HDMI tablet output connector for input
[9:04] <MMlosh> OK...
[9:05] <alextisserant> but I guess that if you can output HDMI from your desired machine, you can plug a USB cable in it?
[9:06] <taruti> can it also work as an external usb-keyboard?
[9:06] <MMlosh> usually yes... I don't need that. I was just curious whether it works or not
[9:09] <alextisserant> taruti: yes you have a USBmini connector on the keyboard, that you can use to make your keyboard a standard usb keyboard on any machine
[9:10] <taruti> nice :)
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[9:17] <andy_> hello i need some help
[9:17] <andy_> my TB (1st gen) won't hold a charge. There is a problem in the keyboard I have identified and already sent email in to AI about (an inductor was dislodged)
[9:18] <alextisserant> andy_: where are you located?
[9:18] <andy_> KS, USA
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[9:18] <andy_> I have another issue though. I think there is something with the top unit
[9:19] <andy_> I plug it into power and I hear what sounds like a very high pitched buzz, like there's a tiny fly trapped in there
[9:20] <andy_> it's pretty quiet, but I've never noticed it before.
[9:20] <alextisserant> did you already send an email to the support?
[9:20] <andy_> about the first issue yes
[9:21] <andy_> Not about the issue with the top piece, I don't know why it is making that noise, there's no fans in here, so i was just going to get some opinions as to what might be the problem
[9:21] <alextisserant> we should repair your keyboard board actually
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[9:22] <taruti> is there any knowledge about the production schedule of the new smartbooks, i.e. if one orders now is it probable to get something for christmas?
[9:22] <andy_> Alex, are you with AI?
[9:22] <alextisserant> andy_: I work for them, yes
[9:23] <Corsac> alextisserant: I guess you'll see my closet one day :)
[9:23] <Corsac> grmbl, meego still doesn't boot with 2010.09a kernel :)
[9:23] <andy_> Cool, yes I do expect them to fix my keyboard. One of the counter weights was loose and i am sure that is what damaged the inductor in the keyboard
[9:24] <alextisserant> taruti: if you order now, you'll get your unit with the upcoming batch, like older orders
[9:24] <tommd> Corsac: Maverick does, but the Ubuntu kernel is needed (well, initrd) for first-boot setup. So sad.
[9:24] <taruti> alextisserant: ok, thanks
[9:24] <andy_> But I should still be able to operate with only the top unit right?
[9:25] <alextisserant> andy_: if you have a charging issue, we may have to fix your top board also
[9:25] <alextisserant> especially if you can hear a small noise
[9:25] <andy_> I was afraid of that. Any idea what the noise might be?
[9:25] <alextisserant> so andy_: please send an email to the support reffering this chat, and ask them for a full exchange
[9:26] <andy_> I can wait until the reply to the first support email. Then I will reference the chat and ask for a full exchange.
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[9:27] <andy_> It'd be nice if they would exchange a loyal early adopter's touch book with a new smart book though ;)
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[9:29] <alextisserant> andy_: you can still ask :)
[9:30] <andy_> :D Thanks for your help alex. I love this little thing. I mostly use it as a remote desktop client to a windows box lately, but it has really been amazing. Would love to continue using it!
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[9:35] <andy_> oh alex, should i send the charger back as well?
[9:36] <alextisserant> andy_: yes
[9:36] <andy_> great. do you know if they will send me the replacement first so that i can reuse the box to ship this unit back in? Or will I need to get my own packaging material and send this in first?
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[9:42] <alextisserant> you should ask them
[9:46] <andy_> will do, thanks
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[12:43] <HicWic> hi
[12:43] <HicWic> i made the trick for the 29M hole for dsplink
[12:43] <HicWic> since my TB does boot
[12:44] <HicWic> black screen with ai logo
[12:44] <HicWic> do i need the boot.scr method to resolv that ?
[12:46] <HicWic> even i place the boot.scr file on the boot partition, nothing append
[12:47] <HicWic> alextisserant : what i m supposed to do ? :)
[12:47] <alextisserant> you mean you are stuck with the AI logo on a black screen?
[12:48] <HicWic> yep
[12:48] <HicWic> before the os choice
[12:48] <HicWic> i think the dsp trick messup my kernel boot parameter
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[12:51] <HicWic> i had placed a boot.scr file on the first partition (i find it on the old 'Booting' page), but it did nothing :p
[12:53] <HicWic> any sugestion ?
[13:00] <HicWic> :'(
[13:05] <HicWic> the line in the wiki is
[13:05] <HicWic> fw_setenv bootcmd "mmc init; fatload mmc 0 0x82000000 uImage; bootm 0x82000000"
[13:05] <HicWic> isn't 0x80200000 ?
[13:08] <HicWic> anyway, i'm stuck
[13:20] <tommd> HicWic: Use the newest kernel / mlo / u-boot.bin. Those don't need the NAND at all.
[13:20] <tommd> HicWic: I broke my NAND config and those saved me.
[13:21] <tommd> HicWic: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2010-09.a/
[13:22] <HicWic> i'll try this, i have kernel and mlo and uboot freshly compiled from sources. I'll try yours
[13:26] <HicWic> nothing change
[13:26] <HicWic> still stuck
[13:30] <tommd> HicWic: Did you copy them over properly? You must rebuild the fs (sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1) and copy over the 'mlo' file FIRST, before any other file.
[13:30] <tommd> mlo must be the first entry in the FAT.
[13:31] <Corsac> (I usually cat it over the previous one)
[13:31] <tommd> If this doesn't fix it then I don't think your NAND is the issue. (And thanks Corsac, that is a valuable suggestion)
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[13:33] <HicWic> ok :p i try
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[13:42] <HicWic> i did as you say
[13:42] <HicWic> but i'm still stuck
[13:43] <HicWic> it occurs just after i did dsplink trick i saw on the wiki
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[13:43] <HicWic> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/DSP_video
[13:45] <alextisserant> are you sure you replaced the u-boot.bin with the new one pointed by tommd?
[13:45] <HicWic> yep
[13:45] <HicWic> sure
[13:45] <alextisserant> and you're still stuck on the white AI logo over a black screen?
[13:45] <HicWic> yep
[13:46] <HicWic> the TB power on , and i got stuck
[13:46] <alextisserant> and you're sure you have the new uImage as well on the first partition (just asking)
[13:47] <HicWic> i took mlo, u-boot and uImage from the DL link that tommd point
[13:47] <HicWic> i had formated the partition (mkfs.vfat)
[13:47] <HicWic> put mlo first
[13:48] <HicWic> and the other files
[13:48] <HicWic> and voila
[13:48] <HicWic> :)
[13:48] <alextisserant> if you get the ai logo, mlo is correctly placed, and you access uboot
[13:48] <HicWic> yep
[13:48] <alextisserant> but kernel doesnt boot
[13:48] <HicWic> i have tryed file by file
[13:48] <HicWic> mlo make white screen
[13:49] <HicWic> uboot make black screen with ai logo
[13:49] <HicWic> but nothing more
[13:49] <tommd> U-Boot should hand off to the uImage
[13:49] <HicWic> 5 minutes before, it has booted
[13:49] <HicWic> but juste after the dsplink tricks
[13:49] <tommd> and uImage should, using hte ai-ui.tgz, provide the multi-boot screen.
[13:50] <HicWic> i have this problem
[13:50] <HicWic> ai-ui.tgz ? not ai-ui.tbz2 ?
[13:51] <tommd> Well, whatever the name is - yes, we are talking about the same file. I didn't lookup the exact name.
[13:51] <HicWic> yes ok, i prefer to see all eventuality
[13:52] <HicWic> i will try to make first partition again
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[13:57] <HicWic> still the same
[13:57] <HicWic> i don't know what to do now
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[14:29] <HicWic> haha
[14:29] <HicWic> i win
[14:29] <HicWic> :)
[14:30] <HicWic> i recompiled u-boot, with a patch modification for ignoring use_nand_env
[14:31] <HicWic> now i could boot and modify the problem
[14:38] <HicWic> but it doesn't explain why dsplink tricks doesn't work
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[15:21] <HicWic> the problem with dsplink
[15:21] <HicWic> is
[15:21] <tommd> It broke your setup and made you send one-word messages to IRC chatrooms?
[15:21] <HicWic> i have a 256mo ram TB, so allocating 354mo cause kernel not to boot
[15:21] <HicWic> no it was for suspense
[15:22] <HicWic> :p
[15:22] <tommd> I take it you are french.
[15:22] <tommd> "mo" - I only just learned that one last week.
[15:23] <tommd> Are there other nationalities that use "mo"?
[15:23] <HicWic> yes, i'm french, sorry, bad english and some french word in the sentence
[15:23] <HicWic> i don't know
[15:24] <HicWic> but french have to change, cause "mo" are not true
[15:24] <HicWic> 1 ko = 1000 o
[15:24] <tommd> no, not a problem. I just found it interesting to see "mo" so soon after my first sighting.
[15:24] <HicWic> but 1 kB = 1024 K
[15:25] <HicWic> i cause many problems
[15:25] <HicWic> it
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[15:39] <Mrkva> hm, is AI site almost unavailable? or my net connection broken?
[15:41] <acks> it's up for me
[15:44] <Mrkva> okay, it works now... sorry, bad connection
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[16:07] <zerby> mmm, still no date, i will decide between touch book and wetab .... in say 3 weeks
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[16:37] <tommd> I find comments like that somewhat funny - the two devices hit rather different use cases imo.
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[19:57] <chester1666> hello
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[20:43] <tommd> alextisserant: the ubuntu.squashfs has the wrong permissions
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[21:23] <alextisserant> yes, thanks
[21:23] <alextisserant> fixed
[21:25] <tommd> thanks!
[21:32] <alextisserant> if you are trying to download the squashfs please use the mirror links
[21:32] <alextisserant> see mirror.txt
[21:33] <alextisserant> (except for ubuntu.squashfs, which is currently being uploaded)
[21:41] <tommd> Is there a changelog from uImage to uImage2? Also, the uImage I downloaded a couple days ago has a different md5 than the one provided.
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[21:47] <alextisserant> uImage2 has initramfs, whereas uImage doesnt
[21:47] <alextisserant> actually uImage is missing in the release folder
[21:47] <alextisserant> will be added tomorrow
[21:47] <alextisserant> you should have both on your first partitiong
[21:47] <alextisserant> (I will explain it on the wiki shortly)
[21:48] <alextisserant> by default, the system will use uImage and boot to AIOS
[21:48] <alextisserant> unless at u-boot (white AI logo on screen) you click on the power button
[21:48] <alextisserant> then the multi-os screen is proposed
[21:50] <alextisserant> but if you want to test things, you can get the uImage2 in the release folder, rename it into uImage
[21:50] <alextisserant> you will then have the multios screen at boot every tume
[21:50] <alextisserant> time
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[22:07] <tommd> I might be worth double checking the md5s of the uImage* files vs the provided md5s
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[22:08] <tommd> I'm getting different values any way
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