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[0:04] <Raedwulf> hi gregoiregentil1 , do you know when the next batch is?
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[5:36] <martinh> awesome. new OS fixes the problems I've been having connecting to work's wifi.
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[5:57] <martinh> yea. having internet here makes life easier.
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[6:49] <tommd> marc252: you/we are still able to building individual packages, just not the entire aios image.
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[6:56] <martinh> hrm. even on the new OS, as soon as I fire up chrome the load skyrockets and the mmcqd starts running constantly and chrome starts sitting in a blocking state.
[6:57] <martinh> esentially making chrom unusable.
[6:57] <martinh> and any other browser, really.
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[7:00] <tommd> martinh: so you're saying it's thrashing?
[7:00] <martinh> yea.
[7:01] <tommd> martinh: 1) how much ram in your TB? 2) What processes does top say are using the most memory?
[7:03] <martinh> I've got the 256M one. and, currently it's 2 chrome processes, at over 100M virt each. but, only 28ishM res.
[7:04] <martinh> it looks like it kinda settled in now.
[7:04] <martinh> What I want to try, is putting a USB stick in and putting /home on that.
[7:05] <martinh> I've got an 8G stick that would be nice. . .
[7:05] <tommd> but that won't help your thrashing
[7:06] <martinh> I'm not yet 100% sure it's pure thrashing. I think there's also disk contention between swap & chrome reading/writing things like cache & config.
[7:07] <martinh> so, if I leave swap on the sd card and move other stuff to a different device it might clear up.
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[7:20] <Meizirkki> _koen_, ping?
[7:21] <Meizirkki> _koen_, I built a kernel using these sources you suggested http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-linux/commits/touchbook
[7:22] <Meizirkki> _koen_, But booting seems to freeze right after "Staring Kernel..."
[7:22] <Meizirkki> _koen_, I added CONFIG_OMAP_LL_DEBUG_UART3=y to .config like suggested here: CONFIG_OMAP_LL_DEBUG_UART3=y
[7:22] <Meizirkki> But it still stops at the same point.
[7:23] <Meizirkki> You had that same kernel working, didn't you ?
[7:23] <Meizirkki> err.. suggested here: http://tiexpressdsp.com/index.php/Kernel_-_Common_Problems_Booting_Linux#Problem_.231_-_No_more_output_is_seen_on_the_console_after_.22Starting_Kernel....22
[7:24] <Meizirkki> _koen_, could you point me to a right direction ?
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[7:24] <Meizirkki> or post me your precompiled kernel image :)
[7:27] <_koen_> Meizirkki: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/linux/linux-omap-psp-2.6.32/omap3-touchbook/defconfig?h=ti/staging
[7:28] <Meizirkki> _koen_, thanks a lot
[7:28] <_koen_> you can get precompiled stuff from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/
[7:29] <Meizirkki> thanks again
[7:42] <tommd> gregoriegentil1: WRT the accelerometer driver, have you seen the debug output when driver debugging is on? Every rotation I get this:
[7:42] <tommd> device: '0:18': device unregistered
[7:42] <tommd> PM: Removing info for No Bus:0:18
[7:42] <tommd> device '0:18': device_create_release
[7:42] <tommd> device '0:18': device_add
[7:42] <tommd> PM: Adding info for No Bus:0:18
[7:43] <tommd> And repeat all that for device 0:19
[7:43] <tommd> Is powermanagement somehow trying to turn off on rotation?
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[7:56] <tommd> ok, so waking up more I realize that was a stupid thought.
[7:57] <Meizirkki> what powermanagement ? :D
[7:57] <acks> coffee++
[7:58] <tommd> Meizirkki: The PM routine is definately called by device_unregister in the 2.6.32 kernel.
[7:58] <Meizirkki> .32 is available ???
[7:58] <Meizirkki> where
[7:58] <tommd> I'm working on fixing the last (known) bug - accelerometer.
[7:58] <tommd> not ready yet!
[7:59] <tommd> ... also my wireless didn't work this boot - I might have forgotten the firmware again.
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[8:11] <Mrkva> ow, come on
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[8:16] <tommd> Come on what?
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[8:21] <Mrkva> console still don't work
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[8:40] <Mrkva> Am I _that_ dumb? :(
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[9:47] <tommd> Too quiet in here - someone say something damn it!
[9:48] <Meizirkki> You just lost THE GAME
[9:49] <Meizirkki> don't ask, once you know the rules you can never stop playing it
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[9:53] <Mrkva> tommd: you've quit before I was able to answer you: 17:25 < Mrkva> console still don't work
[9:55] <Mrkva> but I'll get the latest kernel running!
[9:55] <Mrkva> one day :)
[9:58] <tommd> Ahh, ok.
[9:59] <tommd> Mrkva: By 'running' do you mean you aren't able to test it right now? Or do you mean you'll fix this damn bug?
[9:59] <tommd> If you want I can briefly host my build of the Kernel
[10:00] <Mrkva> well, I can't do almost anything right now - I have no computer with serial port here
[10:00] <tommd> It won't help you much without copying over the /lib/{modules,firmware} directories too, but at least you could boot and do some tests.
[10:00] <Mrkva> tommd: you've got what kernel version, btw?
[10:00] <tommd> 2.6.32 boots but X crashes when you rotate.
[10:00] <Mrkva> hmm
[10:01] <tommd> The accelerometer driver is evidently the last bug blocking GG from using it in an AIOS release.
[10:02] <gregoiregentil1> it's a video problem, not an accelerometer problem
[10:02] <tommd> Note it is probably an issue with the omap SPI driver, which is how the accelerometer is hooked up.
[10:02] <tommd> really?
[10:02] <tommd> How is this a video problem?
[10:02] <tommd> The rotation causes X to crash, but the accelerometer works?
[10:03] <tommd> humm.
[10:04] <mongrelcat> it could be that the event that is sent to X is being handled improperly
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[10:08] <tommd> Well it is a kernel issue (or an issue involving kernel interaction) seeing as 2.6.29 works fine with the same user space.
[10:09] <Mrkva> well, on x86 the most effective approach (if you weren't able to find a bug in a few hours) to sit and wait till someone'll fix it
[10:09] <Mrkva> I guess here it'd be much harder
[10:09] <Mrkva> :)
[10:09] <tommd> Its just fricking annoying that turning on debugging didn't give me more output.
[10:09] <tommd> Only core gave me output - whatever buggy driver it is was silent.
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[10:46] * christoph_debian just got hist touchbook from customs :)
[10:46] <christoph_debian> awesome device :)
[10:46] <tommd> Glad you're happy.
[10:46] <tommd> A debian user? And I mean the OS not the people.
[10:48] <christoph_debian> jep debian user + developer ;)
[10:49] <tommd> Intending to use Debian on the TB then? We could use a Debian team. The Ubuntu distro isn't optimized for Cortex-A8 and AIOS repos are small as heck (no latex, no Coq, GRRR)
[10:50] <tommd> s/AIOS repos/Angstrom repo/
[10:50] <christoph_debian> not sure yet but I'll definitely have a sd card running debian
[10:51] <christoph_debian> shouldn't be too incredibly hard to have a optimised repos
[10:53] <_koen_> christoph_debian: someone is fixing dpkg to understand >1 arch for arm then?
[10:53] <_koen_> (arm le, that is)
[10:53] <christoph_debian> _koen_: well put a partiual one first in sources.list and have it include some minor increased versions
[10:54] <christoph_debian> like +omap1
[10:54] <christoph_debian> just like the emdebian folks do their packages
[10:54] <_koen_> and how do I know that foo_armel.deb is for amv7a instead of armv5te ?
[10:55] <christoph_debian> if you think about something *in* debian it'll get harder
[10:55] <christoph_debian> just having a armv7 overlay somewhere that only includes armv7 binaries would be easy
[10:55] <christoph_debian> + making sure the armv7 are prefered if present
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[10:57] <christoph_debian> you'll probably never need to know if you have armv4te or armv7a
[10:57] <christoph_debian> just only activate the armv7a repos if you have a armv7a box
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[11:15] <tanlaan> Hello everyone
[11:19] <tanlaan> Anyone here with a touchbook, do you personally think it would be worth it to switch from a 1.6ghz 8.9in 4gb ssd 1gb RAM to a touchbook? I really like the form factor and battery life, but would there be a noticable speed decrease? How "zippy" is it running the native OS?
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[11:23] <tommd> The native OS now runs quite smoothly. There would be a notable speed decrease if you do something "excessive" that is outside the intended use (but certainly still doable).
[11:24] <tommd> Examples of "excessive" would include
[11:24] <tommd> numerous high-memory applications (think of the TB more like the IPad or a phone - one application at a time).
[11:24] <tommd> compilation
[11:24] <tommd> world domination
[11:24] <acks> pfff, just run the skynet on another computer with a remote interface on the touchbook
[11:27] <tommd> Yeah, ssh tunnels / remote X sessions go a long way. I'm fairly sure the Brits are managing skynet from their touchbooks.
[11:27] <martinh> skynet is web2.0?
[11:27] <tommd> Who needs "web2.0"?
[11:27] <acks> nah, it's in gtk with a remote database connection
[11:27] <acks> at least, the interface is
[11:27] <martinh> i dunno. I'm just imagining a web page with a big button that says "become self aware"
[11:28] <acks> no, it just thinks it's self aware, i really call all the shots
[11:29] <tommd> That's what God said.
[11:29] <tommd> s/God/she/
[11:30] <acks> yeah, he's^H^H^H^Hshe's not really controlling anything either, it's me all the way
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[12:14] <Mrkva> well
[12:15] <Mrkva> I've got console on the newest kernel using DSS insted of DSS2
[12:16] <Mrkva> so I guess something won't probably work (rotation, I guess?)
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[12:24] <tommd> "newest kernel" being what kernel?
[12:26] <Mrkva> 2.6.34-rc3 (omap-2.6 GIT snapshot)
[12:26] <Mrkva> well, console and kernel panic :)
[12:26] <Mrkva> but I'm getting closer :)
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[12:29] <tommd> Awesome
[12:31] <Mrkva> well, it is still far from working state :)
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[12:41] <Mrkva> hmm, strange... it seems the u-boot ignores boot.scr
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[13:51] <christoph_debian> what's the sudo password for the default ubuntu btw?
[13:54] <tommd> christoph_debian: blank
[13:54] <tommd> sudo -s
[13:54] <tommd> If it asks for a password then you probably have an old image (pre 2010 iirc).
[13:55] <christoph_debian> sudo -s works
[13:55] <christoph_debian> sudo foo doesnt
[14:09] <tommd> yep
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[14:27] <christoph_debian> hm just that I don't do anything stupid, the touchbook should work with ubuntu 10.04 as wekll?
[14:39] <tommd> Unknown
[14:39] <tommd> I don't know of any breakage
[14:40] <tommd> I'd read the forum at alwaysinnovating.com/forums (there's an 'other OS' section where Ubuntu is popular).
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[15:56] <viridior> gregoiregentil: ping
[15:59] <tommd> How is Neuvoo?
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[16:07] <viridior> tommd: coming, i have been hand making images for a while now, trying to automate it so that you can build your own OS by selecting a few options
[16:14] <SlashV> viridior: do you use the git repo as stated on the wiki for building? I have a considerable number of build errors when trying to build, so I was wondering if that is my problem or if the repo is borked/outdated...
[16:16] <viridior> SlashV: one sec, haven't looked in a while
[16:18] <viridior> SlashV: which page on the AI wiki are you refering to?
[16:20] <SlashV> Main page states the location of git repo: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/ and followed instructions on http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/AI_OS_compilation
[16:20] * viridior looks
[16:22] <viridior> SlashV: that guide doesn't apply to me, I am not using OE framework. I am using Gentoo framework. My guide is here: http://neuvoo.org/wiki/index.php?title=Hand-craft_an_Image
[16:23] <viridior> if you dont care to use OE/Angstrom and want more of a Gentoo/LFS system then my guide works. If you want something compatible with Angstrom/AIOS then you should use the AI wiki.
[16:24] <SlashV> OK, thx! Do you compile in all the TI specific stuff your builds?
[16:24] <viridior> somewhat. I haven't spent much time working on kernels lately, for my TBs I am using the AIOS kernel
[16:25] <viridior> for my beagleboards I am using the Angstrom kernels, eventually I will build a common kernel
[16:25] <viridior> or at least kernels that provide similar capability across devices
[16:29] <SlashV> I got my TB in the mail just 5 days ago and I am quite new to linux on systems other than x86, so it's nice to hear what is out there.
[16:32] <viridior> I started just over a year ago because of the openpandora, if you have any questions about embedded linux then I'll try and help. My work is focused on sourced-based installs such as Gentoo.
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[16:38] <SlashV> thx, much appreciated. bedtime now though. nn
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[16:41] <viridior> tommd: coming, i have been hand making images for a while now, trying to automate it so that you can build your own OS by selecting a few options
[16:47] * mjrosenb asks again
[16:47] <mjrosenb> anyone know what the battery life is like with a usb 3g dongle?
[16:49] <mervaka> are they even supported?
[16:50] <mjrosenb> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Faqs#Can_I_get_cellular_access_with_the_Touch_Book.3F
[16:50] <mjrosenb> "maybe"
[16:51] <mjrosenb> I am also curious as to wether the 10 hour life is making active use of bluetooth or not, and if that matters
[16:51] <mervaka> well from what i gather
[16:51] <mervaka> powersave doesnt work yet
[16:52] <mervaka> so you'd need to physically unplug stuff
[16:52] <mjrosenb> oof.
[16:52] <viridior> mjrosenb: im not certain about how much power bluetooth and 3G are going to drain, my major concern about 3G is whether its supported in linux (which is likely why it is maybe)
[16:52] <viridior> some are supposedly, some aren't
[16:52] <mjr> afaik most umts dongles are pretty well supported in general, as after a modeswitch they tend to present themselves as usb ttys
[16:52] <viridior> i would tend to think that compared to the touchscreen their drain is minimal
[16:53] <mjr> mostly the problem is that they tend to present themselves as windows driver cds per default, and thus require a variable magic command to switch modes
[16:53] <mjrosenb> viridior: presumably the modules exist *somewhere* since andriod is based on linux, and android would be pretty useless without 3g
[16:53] <mervaka> well
[16:53] <mjr> but, you know, google for "linux [dongle model]"...
[16:53] <viridior> mjrosenb: yes, but there availability is in question
[16:53] <viridior> err... their
[16:53] <mervaka> ubuntu has a "mobile broadband" tab
[16:53] <mervaka> in network settings
[16:54] <mervaka> so it's around somewhere in linux world at very least
[16:54] <mjr> ('course, expect 3g dongles to be a moderate drain on the battery, moreso than bt at least :] )
[16:54] <tommd> lots of support is in the upstream kernel (sa y thanks GregKH)
[16:54] <mjrosenb> and ndiswrapper is a horrible hack that should not work on the touchbook
[16:55] <mervaka> tbh
[16:55] <mervaka> would it be better to tether a phone, which has its own supply?
[16:56] <mjrosenb> this is assuming that i get a phone that has 3g access and is tetherable
[16:57] <mjrosenb> presumably tether over bt
[16:59] <mervaka> usb?
[16:59] <mervaka> though that might be asking a bit much :P
[16:59] <mjr> bt would almost certainly drain the tb less
[17:00] <mjrosenb> more cables does not sound like fun.
[17:00] <mjr> though you might just be stuck with a drained phone and no connection then ;P
[17:01] <mervaka> well i just ordered an HTC Desire
[17:01] <mervaka> 400mins talk time
[17:01] <mervaka> should be interesting :P
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[20:53] <cobyrne> so...what paackages do i need to compile source on the touchbook ("sh: make not found")?
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[20:54] <cobyrne> (sorry if that's a dumb question, i looked around but couldnt find the answer)
[20:56] <cobyrne> oops. apparently installing make fixes that particular problem...
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