#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-04-10

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[5:36] <SlashV> Hum, audio line in connector just came loose from the board. Solderdering isles with it. Would like to glue it back and reconnect it with wires. Anybody know where the wires should go to?
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[6:03] <Maeslin> gregoire, would you have the value of inductor L1 on the keyboard/touchpad PCB? Mine got torn off.
[6:04] <leinir> gregoiregentil1: ping - what should i be doing about that ballooned battery?
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[7:56] <Mrkva> woooohoooooO!
[7:56] <Mrkva> minimal gentoo booting!
[7:58] <Martix> nice!
[7:59] <Martix> stage3?
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[8:02] <Mrkva> Martix: not entirely :) more minimalistic (kernel, busybox and some more packages)
[8:03] <Martix> Neuvoo?
[8:04] <Mrkva> no, pure Gentoo
[8:04] <Martix> did you heard about http://neuvoo.org ?
[8:04] <Mrkva> heard, of course
[8:05] <Mrkva> but installing a gentoo chroot and cross-compiler inside was not too difficult
[8:07] <Mrkva> the only downside is that there are some package that can't be cross-compiled (eg. perl interpreter)
[8:40] <marc252> hello, I'm trying to boot my TB but nothing happens, I've tested many things and the only weird thing is that screen battery is discharged but I'm trying to boot with the power adapter connected. Does it really need the battery to boot?
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[9:19] <gregoiregentil1> marc252: yes
[9:29] <Meizirkki> My touchbook boots fine w/ bootom battery only
[9:32] <viridior> Mrkva: grats, so you are using gentoo in a chroot env under AIOS?
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[9:35] <Meizirkki> viridior, <Mrkva> minimal gentoo booting!
[9:35] <viridior> Mizirkki: grats, standalone or chroot?
[9:36] <viridior> err... sorry, misread
[9:37] <Mrkva> viridior: no - It'll be my main system... one day :D
[9:37] <viridior> Mrkva: you patched together a busybox based system?
[9:38] <Mrkva> viridior: I've got only busybox running atm. (now cross-compilling packages)
[9:38] <Mrkva> viridior: by the way, AIOS is also busybox based
[9:38] <viridior> i have some working perl and python binaries if you want to use them, most everything else will xcompile
[9:39] <Mrkva> I'll try by myself at first :) but thanks
[9:39] <viridior> Mrkva: i know, there are some utility inconsitancies which can affect high-level programs, one of the reasons why Neuvoo is sticking with glibc and util-linux
[9:40] <Mrkva> viridior: well, I've emerged busybox to make sure that the kernel is OK :)
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[9:40] <Mrkva> viridior: not sure if i stick with busybox
[9:40] <viridior> busybox is a good program and is very easy to xcompile
[9:41] <viridior> our first images were busybox based, good for embedded systems
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[9:45] <Mrkva> the only problem I've found so far is that the python automatically pulls python-updater which automatically pulls portage
[9:45] <Mrkva> and I really don't want portage on my touchbook
[9:47] <viridior> Neuvoo workaround is squashfs images of the portage tree, reduced portage from ~650MB to 45MB (generated daily), ill be editing the script to remove Changelogs which should give me a couple MBs back... http://neuvoo.org/neuvoo/snapshots/portage/
[9:48] <viridior> really nice and saves io nodes
[9:48] <viridior> if you are using the default touchbook kernel then it already has squashfs and aufs support
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[10:31] <Meizirkki> I just compiled a kernel using these sources (by koen afaik) http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-linux/commits/touchbook
[10:32] <Meizirkki> But, right after uboot says "Starting kernel ..." the device seems freezes to the Uboot logo screen. Any ideas ?
[10:33] <Meizirkki> Does it try to create AUFS like AI kernel ?
[10:33] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: I've had the same problem
[10:33] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: I've been able to localize it as a problem in (probably) I2C drivers
[10:33] <Mrkva> note that I've been using vanilla kernel (from kernel.org)
[10:34] <Meizirkki> Koen was showing off screencaps.. of his kernel w/ cpufreq..
[10:34] <Mrkva> Meizirkki: try these sources: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=summary
[10:34] <Mrkva> they works for me
[10:34] <Meizirkki> Mrkva, ok thanks, what kind of parition table do you have btw?
[10:35] <Mrkva> 50MB boot, rest reiserfs
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[11:17] <Zopper> Are there any problems with fileserver with AI OS snapshots? I can download from it only about less then 50-100 kbps (lot of hours for ai-os.squashfs download)
[11:17] <Zopper> My net-connection is OK, from other fileservers I can download much bigger speed
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[11:19] <Mrkva> Zopper: jojo, jsou trochu pomalejsi... a nejen ty... GITem na to nevyzrajes
[11:19] <Mrkva> oops
[11:19] <Mrkva> :)
[11:20] <Mrkva> Zopper: they're slow (not only the fileservers, but also a GIT repositories)
[11:20] <Martix> Mrkva: hehe
[11:21] <Martix> git clone takes coule of hours
[11:21] <Martix> *couple
[11:22] <Zopper> :(
[11:23] <Zopper> When I am trying download it, it crash after few hours... And telling me, that file is downloaded, but it isn't (downloaded for example 200 MB from 600)
[11:23] <Zopper> maybe wget can download it fully?
[11:24] <Mrkva> Zopper: I'd try wget -c
[11:24] <Martix> wget -c for c(ontinue)
[11:24] <Mrkva> it usually helps
[11:24] <Mrkva> but AI should !definetely! do something with their server's bandwidth
[11:25] <Zopper> *think too*
[11:26] <Aard> come on, children in africa would be happy to have the bandwidth ai currently has :p
[11:26] <Zopper> but I am NOT children and I am NOT in africa
[11:26] <Zopper> :D
[11:28] <Zopper> "children in africa would be happy for this meal...." I think, everybody remember these words :D
[11:28] <Aard> I guess they've been used in every country (except maybe africa)
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[11:30] <Zopper> In africa, they are maybe using "in india" :D
[11:30] <Aard> or `in other parts of africa'
[11:31] <Zopper> or "in next village"?
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[12:45] <Martix> Zopper: I mirrored ai-os.squashfs here: http://downloads.openmoko.cz/
[12:48] <Zopper> Martix: Thanks :)
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[12:52] <Martix> gregoiregentil1: please, could you provide digests (md5sums) for http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2010-03.a/ ?
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[12:53] <gregoiregentil1> yes. will do
[13:02] <Maeslin> ah gregoire, would you have the value for inductor L1 on the keyboard/touchpad PCB? Mine got smashed to pieces so I can't read it.
[13:02] <gregoiregentil1> done
[13:02] <gregoiregentil1> 4.7uH
[13:03] <gregoiregentil1> but I would say that any value between 2 and 5uH should be fine
[13:06] <leinir> gregoiregentil1: sorry for pestering you, but what would you like me to do about a ballooned battery?
[13:06] <Mrkva> funny - with any "typical brand" it'll end with "buy a new board
[13:08] <Mrkva> I really like this "open hardware" thing :)
[13:09] <leinir> *nodnods* :
[13:09] <leinir> :)
[13:10] <leinir> i mean, replacing the battery's all easy and stuff, but i need to /get/ a new battery to be able to do that ;)
[13:10] <leinir> And yeah, same with the any of the more... nasty bits that break ;)
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[13:38] <Maeslin> gregoire: thanks! Oh, there is a small problem with the wiki. It won't accept uploading zip files while the upload page says it does. Who should I mention that to?
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[14:54] <gregoiregentil1> Maeslin: Alexandre
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[15:06] <Maeslin> will do
[15:08] <Maeslin> Alexandre == alexandre _at_ alwaysinnovating _dot_ com ?
[15:08] <leinir> gregoiregentil1: should i be mailing him as well about my battery? :)
[15:09] <gregoiregentil1> yes
[15:09] <leinir> Right, thanks :)
[15:15] <Mrkva> by the way.. the battery is Li-ion or Li-pol?
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[15:46] <SlashV> When I try to load a module in ubuntu, I get a message that modules.dep is not found. Is this a known issue? or is it not possible to load modules that aren't loaded by default?
[15:48] <Mrkva> SlashV: try running sudo depmod -a
[15:48] <Mrkva> resp. depmod -ae
[15:51] <SlashV> Mrkva: ty
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[16:08] <SlashV> Oh wow, I've got a tethered phone now :)
[16:27] <Maeslin> heh, trying to go full open-source for circuit design
[16:27] <Maeslin> KiCAD shows promise ^^
[16:30] <Mrkva> Maeslin: yep, looks fine by my amateur eye
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[16:38] <Maeslin> i'll have to see with the plugins if it can import schematics from other programs
[16:38] <Maeslin> would make my life a lot simpler
[16:49] <Mrkva> by the way... you need the tablet powered on to charge? or you need also running kernel?
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[17:13] <Maeslin> just powered on I think
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[17:21] <Mrkva> thanks
[17:24] <tommd> gregoiregentil1: Is there a current .32 kernel (uImage) I could test or should I bb it from source?
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[17:26] <tommd> gregoiregentil1: Also, is there a wiki of current issues to focus on (wrt the kernel)
[17:27] <gregoiregentil1> tommd: yes and no
[17:27] <gregoiregentil1> Better to git clone
[17:27] <gregoiregentil1> and do bitbake linux-omap-psp
[17:28] <tommd> gregoiregentil1: Doing so now.
[17:29] <tommd> I'll install AIOS on a spare SD I've got. That will be more agreeable, which will result in me doing more testing.
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[21:28] <tommd> guile-native is suddenly failing to build - did something change?
[21:28] <tommd> install: cannot stat `libguile/__scm.h': No such file or directory
[21:29] <tommd> humm, something bad must have happened when I ran out of space. I'm cleaning and rebuilding
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