#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-04-08

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[6:30] <Meizirkki> I have been trying to get my own kernel running. It built ok, but when trying to boot, screen just goes off after the uboot screen, any ideas what I'm doing wrong ?
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[6:39] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: well, I was even unable to compile it (stuck when compiling ehci support)
[6:39] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: are you able to set up a serial console?
[6:40] <Meizirkki> Sure, i'll do it.
[6:40] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: maybe you'll see something helpful.. because this can be caused by almost anything
[6:41] <Meizirkki> I'm using Stskeeps's beagle branch with Nokia SGX lib support, hoping to get all i want: Nokia SGX libs, Powermanagement and overclocking
[6:44] <adnyxo> morning
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[6:44] <Meizirkki> morning adnyxo
[6:45] <Mrkva|w> afternoon :))
[6:45] <adnyxo> heh
[6:45] <adnyxo> whats up?
[6:47] <Meizirkki> not much, trying to get my kernel to boot
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[7:04] <rhkfin> What's the the default AI OS based on, what desktop is it running? Looks like KDE but I see some XFCE-apps around
[7:04] <Aard> openembedded, xfce
[7:05] <_koen_> Aard: you mean "angstrom", not "opembedded"
[7:05] <DJWillis> rhkfin: it's a fork of mainline Angstrom using Xfce 4.4.
[7:05] <rhkfin> Ok, great, thanks
[7:05] <DJWillis> Oh, late as usual ;-)
[7:05] <DJWillis> hey _koen_
[7:06] <_koen_> hey DJWillis
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[7:41] <Meizirkki> Hmm, the kernel was compressed for some reason, Uncompressed version seems to work better.
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[7:46] <Martix> Meizirkki: hi
[7:46] <Martix> Meizirkki: do you know, when will be http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/0.16testing6/mer-armel-smartq5-rootfs-v0.16testing6.tar.gz accessible?
[7:55] <Meizirkki> testing6 ?
[7:55] <Martix> yes
[7:55] <Meizirkki> The final version is already out
[7:56] <Meizirkki> or do you want exactly the testing6 version ?
[7:56] <Martix> nope :-)
[7:57] <Meizirkki> Martix, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.16
[7:57] <Martix> thanks
[7:57] <Meizirkki> you're welcome, imagelinks are in the bottom
[7:57] <Meizirkki> of the page
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[8:06] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: how better?
[8:06] <Meizirkki> Mrkva|w, uboot seems to load it now
[8:07] <Meizirkki> Mrkva|w, but i don't have a rootfs in place yet :P
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[8:08] <Meizirkki> so the result is screen with random colors
[8:08] <Meizirkki> though, shouldn't something show up ?
[8:08] <Mrkva|w> Well, I've resigned on gentoo... I really don't want to spend a week compiling :D
[8:08] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: yes, it should
[8:08] <Mrkva|w> I guess
[8:09] <Meizirkki> hmm
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[8:12] <Meizirkki> it... it boots
[8:12] <Meizirkki> O_o
[8:12] <Meizirkki> The first kernel I have every compiled that actually WORKS !
[8:13] <Meizirkki> I like this feeling :)
[8:13] <Meizirkki> ever*
[8:14] <Meizirkki> hmm. Touchscreen calibration badly off near the edges..
[8:15] <Meizirkki> gah, no usb..
[8:17] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: you'll probably have to recompile kernel few times :) to make sure you've included all required hardware :)
[8:17] <Mrkva|w> btw, what version?
[8:17] <Meizirkki> 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 I'm not sure :P
[8:17] <Meizirkki> should be 2.6.28
[8:18] <Meizirkki> as that's what nokia SGX works on
[8:20] <Martix> Meizirkki: you have Nokia SGX working on TB?
[8:21] <Meizirkki> not yet
[8:21] <Meizirkki> working on it
[8:22] <Martix> me too
[8:22] <Martix> need OpenGL ES accelerated Qt for http://maemo.org/packages/view/stellarium/
[8:22] <Meizirkki> Does it require Nokia's SGX libs ?
[8:23] <Martix> yes
[8:23] <Meizirkki> btw I have no programming/hacking skills really, if i ever get this to work all credit goes to Stskeeps :)
[8:23] <Martix> Opengles-sgx-img-common
[8:23] <Meizirkki> Martix, couldn't you just use the SGX libs from AI instead ?
[8:23] <Meizirkki> I bet it would work
[8:24] <Martix> maybe, just started
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[8:59] <Mrkva|w> well, mine biggest problem is that I've lost key to my linux drive somewhere so I'm forced to use windows right now :(
[9:00] <Mrkva|w> compilling system just sucks under windows :D
[9:03] <Meizirkki> well, I'm compiling all on TB atm :P
[9:03] <Meizirkki> Tried QEmu, but it took 14 hours to build a kernel...
[9:05] <Mrkva|w> yep, I've also tried compiling virtualized
[9:05] <Martix> what about crosscompiling in OpenEmbedded?
[9:06] <Mrkva|w> I really don't want to create cross-compiling environment for windows 7 (x64) -> Linux (ARM)
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[9:13] <Meizirkki> OE dev environment is kinda weird.. am i _really_ supposed to download EVERYTHING in the GIT to compile a single app ?
[9:15] <martinh> very large chunks of it are most likely required to compile a single app.
[9:15] <martinh> every library it links to.
[9:15] <martinh> and every library those libraries link to.
[9:18] <Meizirkki> martinh, I wanted to download the kernel patches at AI GIT. Now there is no way to download _only_ the kernel part of it so instead of cloning the whole repository on my computer i ended up downloading all the patches via webbrowser..
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[9:19] <Mrkva|w> by the way... there's a red text starting with "DON'T" on the back side of the LCD
[9:19] <Mrkva|w> anyone knows what's forbidden? :)
[9:19] <Meizirkki> TOUCH :)
[9:20] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: what?
[9:20] <Mrkva|w> the LCD?
[9:21] <Meizirkki> It says Don't Touch
[9:21] <Mrkva|w> hm, mayve something ESD sensitive?
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[9:47] <_koen_> Meizirkki: I guess you haven't see http://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-linux/commits/touchbook yet?
[9:47] <Meizirkki> nop, thanks a lot _koen_
[9:47] <Meizirkki> Though, i
[9:48] <Meizirkki> 'll stay with Stskeeps's branch for nokias SGX libs
[9:48] <Meizirkki> for now
[9:48] <Mrkva|w> hooray! I've fond an old Pentium MMX with serial port!
[9:49] <_koen_> the stock TI sgx libs work great with that kernel
[9:49] <Mrkva|w> lets do some fun :)
[9:50] <Meizirkki> _koen_, Does the latest SGX SDK have texture from pixmap extension ?
[9:51] * Meizirkki would love to swap to better kernelsources
[9:51] <Mrkva|w> Meizirkki: Vanilla ones? 2.6.33 should have basic TB support
[9:52] <Mrkva|w> well.. I've not seen accelerometer in config, but I guess the AI patches should be applicable with minimum tweaking
[9:52] <_koen_> that angstrom gitorious tree is an attempt at cleaning up the AI patches
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[9:53] <Meizirkki> _koen_, Does it have omap powersaving btw ?
[9:54] <Meizirkki> I mean if i enable it in defconfig will it work ?
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[10:17] <_koen_> it has cpufreq and cpuidle, yes
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[10:18] <Meizirkki> _koen_, thanks
[10:20] <_koen_> Meizirkki: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1eb11a833115dcf8130902d8c9a5bca3.png
[10:21] <Meizirkki> great
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[12:16] <DrIDK> is it possible to follow command status ?
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[12:27] <Mrkva|w> DrIDK: what?
[12:29] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: command status .. I mean what about my purchase ? In queue lists? sended ? etc....
[12:29] <drantin> order status
[12:29] <Mrkva|w> DrIDK: order status?
[12:30] <Mrkva|w> DrIDK: have you received mail your order have been shipped?
[12:30] <DrIDK> yes, order status.. sorry I miss my translation
[12:30] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: yes
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[12:30] <Mrkva|w> DrIDK: so you've got tracking number?
[12:31] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: yes
[12:31] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: I don't know where to look
[12:31] <Mrkva|w> http://www.usps.com/shipping/trackandconfirm.htm?from=home_header&page=trackandconfirm
[12:31] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: ah, thx
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[12:38] <Mrkva|w> DrIDK: found it?
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[12:39] <DrIDK> Mrkva|w: yep... My my command was not send
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[13:14] <max_posedon> hi! Does somebody know, which orders processing now? I would like to know, how much mine (Feb 5th, 2010) far from delivery
[13:17] <Maeslin> if anyone is interested, just finished the design and layout for a PCB-mounted real-time-clock solution
[13:17] <Maeslin> 1" by 1.2"
[13:21] <adnyxo> awesome, got any pics?
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[13:30] <Maeslin> gerber files?
[13:30] <Maeslin> or I could get a screenshot
[13:30] <Maeslin> still haven't had the board fabbed yet
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[13:31] <Maeslin> I'm tempted to get 10-20 made through BatchPCB
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[13:40] <tommd1> Fabbed? What did you use to draw out the schematic?
[13:41] <Maeslin> I have Altium Designer at work
[13:41] <Maeslin> just used it a bit off-hours
[13:42] <Maeslin> at home I use circuitmaker/traxmaker for simple stuff but it's pretty limited and the part catalog is worthless
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[13:43] <marc252> hello
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[13:45] <marc252> hi I'm trying to compile myself the ai distribution using openembedded but it fails miserably because it can't download certain packages, like ai-ebook_1.0.bb, does anybody now about this?
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[13:51] <Maeslin> no idea marc, sorry
[13:56] <Aard> marc252: remove the line ai-ebook from conf/distro/include/ai.conf and build again
[13:57] <Aard> a few things are not (yet) opensource, including ai-ebook, and therefore won't build
[13:57] <marc252> it's trying to download from http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/clutter/trunk/toys/odo@3607 but I checked and the project doesn't seem to be there any more
[13:57] <marc252> ok
[13:57] <Aard> as ai-ebook is just a nice techdemo it's not important anyways
[13:57] <marc252> ok, do you have a list of other packages that should be removed?
[13:58] <Aard> no, sorry, I merged in the interesting ai-changes with a more recent openembedded tree
[13:59] <Aard> I know the clutter problem, though, but didn't care as I don't need the components using clutter. best bet would be asking gregoire to upload the clutter sources he uses
[14:00] <marc252> ok, maybe clutter is only used in ai-ebook, I'll try to rebuild now
[14:00] <Aard> I think it's used in other stuff as well
[14:01] <marc252> then maybe an update from openembedded would also be cool
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[14:08] <Maeslin> those DS1307s are more expensive than I expected :-/
[14:09] <Aard> what did you expect?
[14:09] <Maeslin> if I go for a 25-boards batch, I could sell each one for $6 without the 1307 or $9 with
[14:09] <Maeslin> I thought such an old and common part would be in the $1-$2 range by now
[14:10] <Maeslin> granted it's not as common or as simple as a 555 by a long shot, but still
[14:11] <Aard> I think you should be able to find sources in that pricerange, especially when taking more than one
[14:11] <Maeslin> yeah that's what I'm looking into
[14:12] <Maeslin> most of the price cuts for that part really kick in at about 100 parts
[14:12] <Aard> there are cheaper i2c rtcs, but they usually require more external components and/or draw more power (ds1307 draws next to nothing)
[14:13] <Maeslin> hm... power consumption of the 1338 vs the 1307 should be pretty close no?
[14:14] <Aard> read the datasheet ;)
[14:16] <Aard> but (without me looking up its features), might be a suitable replacement as it's being handled by the same kernel driver
[14:17] <Aard> and therefore is supported with the stock kernel from 2010-03.b (or should be, unless he reverted something. didn't check it out so far)
[14:17] <Aard> oh, one catch, the i2c bus address might be different, if so it would require an updated board file
[14:18] <Maeslin> heh, about 1/5 the active power consumption but 2.5x the battery drain
[14:19] <Mrkva|w> well
[14:20] <Mrkva|w> I just don't understand why have a button cell battery at all
[14:21] <Aard> you don't have to. the way I did it, trying to make it as easy as possible to rebuild, it was easier just adding the cell instead of getting power from the main battery
[14:21] <Mrkva|w> wait a sec - I??m going to check if I've reminded the correct HDD pass
[14:21] <Aard> plus, this way, if you change your main battery, or unhook it for some reasen, the rtc will still hold the correct time
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[14:22] <Maeslin> unhook or drain it beyond what the system can work with
[14:23] <Aard> yeah, the drain is another issue too, since we've already seen a few batteries ballooning after being completely drained
[14:23] <Aard> (though the rtc won't contribute that much to draining...)
[14:23] <Maeslin> interesting choice... putting the design online and letting everyone who wants one build their board themselves or make a batch of them and try to sell them at breakeven+1
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[14:25] * Aard prefers the `design online' approach
[14:25] <Maeslin> same here, less hassle with shipping, mailing, etc.
[14:25] <Mrkva> hoooooray! once again in a usable operating system
[14:25] <Mrkva> one bottle of beer and everything works much better :)
[14:26] <Maeslin> online it is! you guys prefer the gerber files on the wiki and/or the pattern already uploaded free-to-use at batchpcb?
[14:26] <Aard> I'm not that unhappy with other people designing the pcbs, but I'd most likely do a free design myself if someone started pcbs without giving away the design
[14:27] <Maeslin> true
[14:27] <Aard> I'd go for as much openness as possible, and therefore'd update the raw data of the program you're using as well as a finished layout
[14:28] <Maeslin> i'd have to redo it on an open format, altium designer uses proprietary files for its pcb layouts
[14:28] <Maeslin> exports plain old gerber / ncdrill files, fortunately
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[14:29] <Aard> in that case just upload the gerber files, no need to make extra effort
[14:29] <Maeslin> can't forget the BOM either since the layout depends on the external connector and battery holder used
[14:30] <Aard> I just don't like withholding information others might find useful in open projects like this -- like it would be the case if you were using something like eagle
[14:30] <Maeslin> same here
[14:30] <Maeslin> wait I thought Eagle was open?
[14:31] <Aard> that's why I used it as example
[14:31] <Mrkva> Maeslin: eaglecad is closed source :)
[14:31] <Mrkva> Maeslin: well, with freeware version :)
[14:31] <Maeslin> ah true
[14:31] <Aard> Mrkva: closed source, but free, therefore it's quite common to upload the eagle specific files as well
[14:32] * Aard is using eagle es well, don't see the point in paying lot's of money for just a hobby
[14:32] <Mrkva> Aard: the only disadvantage is they don't provide ARM linux binaries
[14:32] <Mrkva> :)
[14:32] <Mrkva> by the way, any tesla coiler here?
[14:33] <Maeslin> I have to admit I rather like some of the features of altium, but it is far beyond anything I could afford
[14:33] <Maeslin> good thing it's provided at work
[14:33] <Aard> Mrkva: well, there haven't been been arm-boards around where you actually do something useful with eagle before the beagleboard came up, so -- maybe we just have to wait a bit longer
[14:35] <Mrkva> wow
[14:35] <Mrkva> Altium designer is 10kUSD!?
[14:36] <Mrkva> I can buy a new car for that! :D
[14:37] <Aard> I can buy a camera for that :)
[14:37] <Maeslin> yeah :p
[14:37] <Mrkva> Aard: camera for 10k?
[14:38] <Aard> 7ksomething
[14:39] <Maeslin> well altium does fancy stuff like RF analysis, signal timing match, 3D visualisation and conflict checks, etc.
[14:39] <Maeslin> While I don't use many of those features, others are almost essential. :p
[14:40] <Mrkva> well, I usually design PCB with paper, pencil and rubber :)
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[14:59] <Maeslin> hm, uploading zip file to the wiki and putting the file up on batchpcb if anyone wants a quick production
[15:06] <Maeslin> well that makes no sense
[15:06] <Maeslin> "
[15:06] <Maeslin> Permitted file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, zip.
[15:06] <Maeslin> "Files of the MIME type "application/zip" are not allowed to be uploaded.
[15:06] <Maeslin> Retrieved from "http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Upload"
[15:07] <Maeslin> bit of a split personality
[15:08] <Aard> why on earth are you trying to upload a zip? you should use zip
[15:09] <Maeslin> zip?
[15:09] <Maeslin> 7zip?
[15:09] <Maeslin> or gzip?
[15:10] <Aard> ;
[15:10] <Aard> :p
[15:10] <Mrkva> plain zip
[15:10] <Mrkva> :)
[15:18] <Maeslin> :p
[15:19] <drantin> xz ftw
[15:21] <Maeslin> just found a small design error, will reupload tomorrow
[15:22] <Maeslin> well, not a design error as much as an output error
[15:22] <Maeslin> had the outline merged with all the layers so it's seen as a trace everywhere <_<
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[16:01] <nipuL_> are there download mirrors anywhere? I'm only getting 64KB/s from the main website.
[16:01] <nipuL_> make that 10
[16:27] <Maeslin> nipuL >> don't know of any, was thinking of putting a torrent up when i'd finish the download
[16:28] <Maeslin> except i've had to restart it three times over the last 4 days and at 10kB/s it's not that encouraging
[16:44] <Maeslin> not TB related at all, but this is just way too impressive
[16:44] <Maeslin> http://technicbricks.blogspot.com/2010/03/tbs-techtips-31-sequential-gearbox-7r.html
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[17:16] <Mrkva> What the...
[17:16] <Mrkva> I'm configuring 2.6.34-rc3 kernel right now
[17:16] <Mrkva> and just thinking what means this: Support for TWL4030 Vibrator
[17:19] <Maeslin> . . .
[17:20] <Maeslin> it's a headset
[17:20] * Maeslin just checked
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[17:22] <Mrkva> :)
[17:25] <Maeslin> disappointed? :p
[17:27] <Mrkva> not really :)
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[18:06] <viridior> Mrkva: for embedded gentoo setup, you can get away will not installing a toolchain and other utilities and effectively just go with a busybox base system with X.org, but unless you are using your own binrepo you will be severly limited
[18:09] <Mrkva> viridior: I can always compile packages remotely :)
[18:09] <Mrkva> but you're right, not a good idea :)
[18:09] <viridior> well, you could use our binrepo for Neuvoo, should be seamless, you will have to use our USE flags however :P
[18:11] <viridior> edit /etc/portage/ to meet your package requirements and then use /etc/make.conf to point to our repo... EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="-G" and PORTBIN_DIR="http://neuvoo.org/neuvoo/portage/armv7a/<ver>/
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[18:15] <Mrkva> viridior: thanks.. but I'll check your USE flags at first :)
[18:16] <viridior> there is a portage command for that to, can't remember it atm
[18:17] <Mrkva> viridior: I can find it, no problem :)
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[21:30] <dpb> 03.a is out?
[21:32] <drantin> kinda-sorta not-really... it existsk, but the symlink to /latest/ isn't set
[21:32] <drantin> you can still download it though
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