#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-04-07

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[2:04] <nipuL_> wpa2? got my touchbook today and i can't connect to wpa2 on it
[2:05] <nipuL_> which is ok at home, but not at work which uses wpa2-enterprise
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[5:30] <matejcik> i managed to dislodge the OTG USB-mini port
[5:31] <matejcik> and it makes removing the board a whole lot easier .e))
[5:32] <matejcik> anyway. does anyone know what "ai-os-dev.squashfs" is good for?
[5:35] <Meizirkki> I was going to guess they had made separate images for normal users without devtools and a dev image with all the devtools but the dev image seems to be _smaller_
[5:37] <matejcik> ah, Meizirkki
[5:37] <matejcik> could you by any chance publish that e-based image of yours? :e)
[5:37] <Meizirkki> It's in the Ubuntu thread
[5:37] <Meizirkki> at forums
[5:38] * matejcik goes off to find it
[5:38] <Meizirkki> http://alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=181
[5:40] <matejcik> thanks
[5:41] <matejcik> i'm now downloading the os 10.3a at whopping 10kB/s, so i hope i will get this sooner than that
[5:43] <Meizirkki> Depends on the mirror
[5:43] <Meizirkki> torrent or gitorious should be fast
[5:45] <matejcik> torrent runs at 250kB, which is very OK :e)
[5:46] <matejcik> (but just one seed and no leeches except for me ... hmm)
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[9:44] <adnyxo> Meizirkki, what is this? http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Modifications#5442604907273649778
[9:44] <adnyxo> looks interesting
[9:44] <Meizirkki> It's an old pic
[9:44] <adnyxo> what modifications were you making?
[9:44] <Meizirkki> I had both batteries connected to the top-battery circuit
[9:45] <Meizirkki> Now i have both on the bottom battery connectors
[9:45] <adnyxo> what does that accomplish
[9:46] <drantin> battery meter!
[9:46] <Meizirkki> Top-battery is being charged by the bottom batteyr management instead of the buggy top-battery management => Better batterylife
[9:46] <adnyxo> ah
[9:47] <Meizirkki> It runs now over 12 hours wifi connected
[9:48] <adnyxo> just the tablet?!?
[9:48] <adnyxo> or both
[9:48] <Meizirkki> both, the big one is inside the casing
[9:48] <adnyxo> can you still separate the parts
[9:48] <Meizirkki> I don't use the bottom part
[9:49] <Meizirkki> at all
[9:49] <Meizirkki> I took the battery and have it inside the do-it-yourself casing you see in the modpic
[9:49] <adnyxo> so you put both batteries in modified tablet casing
[9:50] <Meizirkki> yup
[9:50] <Meizirkki> and connected to the bottom battery connectors
[9:50] <Meizirkki> http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Modifications#5449973991485211570
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[9:51] <FIN__Master> Has anyone already downloaded the newest image? And could upload it somewhere? I could make a torrent again..
[9:52] <Meizirkki> Once there's kernel with proper power management i might consider taking the big battery off my setup
[9:53] <remy> Hello,
[9:53] <Meizirkki> Hi remy
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[9:53] <remy> Meizirkki> Do you know the exact model this batteries ?
[9:54] <remy> I have note received my TB yet
[9:54] <Meizirkki> nop
[9:54] <remy> but I am interested in a specific case like yours
[9:55] <Meizirkki> er, sorry my english.. what do you mean by exact model ?
[9:55] <remy> but i don't know where can i buy thin batteries like this ?
[9:56] <Meizirkki> I don't know, those shipped with Touch Book are enough for me :)
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[9:58] <remy> I look for a TB with huge lifetime... so I want to replace or duplicate existing ones
[9:58] <remy> but i don't know where can i buy thin batteries :?(
[9:59] <Meizirkki> I just want a proper power management.. Nokia N900 with almost the same chip runs for 6hours connected with 4.5W battery. TouchBook batteries are over 75W..
[10:00] <Meizirkki> IMO we don't need more battery, just more optimization
[10:00] <drantin> how much consumption difference is there in the screens?
[10:01] <Meizirkki> btw N900 stays on idle for a week with that 4.5W, TouchBook stays on only 26 hours with 75W
[10:01] <Meizirkki> TouchBook's screen takes max 2W on full brightness, so there is a big difference
[10:02] <Meizirkki> but 10 hours of my TouchBooks 12 hour record was screen off really..
[10:02] <remy> Is there something written on your batteries ?
[10:03] <Meizirkki> remy, yes, but can't see them
[10:03] <Meizirkki> the big one is deep inside the casing and top-battery is upsidedown on it's place
[10:04] <remy> OK
[10:05] <Meizirkki> I think there was someone else interested in the origin of the batteries but AFAIK he found out nothing
[10:05] <Meizirkki> Maybe they are made by the same company Openpandora's batteries are ?
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[10:08] <remy> Nobody else have an information about the origin of the TB batteries (because, I do not want to wait months for the TB and month for extra batteries ...)
[10:08] <remy> All informations are welcome ! :-)
[10:09] <tommd> remy: was that a question?
[10:09] <peksha> Meizirkki: hi, how I see, you have join both batteries into one cable (parallel) into down conector?
[10:10] <Meizirkki> Yup
[10:10] <Meizirkki> as shown in the pics
[10:10] <remy> tommd> I look for a TB with huge lifetime... so I want to replace or duplicate existing ones
[10:10] <remy> but i don't know where can i buy thin batteries :?(
[10:11] <tommd> remy: they are 4.2 volt batteries - just google arounf for thin cell lithium batteries... or make a DC-DC conveter and use some higher voltage battery.
[10:14] <remy> I have not found high capacity THIN batteries ... The same than the existing ones would be great
[10:15] <remy> But if I don't find I will use a bigger one :-/
[10:19] <peksha> I think someLi-Pol batteries are thin with big capacity
[10:19] <peksha> but it needs special charger
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[11:30] <merp> Greetings. Been a few months since I have been on here. Received the replacement battery some time ago. However, now on power up, all I get is the LEDS on the tablet lighting up red (under the circuit board), and blinking. Is there a troubleshoot page somewhere that can tell me what is wrong now? Thanks.
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[11:30] <merp> no lightup of the LCD screen at all.
[11:31] <Meizirkki> Is the LCD connector ok ?
[11:31] <Meizirkki> merp, you can contact the help desk
[11:32] <merp> as far as I know. It has been a couple months sitting around before trying with new battery.
[11:32] <merp> it was working before. visual inspection it appears fine and connected.
[11:32] <merp> help desk had verified bad battery, and so had waited until had that received and charged.
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[12:14] <FIN__Master> Whats up with AI website. Everyone is downloading the new os so the whole site is sloooooooooooow
[12:15] <FIN__Master> ?
[12:15] <FIN__Master> Id suggest they bought themselves a broadband instead of a 56kbps modem..
[12:16] <Meizirkki> haha
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[12:30] <torpor> hiya!
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[12:30] <adnyxo> hey
[12:30] <tommd> I'm rather happy with the newest AIOS - it misses the big ticket items but is nice otherwise.
[12:32] <adnyxo> whats the big ticket? battery?
[12:33] <torpor> i havne't been able to download it yet but i'm trying!
[12:34] <adnyxo> that seems to be a universal problem
[12:34] <adnyxo> at this point, how long does it take for the touchbook to ship?
[12:34] <drantin> my connection is horribly slow anyway...
[12:34] <adnyxo> still 2 month
[12:34] <adnyxo> s
[12:36] <adnyxo> ?
[12:36] <torpor> how do i tell what version of the aios i am running .. lsb_release -ds doesn't seem to work as its not included
[12:37] <adnyxo> idk
[12:37] <adnyxo> i think i read somewhere that settings-about touchbook
[12:37] <adnyxo> would tell you iirc
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[12:38] <torpor> ah that works thanks
[12:39] <torpor> tommd: do you still get buffer underruns on sound with the latest version
[12:39] <torpor> ?
[12:39] <torpor> like this
[12:39] <torpor> ALSA lib pcm.c:7234:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured
[12:40] <tommd> There is a known-issue with the sound on the wiki... can't recall what it said. Testing now.
[12:41] <torpor> i'm using my new touchbook right now, its a lot more useable with 512megs of ram and the upgrade went pretty smoothly
[12:41] <torpor> its a lot more useful to me now anywayy
[12:41] <torpor> but i hvhe to solve this sound issue.. its terribly annoying.
[12:41] <tommd> Yeah, I like the 512MB version
[12:41] <drantin> torpor: cat /etc/ai.version
[12:41] <torpor> ah thanks drantin, good to know ..
[12:42] <torpor> my new upgrade board came with an SD .. i think its the new version but i have to reboot to find out and .. well .. having too much fun with this session already . ;)
[12:42] <tommd> I'm not seeing such sound issues.
[12:43] <torpor> hmm.. i should upgrade then.
[12:44] <torpor> mouse is a bit jittery right now .. i wonder if that changes in the new update?
[12:44] <torpor> ALSA lib pcm.c:7234:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured
[12:45] <torpor> [30254.094055] Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush posted write for irq 56
[12:45] <torpor> wonder what that is all about?
[12:49] <torpor> okay gonna reboot with the new os and see if its better.
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[13:02] <torpor> well this seems a lot faster!
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[13:09] <torpor> anyonen awake here?
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[13:09] <torpor> i've booted on my new 2010.3a os disk but i want to transfer my home dir from my old SD card .. where is this located? all i see on it when i mount it is lost+found, grr,,, anyone remember where the unionfs is stored or whatever its called? i'll search the forums but i cant remember what to search for
[13:10] <Aard> no
[13:10] <Aard> do a ls -a, the directories are hidden
[13:10] <MikeEvans> nods - but it's no good asking me about new versions for the tb - I've just returned from travels and mine is running the January OS it came with
[13:10] <Aard> there's some directory .overlay-aisomething containing your data
[13:10] <MikeEvans> The TB was a pretty good travel companion btw
[13:13] <torpor> MikeEvans: good to hear.
[13:15] <torpor> thanks. thats it .. got my old home tree, gonna copy it over now and settle on 2010.3a as my new OS
[13:15] <MikeEvans> yup - picked up wireless networks pretty much everywhere - could do with the antenna being more sensitive - which is a problem with the internal USB plugin - but I'll bet a soldering iron could fix that. Was able to back up my camera onto it, which was comforting
[13:16] <MikeEvans> only slight issues was I let the battery run right down in Bangkok and since then it has been showing 0% even when fully charged
[13:16] <torpor> i have to admit that i'm a bit spoiled with my acer aspire one as a travelling companion, but i'm growing to like the touchscreen factor, plus long battery times.
[13:16] <Aard> I'm currently traveling with both notebook and touchbook. I still see the touchbook as a nice toy for hardware and software development
[13:17] <Aard> (and with only touchbook I wouldn't be here right now, as the hotel only offers internet via ethernet cable)
[13:17] <MikeEvans> it's the long battery life that was the real winner for me - not having to be near a power socket in an airport etc
[13:17] <martinh> it's easy enough to get usb ethernet adaptors.
[13:17] <MikeEvans> ah yes Aard - I found that in one place - although they had wifi in the lobby, but they wanted some mad price for it
[13:18] <Aard> thinkpad x60 with 2 large batteries is quite usable, too. quite small, not that heavy, and currently does about 5-6 hours per battery
[13:19] <Aard> well, I was pleasantly surprised that they offer free internet. that's rare enough...
[13:19] <torpor> i've got big batteries for my aspire one .. regularrly get 7 hours of usage out of one set of batteries, and i carry two
[13:19] <MikeEvans> Bankkok airport was a swizz too: supposedly free wifi everywhere but the signal is poor and then you had to pay for anything over 15 mins
[13:20] <torpor> and with the touchbook i'm a bit nerrvous about doing something productive on it in case it suddenly dies due to poor/no battery charge management
[13:20] <Aard> MikeEvans: prepare for such occations -- and set up an endpoint to be able to tunnel ip over dns-queries. they're usually allowed. though you don't get much speed out of this, and the latency sucks
[13:21] <MikeEvans> but then down by the gate I'm pre-composing some email to send when I get the other end and voila! an unsecured wifi network with full external access - courtesy of I'm not sure who :)
[13:21] <torpor> anyone here got a touchbook?
[13:22] <torpor> oops wrong window. ;)
[13:22] <drantin> heh
[13:22] <MikeEvans> heh
[13:22] <drantin> i do!
[13:22] <torpor> meant that for #openpandora
[13:22] * MikeEvans waits for the chorus of metoos
[13:23] <MikeEvans> I've done a bit of work on mine - most of the programs save work regularly anyway even if you forget
[13:24] <torpor> i should save more regularly than i do that is for sure, but as a programmer i often forget. ;)
[13:24] <MikeEvans> the main obstacle to serious work is the small keyboard size
[13:24] <MikeEvans> typing speed is seriously impared
[13:24] <Aard> I've currently got no programs for serious work on mine. need to update the emacs recipe first, currently 22.something is installed, but I'm using quite a few 23.something features
[13:25] <Aard> and I need to build texlive
[13:25] <torpor> i'm finding that i'm sort of getting used to the keyboard, but for sure its not as comfortable as my aspire one
[13:25] <MikeEvans> I'm not a programmer any more (hoorah) I retired <bounce n=3/>
[13:26] <drantin> how's retirement?
[13:26] <MikeEvans> fabulous - though I confess my brain is already starting to twitch a bit with nothing to do
[13:26] <drantin> MikeEvans: if you have problems on the touch book keyboard, don't attempt to use the XO-1's ...
[13:28] <MikeEvans> I think I'll have to brush up my c/c++ skills and join some open source project to stop myself going mad
[13:29] <max_posedon> [touchbook:order] hi! I would like to ask, does orders placed Feb 3 was processed already?
[13:29] <torpor> heh, the olpc keyboard is utter rubbish for typing.
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[13:29] <torpor> MikeEvans: you could get the tbWakeBreaker sources if you want to make a game on your touchbook
[13:29] <torpor> it builds quite easily on the touchbook itself once you install the dev tools.
[13:30] <MikeEvans> a game? Nooo! I don't do games
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[13:31] <MikeEvans> although I might try one as an exercise. I've volunteered to give a talk to the local LUG on object oriented programming techniques and a game would make a good example
[13:31] <torpor> wakebreaker is a pretty good example of how to do a game in c++
[13:31] <torpor> you should check it out - i put the details on the alwaysinnovating wiki
[13:32] <MikeEvans> ok - I'll find it when the current round of house renovation takes a pause
[13:32] <MikeEvans> I have a couple of weeks interfacing with a hammer to do first
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