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[2:32] <DJWillis> tommd: darrent: the Angstrom Narcissus build represents mainline Angstrom and not the Angstrom fork that is AIOS, it's as simple as that, AIOS is built using Angstrom anyway (think 'powered by Angstrom') but with a sellection of custom metadata that is not in mainline Angstrom.
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[5:44] <mammique> http://www.gizmodo.fr/2010/02/09/giztest-touch-book-d%E2%80%99always-innovating-partie-i.html
[5:45] <leinir> Eep! It's all French and stuff!
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[5:49] <_koen_> ah, french
[5:50] <_koen_> I though they just ROT13'ed it
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[6:14] <masonium> hm
[6:14] <masonium> hello
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[6:28] <darrent> @DJWillis, thanks for a comprehensive answer. :-)
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[6:33] <darrent> are there plans to move the AI patches backypstream to Angstrom so that they gradually converge again?
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[6:33] <darrent> back "up stream"
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[6:34] <_koen_> I think the current "plan" is to have the community do that
[6:34] <darrent> Oh... and is that you??? ;-)
[6:35] <_koen_> it's you
[6:35] * _koen_ is corporate slave
[6:35] <darrent> Pfff...I can barely compile working code, let alone merge patches... LOL
[6:36] <darrent> which "corprate" and you in thrall to?
[6:38] <_koen_> TI
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[6:39] <darrent> Ahhh... makes sense... I now understand my Gregore seems to refer to you for advice...
[6:40] <darrent> All this time, I thought you were just a 'genius'... ;-)
[6:45] <darrent> Is TI pushing thier patches "up stream" to the mainline? Will a "bog standard" kernel eventually support TI's ARM hardware???
[6:48] <_koen_> eventually
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[7:08] <darrent> cool... thanks...
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[9:55] <ArchGT> has anyone here tryed openbsd on the touchbook?
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[10:00] <ArchGT> ok no, so how the touchbook behaves? does it play 720p video?
[10:01] <ArchGT> how much tha battery lasts on "regular" use
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[10:02] <torpor> i had mine on for 10 hours today, from 7 to 3'ish..
[10:02] <torpor> or and then again until 6
[10:03] <ArchGT> torpor: nice, thx
[10:03] <torpor> it works well
[10:03] <torpor> at least, better. but i think there is a lot of room for improvement
[10:03] <ArchGT> ok
[10:03] <ArchGT> torpor: in what areas?
[10:03] <torpor> as more hackers come to touchbook, there will be advances in the OS, as its all quite open and functional.
[10:03] <torpor> CPU sleep modes and device management, are the two things getting in the way of proper power control.
[10:04] <torpor> there has to be a bit of a broader strategy to solve the problems of a device that has real power management requirements
[10:04] <ArchGT> hmm
[10:04] <torpor> we could get 10 - 12 hours of good solid use if we just taught the apps to tell linux what to turn on/off according to need, rather than having to devise methods of detection and so on.
[10:04] <leinir> i personally put my hope in Mer...
[10:04] <lbt> :)
[10:04] <torpor> it'll get sorted, its a big thing for aios/angstrom/etc.
[10:05] <torpor> i think the time of putting 'hope' in an OS are over.. the TB can be treated like a playstation.
[10:05] <torpor> boot whatever is on your SD card. ;)
[10:05] <ArchGT> torpor: that would be awesome
[10:06] <torpor> i can imagine a custom kernel+rootfs image *specifically and only* for the touchbook will be dejour soon enough
[10:06] <torpor> i.e. you want my app, buy my SD, it comes with everything needed to run your tb in "torpor app mode", etc.
[10:07] <ArchGT> torpor: well that's very customized
[10:07] <ArchGT> what about ram, is 512MB enough?
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[10:11] <torpor> sure
[10:11] <torpor> 256 is sufficient, 512meg will be really tight
[10:11] <torpor> you don't *need* a lot of RAM, you need better-running apps+OS, for ARM.
[10:11] <torpor> my beagleboard flies, its a sweet experience.
[10:12] <torpor> tb just, does too, mostly .. i can drive it hard easy though (big compiles)
[10:12] <ArchGT> torpor: nice, right now i'd like to testdrive one
[10:13] <torpor> right, well, when i first got one i felt .. it was a bit cheap .. but as i have used it a lot more, its comfortable. i'm still a bit unsatisfied at the plastic type, but ok. and i'm getting into the keyboard a bit.
[10:13] <torpor> its nice to have OS updates
[10:14] <ArchGT> torpor: and the screen is responsive?
[10:15] <ArchGT> sorry to ask that much but on the third world you need to make your money count
[10:29] <tommd> The screen is responsive... but the software doesn't always respond to the screen ;-)
[10:30] <tommd> It seems some tweaks are still needed - XJournal lags a little when I draw for example.
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[10:31] <ArchGT> X-D
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[11:00] <torpor> there is a lot of lag in the TBOS as a result of poor settling
[11:01] <leinir> settling?
[11:06] <torpor> yeah like the OS is on SD-card and there is a settling ratio between RAM-CPU(caches)-SD/NAND that hasn't quite been tuned yet
[11:11] <leinir> Right :)
[11:11] * leinir still has no idea what settling means, but does understand tuning ;)
[11:18] <mervaka> wouldnt that depend on the SD class too?
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[11:56] <martinh> it comes with a class 6
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[13:02] <azaghal> Heheh, Touchbook arrived at uncle's place - American plug...
[13:06] <Corsac> \o/
[13:08] <azaghal> Corsac: I won't be seeing the thing in at least 2-3 more months, though :)
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[13:11] <Corsac> ewrf
[13:11] <woglinde> hms
[13:11] <woglinde> I need to update gpsd and navit in oe
[13:13] <woglinde> and installing software is so slow
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[13:14] <woglinde> hoi djwillis
[13:16] <azaghal> So, what's the current uptime with full battery nowadays
[13:16] <azaghal> *?
[13:16] <woglinde> hm
[13:16] <DJWillis> Hi woglinde, in the TB chan these days are you ;-)
[13:16] <woglinde> random crashes
[13:17] <woglinde> djwillis yeah we got one at company
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[13:58] <woglinde> hm gpsd with navilock and navit now runs on the touchbook
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