#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-30

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[0:01] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, services and channel states have now been migrated over to the new production network. We're migrating utility bots/pseudoservers as we speak and we're nearly ready for users. Users connected to calvino, crichton, kubrick, leguin and verne may wish to make sure they are re-connecting to chat.freenode.net as these servers will not be immediately linked on newnet as they are pending upgrades first. Thank you!
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[0:30] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, The migration is complete! newnet is up and running and you may now manually connect to irc.freenode.net, ports stay the same, however SSL listens on ports 7000 and 7070 if you wish to connect via SSL. We'll be taking down hyperion servers momentarily and we shall see you on the other side! Thank you!
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[0:48] -christel- [Global Notice] The migration is complete and went smoothly, thank you for your patience while we transferred state from hyperion to seven, thank you to seven and charybdis developers for making ircd-seven happen and than you to freenodes infrastructure team for all getting dug in! Website FAQ is updated, as is our blog. You may wish to familiarise yourself with changes. Thanks!
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[8:13] -christel- [Global Notice] We'll be restarting services quickly in a moment to make ChanServ leave your channels now that the usercount is up and channels are once again populated by 'real users'. Apologies for the inconvenience, and thank you for your patience throughout the migration!
[12:52] -kloeri- [Global Notice] Hi all. As part of the migration to ircd-seven channel mode +R was replaced by channel mode +q $~a. Channel operators can use /mode ##channel -q $~a to let unidentified people talk again. Feel free to jump into #freenode if you should have any questions about this. Thank you for using freenode.
[14:55] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, Some of you (irssi users in particular) have had some problems regarding our SSL certificate. There's some instructions/information over at http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml Thanks to Bazerka and tomaw for investigating the issue and figuring it out!
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[15:27] * Topic is 'This is the Always Innovating Touch Book chat room! Current release is 2010-01.b. You can find out more at the official website, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com, and on the wiki at http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki.'
[15:27] * Set by gregoiregentil on Wed Jan 27 16:51:02 PST 2010
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[15:35] -Martinp23- Hi folks! A few moments ago that we suffered a rather large split. This was because a minor core code update to fix default channel mode settings did not go smoothly on a subset of servers, causing them to restart. We've made procedure changes so as not to let it happen again and we deeply apologise and thank you for using freenode! If you have any problems, as ever, #freenode is open to help.
[15:36] <The_Acer> how long is the waiting line, to order one of these?
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[16:10] <darrent> @The_Acer When you go to the ordering page, it currently says 2 months. If you need one in a hurry, there are some posted for re-sale here: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=539
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[16:35] <Sn0wman_Desk> hey gregoiregentil: I've been having a problem with my battery every since 2010-01.a, I leave it on and plugged in for a couple of days at a time and then it lasts for about 15 minutes...
[16:37] <zelrikriando> Salut Gregoire!
[16:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> ?
[16:40] <Sn0wman_Desk> anyone gotten the android to work properly in any way?
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[16:50] <srbaker> heya folks
[16:50] <srbaker> anyone know how long te current backlog is for orders?
[16:50] <srbaker> and do they ship to canada?
[16:52] <tommd> srbaker: Est: 2 months and yes
[16:52] <tommd> Salut, Ca'va?
[16:53] <srbaker> excellent.
[16:53] <srbaker> as soon as we land in our new house next month i'm ordering one
[16:53] <srbaker> thanks
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[16:55] -Martinp23- Hi everyone. We've disabled the +S chanmode for the time being. Normally, +S blocks users from joining a channel if they aren't connecting with SSL. If you still see +S in your channel's modelist, it will have *no effect*. For the now, you will be unable to add or remove this mode. We'll have a more permanent resolution asap. We're sorry for the inconvenience caused by our earlier technical difficulties.
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[17:18] <zelrikriando> tommd: salut
[17:19] <tommd> zelrikriando: Salut! How are things? Ordered yet?
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[17:27] <zelrikriando> tommd: not yet
[17:27] <zelrikriando> tommd: I told you I have time
[17:27] <tommd> yes, you did.
[17:27] <zelrikriando> besides I ll move out within the next few months
[17:52] <tommd> Move to where?
[18:00] <Sn0wman_Desk> is the contest for getting android all the way working still open?
[18:04] <zelrikriando> tommd: to my new place, with a new job
[18:04] <zelrikriando> tommd: and once I get settled I ll buy stuff
[18:05] <tommd> yeah, yeah. Canada. I'm just tired tonight (new born baby in the house :-) )
[18:05] <tommd> So I guess I'm a little forgetful.
[18:06] <zelrikriando> :)
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[18:49] <Guest79300> hrm, anyone able to break into uboot via the serial port?
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[18:54] <geist> hmm, anyone able to break into uboot via serial
[18:54] <geist> ?
[18:54] <geist> doesn't seem to catch any input
[18:54] <geist> if not, where does uboot store it's env? it's not in the nand flash is it?
[19:04] <craigevil> is the ram upgradeable?
[19:06] <Josh-Harris> craigevil: No.
[19:06] <geist> ah, got it. fw_setenv
[19:07] <craigevil> Josh-Harris: thanks, no biggie my desktop only has 512, along with a tiny via 1.4 cpu
[19:34] <gregoiregentil> geist: you should read /usr/bin/ai/reset/reset-nand.sh
[19:35] <Sn0wman_Desk> anyone actively working on android?
[19:35] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/ai/postprocess/usr/bin/ai/reset/reset-nand.sh
[19:35] <gregoiregentil> the u-boot env are on the NAND
[19:36] <gregoiregentil> Sn0wman_Desk: Me! but I have been slow on this front. but it's getting higher and higher on the todo list as I have crossed other items
[19:36] <gregoiregentil> you are welcome to help
[19:36] <Sn0wman_Desk> Well i'm trying to build a 2.1 image right now and familiarize myself with it. So i'm trying
[19:36] <gregoiregentil> geist: you probably want to do fw_setenv bootdelay 1
[19:36] <gregoiregentil> The most promising project is probably rowboat
[19:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> yah 0xLab wasn't exactly top-teir
[19:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> tier*
[19:37] <gregoiregentil> at least, the kernel supports Android (which took me a very long time to do)
[19:37] <gregoiregentil> http://code.google.com/p/rowboat/
[19:37] <gregoiregentil> craigevil: no. it's soldered on top of the OMAP chip
[19:38] <craigevil> gregoiregentil: thanks, 512 is more than enough, its all i have on my desktop running debian sid with lxde
[19:39] <gregoiregentil> yup.
[19:40] <geist> yeah, did
[19:40] <geist> finally got the uart soldered and working right
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[19:40] <geist> took me a while. i'm terrible with a soldering iron
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> Cool!
[19:41] <geist> so as far as i can tell the only use of the nand flash is to store uboot?
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> Sn0wman_Desk: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/commit/?id=532c35faeb21010c84cde2890f26672b34e5f593
[19:41] <geist> and i guess x-loader
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> geist: correct
[19:41] <geist> er i mean uboot environment even, uboot seems to be sitting in the fat partition
[19:41] <geist> or is that a copy?
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> in the fat partition
[19:41] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: hehe good to see :-)
[19:41] <gregoiregentil> only env in nand
[19:42] <geist> wow, yeah almost a complete waste of a nand flash :)
[19:42] <gregoiregentil> I intend to use it for a small/restore image later
[19:42] <tommd> I was looking at getting L4 on the TB but noticed all the ARM L4 implementations are for ARMv4 or ARMv5
[19:43] <gregoiregentil> the main squashfs is already 700MB ;-)
[19:45] <geist> oh hey, so how are the usb ports routed? I guess the host ports on the top of the board are run through a hub and hit the ehci controller. what about the 2 device ports on the bottom?
[19:45] <geist> are they both seperate device controllers? is one of them OTG by any chance?
[19:46] <geist> if so, is it using the phy on the twl4030?
[19:50] <gregoiregentil> yes. the USB mini is OTG to TWL4030
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> geist: the external USB mini I mean
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> geist: Perhaps you want to help on this one: http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> You can read that too: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/USB_OTG_gadget
[19:52] <geist> kk, thanks
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> Probably something similar that you want to do - I guess
[19:53] <geist> well, just want to know which controller it is and all that. our designs only ever wire up one of them
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[20:03] <gregoiregentil> Gregoire is dancing on the table!!! F@#$%#@%@ bug 94 is fixed. http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=94
[20:04] <gregoiregentil> As usual, one-line patch... Xfce developers really need to read the GTK doc
[20:04] <craigevil> nice by the time my touchbook gets here you will have all the bugs worked out :), just ordered one a few minutes ago
[20:04] <gregoiregentil> Hopefully!
[20:05] <craigevil> just curious why xfce and not something lighter like lxde
[20:05] <gregoiregentil> xfce is quite light and still has a lot of features
[20:06] <gregoiregentil> No choice of desktop environment is perfect. You need to pick one, and stick with it.
[20:06] <craigevil> yes it does have features than lxde
[20:06] <craigevil> more
[20:07] <Gary|tp> Xfce is great, no arguing! :)
[20:07] <craigevil> i was a big kde fan until kde4 came out then i switched to lxde, it flies, at boot im only using 48mb of ram
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[20:09] <craigevil> Gary|tp: thats on my desktop running Debian unstable, just ordered a TouchBook
[20:10] <Sn0wman_Desk> anyone else have problems with the TB not charging?
[20:11] <Gary|tp> craigevil, I figured, I don't own a TB either, just fascinated by the project and wish I could afford one :).
[20:11] <Gary|tp> 150mb used on fresh reboot, using Xfce/Arch.
[20:11] <Gary|tp> (but my boot time is only 10 seconds!)
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[20:14] <craigevil> Gary|tp: hehe got me beat, my boot time is right at 25 seconds, i could probably get faster on a clean install, been running this install since feb 2004 with daily dist-upgrades, cant wait to get a TouchBook it blows my eee 701 away
[20:14] <Gary|tp> My boot time was >2 minutes under Ubuntu... switched to Arch, spent a few hours configuring everything and compiling an optimized kernel
[20:14] <Gary|tp> and bam, 10s boots.
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[22:23] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: what is the hard part of getting android working? getting the rootfs to work with the AI kernel?
[22:23] <gregoiregentil> getting the AI kernel to support android
[22:23] <gregoiregentil> this part is now done
[22:23] <gregoiregentil> so I guess that it's a question fo fine tuning the rootfs of Android
[22:23] <Sn0wman_Desk> what do you mean "support android"?
[22:24] <gregoiregentil> Android is one of the worst project ever designed. The android rootfs needs some specific kernel patches!
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[22:24] <Sn0wman_Desk> what is the AI kernel based on? or did you design it yourself?
[22:25] <gregoiregentil> based on OE
[22:26] <darrent> It's based on "open Enbedded", look up Angstrom for the nearest kin Linux distrobution.
[22:26] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh duh... hehe I forgot
[22:26] <Sn0wman_Desk> so the difficult part of all of this is getting one kernel to operate 3-4 different OS's
[22:27] <darrent> No, the hardest part is convincing my partner I need to buy or IT based toys.. ;-)
[22:27] <darrent> or => more
[22:28] <Sn0wman_Desk> ...
[22:28] <Sn0wman_Desk> but a serious answer please...
[22:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: so it is an OE cross-compiled linux kernel?
[22:30] <gregoiregentil> Correct
[22:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> alright
[22:30] <darrent> It depends on the OS, some have very particular requirements (even their own kernels), some can "share" some core components.
[22:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> I'm sorry I'm not much help with the project... I'm just trying to get my bearings and understand how this stuff works so that I can help in what little ways I can
[22:31] <darrent> There are some very unique OS's being ported that have no Linux associations (eg RISCOS).
[22:31] <darrent> Any helpd is good help. I'm not a coder either...
[22:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> Where they develop their self-developed kernels?
[22:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> haha, well all I've done is change a few lines on a wiki and help make the scroll bar bigger
[22:33] <darrent> Some have thier own "histories" with other hardware that they came from.
[22:34] <Sn0wman_Desk> how do you go about fixing the problems? finding the problematic code in the kernel or programs and then changing and bitbaking?
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