#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-28

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[0:01] <bandwidthcrunch> I didnt know that koen. I was thinking its in mainline because it was a generic none hardcoded one. Guess will have to relook into the whole driver now
[0:03] <_koen_> at least one of the drivers had stuff hardcoded, I'm not sure if it's the bq27200 one, or the other
[0:03] <_koen_> but trusting sysfs isn't a good idea at this point
[0:07] <bandwidthcrunch> Ok i will have to rethink on that . gpm had this options of listening to power key events and presenting shutdown/suspend dialog. Any clue how its being handled without gpm on the touchbook ?
[0:08] <_koen_> iirc the keys are handled with halevt
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[0:11] <bandwidthcrunch> oh yeah !! Thanks koen , will try to see if i can get the bq27200 driver to behave. Will keep us informed
[0:22] <AlanBell> hi all
[0:22] <AlanBell> will it run compiz?
[0:22] <AlanBell> on ubuntu
[0:26] <tommd> It better not. Damned compiz
[0:26] <tommd> Probably could if someone optimized compiz specifically for the OMAP (using the dsp).
[0:38] <Corsac> dsp?
[0:39] <Corsac> not sure the dsp is what you want
[0:40] <Corsac> _koen_: on AIOS the shutdown/suspend dialog is brought by xfce4-session
[0:40] <Corsac> s/aios/ubuntu/, sorry
[0:40] <Corsac> it listen to input events
[0:40] <Corsac> (iirc)
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[0:58] <AlanBell> this commit looks interesting http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.ubuntu/commit/?id=bb1939ecde4afe1efd627fdd5daeb3fc93476434
[0:58] <AlanBell> adds the pvrsrvkm.ko module, which seems to be something to do with 3d graphics
[0:59] <AlanBell> does glxgears work at the moment, just to prove some kind of 3d?
[1:02] <Corsac> no idea
[1:03] <Corsac> but I'm not sure compiz would work anyway, you don't have opengl there, you have gles which might not be fully compatible with the stuff you're used too
[1:03] <Corsac> AlanBell: but at least GL works fine on AIOS since 3d tank use it
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[2:58] <defre> Hi
[3:22] <Gary13579> http://asset.soup.io/asset/0661/0730_1c10.png
[3:22] <ehamberg> haha :D
[3:25] <jod> :)
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[3:29] <AlanBell> http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2420&Itemid=74&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailymash+(The+Daily+Mash.+It's+news+to+us.)
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[6:23] <antoine> salut
[6:23] <antoine> j'aime bcp le frenche accent des videos, arf =)
[6:23] <jod> :)
[6:24] <antoine> bon, ?a a l'air genial
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[6:25] <antoine> si c'etait possible de voir quelques photos avec un PDF dessus ?
[6:25] <_koen_> this is an english speaking channel, not spanish
[6:25] <jod> ^^ france
[6:25] <antoine> ha
[6:26] <jod> aj ja m????em hovori?? po na??om :D
[6:26] <antoine> and is it possible to switch between horizontal and vertical modes ?
[6:26] <leinir> Same difference, though, it's moon language (i.e. not English ;) )
[6:27] <jod> antoine: yop, check videos
[6:28] <antoine> exact, sorry
[6:29] <antoine> in case of hardware upgrade, what would be delivered if delays are 2 months ? latests versions ?
[6:30] <jod> ram was upgraded to 512MB :)
[6:35] <antoine> is it possible to have a french keyboard or only english is available ?
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[6:46] <jod> english i think
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[7:16] <robbrit> quick question, how do i update the touchbook OS?
[7:16] <robbrit> i can't really seem to find it on the wiki
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[7:30] <samham> Hi, i am considering ordering a touchbook, but since i can't get my hands on it to test que quality of the screen i hope someone here can atest to have good quality? On the videos the screen seems to have good image quality but interactivity to lag a little. Is the screen good?
[7:30] <robbrit> the screen is very good
[7:32] <craigevil> robbrit: do you mean update to the newest OS? http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Reinstall_OS
[7:32] <robbrit> craigevil: yeah but without wiping the drive
[7:33] <samham> thanks rob. I was hoping it would be :) Then this is no brainer i was waiting for the ipad to come out but it is an inferior product to the touchbook in almoust every way. Specially for my needs. Thanks for the info and i will order it now!
[7:33] <robbrit> samham: hold up
[7:33] <robbrit> samham: hardware is good, software less so
[7:34] <samham> yeah but it's open software and that is what i need. I want to use it as a dev board and it's cheapar than ordering a bealge borad and all toehr components
[7:34] <robbrit> samham: ah, ok. if you know linux then you should be fine
[7:34] <jod> bah, my country is still unavailable :(
[7:34] <samham> Thanks!
[7:35] <craigevil> robbrit: does this reinstall or just update> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Updater
[7:36] <robbrit> craigevil: it doesn't actually do anything other than tell me theres an update
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[7:36] <dauerbaustelle> hello there!
[7:36] <robbrit> hello
[7:37] <dauerbaustelle> looking for a netbook I stumbled over your web site and I'm amazed about the touchbook...
[7:37] <samham> I terms of software i think it's not better it's just prettier lol (well if Apple licenseed it's OS i would probably use it, but Apple does not share it's toys). Anyway thanks for the screen info it was the only thng holding me back. Not being available in store to touch is always an issue.
[7:37] <dauerbaustelle> what I don't get one thing:
[7:37] <robbrit> samham: yeah its a small company, you won't find this stuff in the big tech stores
[7:37] <dauerbaustelle> s/get/get is/
[7:38] <dauerbaustelle> on one hand, you're explaining that one can run openoffice and firefox and stuff on the touchbook
[7:38] <dauerbaustelle> and you have custom scripts and custom distro and so on
[7:39] <craigevil> robbrit: how about the package manager? /usr/bin/gpk-application just guessing here havent got mine yet,
[7:39] <robbrit> craigevil: hmm i don't think i've tried that
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[7:40] <robbrit> craigevil: i might have tried ipkg update/upgrade, but i can't remember so i'll try it again
[7:40] <dauerbaustelle> on the other hand, you have detailed information about how to compile the distro, your release-news are very technical, you're explaining how to modify the hardware parts of the touchbook, talking about internal usb ports and so on
[7:40] <dauerbaustelle> I don't get what your target audience is
[7:41] <dauerbaustelle> (former) windows users? or people that have used linux for a while before?
[7:42] <dauerbaustelle> if it is the first, I don't get why you're explaining all that technical stuff -- nobody cares
[7:42] <samham> dauerbaustelle: that is the joy of open platforms it comes configured to work out of the box but technical people can use it in different ways.
[7:42] <dauerbaustelle> if it is the second, why are you explaining "yes you can watch youtube"?
[7:43] <dauerbaustelle> hrm, I think then the web site/wiki has to be improved drastically, because a non-technical user is overwhelmed about all that funny unfamiliar names
[7:44] <dauerbaustelle> and technical details and stuff
[7:45] <dauerbaustelle> furthermore I don't get why you're developing another distribution for netbooks
[7:46] <dauerbaustelle> there's a huge amount of such operating systems -- is there any need to write custom software? (expect for drivers)
[7:46] <robbrit> craigevil: darn, that seg-faults
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[7:47] <robbrit> craigevil: i guess i will try flashing the drive :(
[7:48] <dauerbaustelle> and then, last question: Is it possible to buy the touchbook without any cpu and put in a cpu of *my* choice?
[7:49] <robbrit> dauerbaustelle: maybe try emailing the questions to the guys who make the touchbook
[7:49] <robbrit> i'm guessing most of the people in here aren't part of the company
[7:50] <dauerbaustelle> oh I thought this would be community driven
[7:51] <robbrit> i think it is partially
[7:51] <robbrit> but if you're trying to give points on how to make it sell better, you should probably talk to the company and not the community
[7:53] <dauerbaustelle> right
[7:53] <dauerbaustelle> well I'll write an email then
[7:53] <robbrit> anyway don't listen to me, i'm just some random guy trying to figure out how to upgrade to the newest version ;)
[8:02] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: you mean, can you swap the OMAP out? Hmmm, well for 99% of mortals, nope, you are dealing with a chip that has the RAM and NAND set ontop of the SoC all in one resulting package.
[8:04] <dauerbaustelle> DJWillis, are there more powerful OMAP chips than the chip built in? 600 mhz is quite slow
[8:05] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: there are more powerful chips that support the same board pinout BUT there is no way an end user is going to swap the CPU anymore then people do on an XBOX360/PS3/iPhone etc. ;-)
[8:06] <DJWillis> More powerful OMAP 3*** chips that is.
[8:06] <_koen_> especially with PoP
[8:06] <DJWillis> _koen_: yep ;-), kiss the NAND and RAM goodbye if you have to reflow the SoC.
[8:07] <_koen_> DJWillis: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/5a4c5ab7b9710e35aca9296f41d34d84.png
[8:07] <_koen_> DJWillis: I also found out why netbook-launcher-efl lacks icons (no svg renderer) and fixed that
[8:08] <_koen_> netbook-launcher-efl + matchbox-wm would be a nice low memory environment
[8:08] <dauerbaustelle> and what about changig the whole soc? ;)
[8:08] <DJWillis> _koen_: ohh, I was looking into the netbook launcher icon stuff, nice work on all counts :)
[8:09] <_koen_> the launcher on a zoom2: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/924ae1369c2e0eb1ec96081fea801709.png
[8:09] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: the OMAP IS the whole SoC (System ON a Chip, clue is in the name) the CPU is not in any way seperate.
[8:10] <DJWillis> _koen_: the launcher also runs well on the OP, tempted to package it in the default image for people to mess with (moved to UBIFS and SquashFS for the NAND image so have some space to play with).
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[8:11] <dauerbaustelle> DJWillis, then I don't get what's the problem with switching the soc chip?
[8:11] <DJWillis> _koen_: the netbook launcher also seems to work well with Xfce and not pull in to much Gnome.
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[8:13] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: getting the new chip in one off's then finding a fab that can mount it for you and getting one off's of the NAND and RAM, yep, go for it and let us know how it works out ;-)
[8:13] <samham> Hey i forgot to ask if the tablet can work with a different keyboard and mouse?
[8:14] <samham> wireless logitech kb and mouse
[8:14] <dauerbaustelle> samham, should work, it's linux :)
[8:14] <samham> yeah but does it come with drives out of the box?
[8:15] <dauerbaustelle> probably depends on the model, if it is very special/exotic then probably not but it's not hard to find drivers
[8:16] <craigevil> samham: logitech or even microsoft wirless kb/mouse should just work
[8:16] <samham> what about wacom tablets intuit 3?
[8:17] <samham> i can always add the drivers latter using ubuntu, but i don't now id the original os supports some fo these features
[8:18] <dauerbaustelle> isn't the original os based on ubuntu?
[8:18] <samham> Also from the videos i am guessing that the imgtec 3d driver is already installed and configured i can run the powervr linux sdk without hickups?
[8:19] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: nope, it's based (or forked from) Angstrom and Angstrom is an OpenEmbedded based distro.
[8:20] <dauerbaustelle> ah ok
[8:22] <DJWillis> dauerbaustelle: Angstrom does take a view of 'how would Debian do it' when dealing with setup/config etc. but it's all cross compiled rather than built on the target hardware.
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[8:23] <dauerbaustelle> how would debian do it? huh.
[8:23] <craigevil> heheh better "how would Debian do it" then "how would ubuntu do it"
[8:24] <_koen_> the ubuntu mobile guys went on record saying that crosscompiling is fundamentally unstable and will never work
[8:24] <DJWillis> craigevil: ;-)
[8:25] <DJWillis> _koen_: yep, it's so easy to see that OpenEmbedded is a dead end ;-)
[8:25] <samham> can run the powervr linux sdk without hickups?
[8:25] <craigevil> doesnt debian already support arm/armel?
[8:25] <_koen_> DJWillis: some of the TI guys went "so this DSP stuff we've been doing for the past 30 years or so can never have worked?"
[8:27] <DJWillis> _koen_: yep, I think back to many many years ago cross building for early ARM2's, yep, sure that never worked but the not working apps looks ok on the system at the time ;-)
[8:28] <_koen_> DJWillis: xfce seems to be working pretty well now, although it still isn't my cup of tea
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[8:29] <DJWillis> _koen_: ;-)
[8:31] <craigevil> prefers lxde its lighter but still gives one a DE rather than just a wm
[8:34] <leinir> i'll just say Mer again and go back to playing with Gluon ;)
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[9:04] <maxamillion> might anyone have a screenshot of the virtual keyboard for when you are using the TouchBook as tablet-only? (I'm trying to decide if I want to pay for the keyboard or not)
[9:05] <Corsac> craigevil: debian does support armel, but it's built for armv4 which won't benefit of all shiny-ness of the armv7 the touchbook has
[9:05] <leinir> The keyboard is really nice, maxamillion, it's more than just a keyboard, it's also a battery pack :)
[9:06] <maxamillion> leinir: yeah, but its $100 extra and I'm a broke college student :(
[9:07] <leinir> Well... you'll have to factor in the need for a USB keyboard and mouse at the moment, then
[9:07] <maxamillion> oh? ... is there not an on screen keyboard?
[9:07] <leinir> Sure, but it's somewhat limited
[9:08] <maxamillion> hrmm...
[9:08] <Corsac> it depends what usage you'll have
[9:08] <Corsac> if you badly need to type stuff, an external keyboard is nice to have
[9:08] <Corsac> if you only want to ???consult??? / read, then you might do without
[9:08] <maxamillion> oh! also ... how is package management handled? can I just hook up to a repo and pull down updates as well as optional packages?
[9:08] <Corsac> though I'm not sure it's really available without keyboard yet
[9:08] <Corsac> maxamillion: not yet
[9:08] <Corsac> well, you can, but it's not supported yet
[9:08] <maxamillion> oh bugger
[9:08] <maxamillion> hrmmm...
[9:09] <Corsac> the openembedded sources are available
[9:09] <Corsac> but there's no AI source currently
[9:09] <maxamillion> gotchya
[9:09] <Corsac> there might be some at one point
[9:09] <Corsac> (I only speak for AIOS though)
[9:09] <Corsac> for Ubuntu, well, the ubuntu repositories are available
[9:09] <Corsac> for Android I don't know
[9:09] <Corsac> for Chromium either
[9:10] <maxamillion> ok, well thank you for your time
[9:10] <maxamillion> information is much appreciated
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[9:29] <craigevil> the package list shows pidgin, what about irssi?
[9:29] <Corsac> what do you mean by ???what about????
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[9:30] <craigevil> does it come with irssi? :) irssi+bitlbee does it all
[9:31] <Corsac> usually the kind of population which uses irssi+bitlbee can manage the install themselves
[9:31] <Corsac> if irssi is not in the package list, I guess you can assume it's not installed
[9:32] <Corsac> (and, btw, ssh+screen+irssi+bitlbee does it all)
[9:32] <craigevil> yeah :)
[9:32] <Corsac> and ssh is not installed by default either
[9:32] <Corsac> though it's quite easy and painless to install
[9:32] <MikeEvans> irssi is not installed but is available from ipkg
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[9:33] <Corsac> MikeEvans: s/ipkg/opkg/ ;p
[9:33] <craigevil> nice much prefer not to use pidgin for irc
[9:33] <MikeEvans> ssh /is/ installed - but it is Dropbear rather than Openssh
[9:33] <Corsac> hmhm, good point
[9:33] <Corsac> ssh client is installed, not ssh server
[9:33] <MikeEvans> I've installed Openssh instead as I missed -X
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[9:47] <MikeEvans> I was attempting to get vlc installed earlier - it is available from the repos - but there is an unmet dependency. It says it wants libavutil49 ( >=v0.5) but the repos only have a library called libavutil50
[9:47] <MikeEvans> is this version control by naming rather than using version numbers properly does anyone know?
[9:48] <Corsac> it's not version control
[9:48] <Corsac> well, it's not package version control
[9:48] <Corsac> but ABI control
[9:49] <Corsac> basically you can't use that library with package built against libavutil49
[9:49] <MikeEvans> ah so the interface is genuinely different - pain
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[9:50] <MikeEvans> that means I either have to go get the source for vlc, or the source for libavutil49 then
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[10:04] <MikeEvans> hmm Corsac explain the ipkg/opkg thing - I've been using ipkg
[10:06] <Corsac> ipkg isn't maintained anymore, it's kind-of dead upstream
[10:06] <Corsac> it has been superseeded by opkg
[10:06] <MikeEvans> Oh that's news. Might be helpful if the touchbook Wiki mentioned that
[10:07] <MikeEvans> I see both ipkg and opkg are present on the path
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[10:18] <martinh> one's a link to the other.
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[10:26] <MikeEvans> ah so I've probably been using opkg all along then
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[10:51] <DJWillis> MikeEvans: you have, ipkg has not been used in Angstrom for a long time, all opkg. There is also work floating about to glue an opkg backend into PackageKit if anyone wants to hack on it, getting the GTK PackageKit GUI working properly would be great *hint*hint*
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[11:07] <MikeEvans> alextisserant: in reply to your email - yes I was able to get content from bbc iPlayer to display with both video and audio content
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[11:09] <MikeEvans> I used the get_iplayer perl script and I downloaded and compiled flvstreamer on the touchbook
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[11:10] <GNUtoo|oeee> hi I saw in youtube that there is openoffice3 on the touchbook, how is it possible? was it compiled with openembedded?
[11:11] <MikeEvans> the only problem is that using the lowest resolution available (flashstd iirc) the video bitrate was still too high for our poor ARM processor.
[11:12] <GNUtoo|oeee> I saw that too: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Cross-compiling_openoffice
[11:12] <GNUtoo|oeee> was it an early atempt
[11:12] <GNUtoo|oeee> ?
[11:12] <GNUtoo|oeee> or was it compiled with qemu
[11:28] <alextisserant> MikeEvans: so you used get_iplayer to download content and then play it locally, or you were able to stream some?
[11:30] <gregoiregentil> GNUtoo|oeee: qemu
[11:30] <gregoiregentil> with AI-OS rootfs
[11:32] <MikeEvans> alextisserant: I played it locally
[11:33] <MikeEvans> I haven't tried to do anything about embedded content on the BBC website yet
[11:35] <alextisserant> which program did you download? I can't find one working
[11:36] <MikeEvans> I downloaded the current edition of 'Click' as it is a short programme
[11:37] <MikeEvans> the .flv comes out at 79M
[11:38] <MikeEvans> using flashstd. Using flashvhigh it is 249M
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[11:41] <MikeEvans> Click is currently PID 186
[11:41] <alextisserant> I found 185
[11:42] <alextisserant> you did: get_iplayer 185 --get --mode=flashstd ?
[11:42] <MikeEvans> --vmode=flashstd I think
[11:43] <MikeEvans> yes - that was it - gtg - called to dinner
[11:45] <alextisserant> ok (continued in private)
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[12:24] <Pelias> hi guys
[12:24] <Pelias> so, it's been like 6 months since release
[12:24] <Pelias> is touchbook worth buying?
[12:25] <MikeEvans> Depends what you want. I just got delivery of mine and I'm happy with it so far
[12:27] <MikeEvans> but you still have to remember that it is in its early stages, that the advantage is that it's hackable to be what you want, but that there will be bugs and things you can't do so easily as if you went out and bought a mainstream product
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[12:29] <Pelias> so, there are still bugs in it?
[12:29] <MikeEvans> there are bugs in all software
[12:30] <Pelias> thing is, I don't know whether I should go for touchbook, or W1060 (it has 1 inch smaller screen, but half the price, and it's made in china)
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[12:33] <MikeEvans> tricky - I like the touchbook because it has a proper keyboard too
[12:37] <leinir> Pelias: ...but same screen res and processor?
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[12:41] <MikeEvans> 800??400 resolution and runs on an ARM Cortex A8 600M apparently
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[12:45] <leinir> Hmm... Well, that one's 7 inches... so it's two inches (tb's 8.9")
[12:46] <leinir> which makes quite a lot of difference, more than you might think...
[12:47] <GNUtoo|oeee> gregoiregentil, ok thanks
[12:48] <GNUtoo|oeee> maybe I should ask the initial recipe of woglinde again then
[12:49] <MikeEvans> there is space in there for a very crude joke about the difference 2" makes. But I agree - I was reading a book on the TB this morning and I wouldn't want it smaller
[12:49] <leinir> gregoiregentil: Any active goal time for Mer, or is that still sort of up in the air? :)
[12:49] <leinir> MikeEvans: Exactly what i mean :)
[12:50] <drantin> heh, I've read books on my zaurus (SL-C3200) and my XO-1 (one laptop per child) machines before
[12:50] <killring> any thoughts re: how far the touchbook s/w is from being stable/solid for those not interested in hacking at basic functionality?
[12:50] <leinir> Right now it's basically the size that you can comfortably fit an A4 paper in landscape mode (half page per screenful), or an A5 (roughly the size of a paperback) in portrait :)
[12:51] <drantin> lots and lots of stuff on the zaurus...
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[12:52] <defre> Hi everyone. Are Touchbook graphic-drivers open-source?
[12:52] <MikeEvans> I found it more comfortable reading with the brightness turned down - I thought it odd that screen brightness is on "advanced settings" but hey
[12:55] <MikeEvans> oh yeah - and how to I get that cool page turner effect that gregoire demonstrates in the youtube clip?
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[13:03] <craigevil> has anyone tried to build minitube? http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube doesnt use adobe flash
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[13:56] <Corsac> alextisserant: hmhm, how hard is it to add a new squashfs os to the bootmenu?
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[14:12] <GNUtoo> Corsac, don't know...how does the menu work?
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[14:17] <Corsac> no idea, that's why I'm asking
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[15:14] <topi`> Collectively, as computer users, we have all become accustomed to the concept of computer as multipurpose tool. The more features, ports, memory, GHz, and pixels you can stuff into it the better. Make it *do lots of stuff for the least amount of money possible*. Therefore if something that *seems like* a computer (but in my opinion really is NOT) comes to market and it's not packed to the gills with everything and the kitchen sink, it must be i
[15:14] <topi`> (this is from a iPad thread)
[15:15] <topi`> I think Touch Book user interface should also take this direction of simplicity. can gregoire do it??
[15:15] <topi`> after all, TB has a real keyboard :) and quickly converts to a tablet, too!
[15:16] * Gary13579 coughs http://asset.soup.io/asset/0661/0730_1c10.png
[15:18] <krylen> I would so buy two of those huge laptops... mostly because I would not be able to move the first one
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