#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-27

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[3:59] <josch> hello there!
[3:59] <josch> i see there are still delays in shipment :(
[3:59] <josch> is that going to improve anytime soon?
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[4:12] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, In preparation for the weekend's ircd migration we will need to take some servers out of production for upgrades, I am about to do a spot of rehubbing to continue the upgrades now. This may raise the number of splits for the next day, more information as and when will be available via wallops. Thank you for using freenode and have a great day.
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[4:18] <josch> and how do i find out how much shipping will be (to germany in my case)?
[4:52] <jod> 40$ :)
[4:52] <jod> i think
[4:53] <jod> +DPH +CLO :D
[4:58] <josch> i see thx :)
[5:01] <jod> hey, is black cover in sight? :D
[5:01] <jod> i want blak cover!
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[5:53] <josch> jod: srsly i find the red one so cool :)
[5:53] <jod> i want black :(
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[6:08] <martinh> if you want black, you're probably better off painting it. because, you probably also don't like the lit logo.
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[8:42] <Gary13579> http://i.imgur.com/xKgeg.jpg
[8:43] <leinir> That's not something Hitler came up with
[8:44] <leinir> It's just convenient that he repeated one of the basics of marketing
[8:44] <Gary13579> I'm sure, but comparing Apple to Hitler makes me giddy.
[8:44] <leinir> Comparing Apple to Hitler just makes me go "Oh, ffs, grow up"
[8:48] <martinh> you know who else compared apple to hitler?
[8:48] <martinh> oh. . .wait. . .
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[8:49] <_koen_> time to invoke godwins law?
[8:51] <Corsac> definitely
[9:00] <Gary13579> [10:58:08] <Bury|work> wow cnn [10:58:18] <Bury|work> they just said "there hasn't been as much hype over a tablet since moses"
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[9:15] <josch> what tablet?
[9:21] <_koen_> the jesustablet
[9:22] <leinir> *giggles* That's a nice comment, really :)
[9:29] <krylen> I will only buy an apple tablet if it allows me to press my bare buttocks to the multitouch screen and send the resulting JPEG of my compressed ass to whoever I am talking to.
[9:29] <krylen> PS. touchbook feature request
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[9:54] <tommd1> krylen: Have you tried putting your full hand on the tb while in a writing program? Your feature might already exist.
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[10:00] <samp_> Hi!
[10:00] <_koen_> it's a resistive TS, so you will only get one X,Y combo out of it
[10:00] <Corsac> _koen_: well, there might be a way to get the raw sensor output?
[10:01] <Corsac> with X,Y,Pressure
[10:01] <samp_> YEAH!!! Sorry to disturb but I just received my touchbook! and IT ROCKS!
[10:01] <Corsac> aha :)
[10:02] <samp_> yeah!
[10:02] <samp_> Greato looking machine, no Doubt!
[10:02] <samp_> It ROCKS!
[10:04] <samp_> One annoyinh question from someone that did read the manual yet ... when I connect to the Electric power plug With the keyboard attached does it charge both keyboard and tablet batteries ?
[10:04] <samp_> Or only the keyboard ones?
[10:04] <leinir> samp_: It charges both, but only if the tablet is on :)
[10:04] <samp_> Oh, ok, that is not a problem ...
[10:05] <samp_> Thanks.
[10:05] <leinir> You're welcome :)
[10:07] <samp_> What a cool little thing! Man! I have a Ton of laptops , Sony, Dell, Asus, Lenovo .. and this still looks Great!
[10:07] <martinh> yes. it is great.
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[10:09] <leinir> It really is nifty, yes :)
[10:09] <leinir> Personally i've some hope that it'll end up being able to have Mer running on it, but other than that, yes, it's a nifty piece of kit :)
[10:13] <samp_> Way cool!
[10:14] <samp_> Awsome!
[10:14] <samp_> Still needs a lot of development, I agree! But it looks Very promissing! Great Work AlwaysInnovating!
[10:16] <Gary13579> so, iPad is officially out
[10:18] <josch> what is ipad??
[10:19] <samp_> So ?!
[10:19] <Gary13579> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/
[10:19] <leinir> Gary13579: and surprise surprise, it's a big iPhone ;)
[10:20] <Gary13579> leinir, that was my first thought
[10:20] <Gary13579> the specs better be downright amazing, or this is a bigger joke than I thought
[10:20] <josch> who cares?
[10:24] <samp_> Exactly .... i
[10:24] <samp_> Moreover ... how much does it cost ?
[10:25] <samp_> The iPhone 3GS in Portugal , unlocked and without operator support costs 1000euros ... (thats euros) ...
[10:25] * leinir strikes a pose and goes "One.... Million... Dollars!" ;)
[10:28] <samp_> And then there is the full proprietary "Apple Only" app's ...
[10:28] <samp_> Or at least Apple Store...
[10:29] <samp_> And OH! Of course, it does not have a detachable keyboard ... :) like the TouchBook!
[10:29] <leinir> Well, it does do bluetooth, so the small apple bluetooth keyboard would work alright for that, but a little less practical, really
[10:40] <samp_> People who buys into Apple simply can not conceive of such a design "Blasphemy" :) It simply kills the purpose of the all thing ...
[10:40] <samp_> :)
[10:41] <samp_> that and also the Apple only batteries of the iPhone ...
[10:41] <samp_> to add a few minor "annoying details" ...
[10:46] <samp_> Does someone know if we can have a shell this bigger iPhone ?
[10:46] <samp_> Seems to me that it is just Apple App's all around ...
[10:46] <samp_> no OS access whatsoever ...
[10:51] * _koen_ would like a linux port instead of just a shell :)
[11:19] <blino> outch, $999
[11:20] <samp_> yup ... 1000$ and in this side of the Atlantic it will be arround 1000???
[11:21] <samp_> Not to mention that there is no Linux port ... so far at least. ...
[11:22] <blino> hmm, starts at 499 actually
[11:23] <blino> but yeah, over here it would be the same in euros
[11:23] <blino> they have a keyboard dock too
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[11:38] <samp_> 499 is a sponsored iPad ..
[11:39] <samp_> The service attached normally costs a least another 1000$/???
[11:40] <samp_> I actually think this could be good for the Touchbook, when the tide is up ... all boats rise ..
[11:41] <tommd1> We need a TB with integrated Iridium data sat phone :-)
[11:59] <samp_> And ... :) about the rising tide ... the "lighter" boats do float better :)
[12:00] * DJWillis ponders some of the USB WiFi and 3G combo cards, strip it and pop it into a Touchbook and things get interesting with a recent NetworkManager on the front to look after the GPRS/HS*PA connection.
[12:00] <tommd1> Its slightly scary that AI is selling the entire TB design - implies a cash-flow problem to me.
[12:01] <DJWillis> tommd1: not sure about that, I think there plan was to always license the design.
[12:09] <_koen_> DJWillis: 2.6.32 has merged the HSO drivers, so you don't need extra out-of-kernel drivers for dongles
[12:09] <_koen_> DJWillis: like the vodafone one in the UK
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[12:12] <tommd1> We need AI to move forward from 2.6.29. Not sure the status of the patches they use - are they in Linus's git tree or linux-next?
[12:15] <_koen_> neither
[12:15] <_koen_> they will hit linux-omap first
[12:19] <DJWillis> _koen_: ahhh, nice, you don't need out of tree for the 3G side of a lot of the older dongles but good to know that's in.
[12:20] <DJWillis> tommd1: our 'stable' for the OpenPandora is 2.6.27 ;-) but in fairness just about everything is working in GIT/32 etc. but just not as well tested as I would like.
[12:20] <_koen_> DJWillis: some of them needed the 'HSO' driver (e.g. option devices)
[12:20] <_koen_> and who in their right mind names their company 'option'?
[12:21] <DJWillis> _koen_: yep. Used there devices for years, not inclined to think they have a 'right mind' ;-)
[12:24] <_koen_> the nice thing is that the usb storage driver now hands off the device to the HSO driver automagically
[12:24] <DJWillis> _koen_: true, most of that was a mess.
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[13:07] <cfriedt> hi there. are there any other gentoo people online?
[13:13] <cfriedt> i'll take the sound of crickets chirping as a maybe?
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[13:29] <krylen> I used to be an avid gentoo user.. many moons ago *sniff*sniff* how I miss you reliable computer..
[13:30] <tommd1> Gentoo? No. Arch? Some.
[13:31] <krylen> tommd1: How is Arch? it is a from source distro but also provides binary packages yes?
[13:37] <Gary13579> krylen, it really is... both. The official repos are all binaries, but they have community ran repos which are usually from source.
[13:38] <_koen_> you imply that the offical repos are built from pixie dust
[13:38] <krylen> Thanks Gary13579, I need to go back to a real distro, developing for Ubuntu is all well and good, but some of it's bugs are driving me crazy
[13:38] <_koen_> my "from source" pet peeve is shining through
[13:39] <Gary13579> Well, of course the official repos originally came from source, but they are downloaded as binaries.
[13:39] <_koen_> linuxdevices.com once had a story about how gentoo was the only distro built from sources
[13:40] <_koen_> that's what you get for not hiring competent editors :)
[13:40] <krylen> _koen_: that's not true: Linux From Scratch
[13:40] <krylen> ahh
[13:41] <Gary13579> krylen, overall I really enjoy Arch. Specifically, how it handles booting/starting daemons is really nice. my ~6 year old laptop takes about 10 seconds from me hitting the button to login screen to start.
[13:41] <_koen_> krylen: pretty much everything is built from source, something which linuxdevices.com fails to understand :)
[13:41] <_koen_> I suspect they meant that people using e.g. debian just consume binaries instead of .ebuilds
[13:42] <krylen> _koen_: Good point, if want to look at it that way, but many distros are not geared towards you actually compiling everything on your system yourself
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[13:42] <Gary13579> He understands what it means, he's just nit picking the way it's worded.
[13:43] <krylen> Gary13579: If I wanted to rebuild all the packages on my system from source with different compile time options, could I do that easily? or will it be like trying to pull an build from source an entire ubuntu?
[13:44] <Gary13579> krylen, by default, it's a pain to do AUR installs... there's a few command line programs that automatically download everything, and asks you before compiling each program, so you can add compile time options easily.
[13:44] <Gary13579> also, this *entirely* nails the iPad: http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/frantic_steve_jobs_stays_up
[13:47] <_koen_> http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/man_who_enjoys_thing worries me
[13:47] <_koen_> I might be enjoying the incorrect things
[13:49] <krylen> LOL, man, the onion can be quite hilarious
[13:49] <Gary13579> afk a bit, but krylen, I really suggest giving Arch a shot. I've been *very* happy with it (granted, my last distro was Ubuntu)
[13:49] <krylen> Thanks Gary13579, I'll have to look into Arch some more, I'm not quite sure if it's the gentoo+binary packages I'm looking for
[13:50] <krylen> gentoo was awesome, but sometimes I need something *now*, not in two hours when it's compiled
[13:52] <Gary13579> also, make *sure* you change the default repo mirror, as it's capped to 50kb/s, and will make your life hell.
[13:52] <krylen> gah
[13:52] <krylen> that would suck
[13:53] <Gary13579> I'm pulling 2mb/s on a kernel upgrade on the second mirror in the list, though.
[13:58] <cfriedt> krylen: I know how you feel... I've been a gentoo person for a long time... just switched to ubuntu on my workstation because I couldn't stand things breaking anymore... although that was probably my own fault.
[14:00] <cfriedt> is anyone working with chromium/os ?
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[14:03] <cfriedt> ... on a completely unrelated note... how about that iPad? ... the internet-enabled panty-liner ;-) ... seriously, looks pretty nice... would be an awesome linux device. i wonder how far apple has gone with anti-rooting methods
[14:04] <krylen> cfriedt: Honestly, with gentoo shit broke when I screwed with it, and that was annoying, but the simple answer was always "build the old version" with Ubuntu I have bugs that just are not easy to fix like that, I'd end up rebuilding half the damned system and I don't have the time for that kind of mucking about recently
[14:05] <krylen> example: Ubuntu 9.10 and an hda-intel sound card, right everytime I switch between watching a video or getting sound from a browser I want to slam my head in my car door, I can only play video via oss and half the time I have to force-reload alsa to get oss to start working again
[14:06] <krylen> infuriating, especially since the primary thing I'm working on is heavily sound dependent!
[14:08] <krylen> cfriedt: ipad = novelty sized iphone
[14:12] <cfriedt> i agree ... with ubuntu it's definitely harder to fix a small issue... if it doesn't 'just work' then its generally harder to fix. ... i found it fairly odd that ubuntu doesn't mount /tmp as tmpfs by default... it slows things down tremendously
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[14:14] <cfriedt> question(s)- gcc flags for armv7a -mfpu=vfp ? i guess that also supports i.MX processors as well? is there a significant performance hit vs -mfpu=neon ?
[14:16] <cfriedt> nevermind- http://pandorawiki.org/Floating_Point_Optimization
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[14:25] <Sn0wman_Desk> Thank god apple's iPad looks useless
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[14:27] <krylen> cfriedt: oh man, I totally did not realize they did that
[14:27] <krylen> Sn0wman_Desk: LOL!
[14:28] <Sn0wman_Desk> its pretty much a TB with a little nicer touch screen, running the iPhone OS and costs like more than twice as much
[14:28] <krylen> I wouldn't call it a TB
[14:28] <krylen> iphone OS = One app running at a time
[14:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> true, so it fails at multitasking and productivity :-))
[14:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> AND NO FLASH
[14:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> WTF?
[14:29] <cfriedt> krylen: no-multitasking = quite lame
[14:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> lol and the 16GB with no 3G is already $499
[14:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> 32GB = $599. 64GB = $699
[14:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> and w/ 3G
[14:30] <cfriedt> the only thing that apple has going for them w/ their devices these days is (well... they do have nice UIs) 1) multi-touch patents, 2) uni-body enclosures... their hardware is quite nice
[14:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> 16GB = $629. 32GB = $729. 64GB = $829
[14:31] <krylen> and a whole flock of fanbois will buy it because buying whatever apple tells them too makes them "free thinking and unique"
[14:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> ^^ true
[14:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> lol
[14:31] <cfriedt> has anyone found a multi-touch display that would fit in the TB ?
[14:31] <cfriedt> it would be quite a bit of hardware hacking...
[14:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> but you have to spend an extra 25% of what it is worth for them to put APPLE on it
[14:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> cfriedt: I checked around a week or two ago and didn't find anything useful
[14:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> by multi-touch u mean capacitive?
[14:33] <azaghal> Nope, support for detecting multiple presses on the display.
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[14:33] <azaghal> Capacitive is a way it detects the "presses".
[14:33] <Sn0wman_Desk> well capacitive does that
[14:34] <Sn0wman_Desk> resistive = 1 touch. capacitive = multi-touch
[14:34] <krylen> azaghal: there are several ways to do multitouch displays, capacitive is one method (the one used by the iphone)
[14:34] <azaghal> Yep, that's what I meant.
[14:34] <Sn0wman_Desk> Well its just that the only place I see selling multi-touch kits are selling them as capacitive
[14:34] <azaghal> Probably the easiest way to achieve it, I guess.
[14:35] <azaghal> And those are nice since you don't damage the screen as much, I think?
[14:35] <krylen> it's the popular way to go, I think it's because it is very accurate
[14:35] <Sn0wman_Desk> yah and capacitives are more accurate too
[14:35] <cfriedt> i don't think any resistive displays are multi-touch capable
[14:35] <krylen> I have not been in the digital signage/kiosk business for a year or two now, so I'm a little behind the times
[14:35] <Sn0wman_Desk> they aren't
[14:36] * drantin pokes viridior and/or gregoiregentil to ask about the OS version listed in the topic vs. the site
[14:36] <gregoiregentil> in the topic? You mean?
[14:36] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe good point. Gregoiregentil: I suggest you change the MOTD :-)
[14:36] <edgar1> IPad. Nice Display. Nice metal frame. Is it possible for a small company like AI too make it with the same price ?
[14:36] <gregoiregentil> MOTD?
[14:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> topic*
[14:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> it says the current release is 2010-01.a
[14:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> not .b
[14:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> and gregoiregentil: I got my keyboard btw, thank you a bunch
[14:40] <krylen> gregoiregentil: If I jump up and down and wave my arms, will my touchbook arrive faster?
[14:40] <gregoiregentil> Maybe! I don't know
[14:40] <krylen> Great! Then I'll take the rest of the week off!
[14:41] <krylen> ;)
[14:41] <gregoiregentil> But if you have a port of iPhone OS[whatever], it can surely arrive very fast
[14:41] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe
[14:41] <krylen> LOL
[14:41] <samp__> Speaking abot TB arrival times ... mine is here! Yes!
[14:41] <krylen> No thanks, theres an OS I don't want on my TB
[14:42] <krylen> samp__: congrats!
[14:42] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe
[14:42] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: have you thought about making the scrollbar wider in tablet mode?
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[14:42] <samp__> Where I Live, Portugal, it only took about 1 week longer because all of the duane procedures, apart from that it was Great!
[14:43] <gregoiregentil> Sn)wman_Desk: No. Good idea. You can look for how to do it
[14:43] <Sn0wman_Desk> I know how to do it, want me to e-mail you the settings?
[14:43] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/ai/postprocess/usr/bin/ai/halevt/keyboard.sh
[14:44] <gregoiregentil> are you using xfce-mcs-tool?
[14:44] <Sn0wman_Desk> no it is a gtk setting
[14:44] <gregoiregentil> if [ ${REMOVAL} = 1 ]; then means going to tablet mode.
[14:44] <gregoiregentil> but then it needs a restart of X
[14:44] <gregoiregentil> you need to find the dynamic setting
[14:44] <Sn0wman_Desk> ah alright
[14:46] <gregoiregentil> what's the gtk setting? where is it set up?
[14:47] <blino> hi gregoiregentil
[14:47] <blino> did you get my mail about Mandriva?
[14:47] <gregoiregentil> blino: not sure
[14:48] <blino> gregoiregentil: I sent it to distributor[s]@
[14:48] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: a config file in the /home/ai called .gtkrc-2.0 that has... style "scroll" { GtkScrollbar::slider-width = 25 } class "*" style "scroll" ... inside of it
[14:48] <Sn0wman_Desk> and 25 is the width setting obviously
[14:48] <Gary13579> Mandriva is still around...? wow.
[14:48] <blino> yep
[14:49] <blino> and doing some ARM stuff now
[14:49] <Gary13579> the last I heard of them was the Mandrake lawsuit, and they changed their name. feels like forever ago.
[14:49] <blino> (I'm from Mandriva, the company)
[14:49] <Gary13579> ah :) well, sorry lol
[14:49] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: but that setting is acutlaly just right for both tablet and normal mode which is why I didn't find it necessary to change when in tablet mode
[14:50] <gregoiregentil> ok. I will try
[14:50] <gregoiregentil> send me your whole .gtkrc-2.0 file
[14:50] <Sn0wman_Desk> ok h/o let me get on my TB
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[14:51] <blino> Gary13579: np, I know that for a lot of people, we didn't survive the name change
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[14:52] <Gary13579> To be fair I've never tried it. Glad to hear you're still around though! (variety is never a bad thing)
[14:52] <viridior> drantin: pong
[14:53] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: did you get it?
[14:53] <cfriedt> Mandrake was my first linux distro way back in '97 :)
[14:53] <blino> hehe :)
[14:53] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe I'm a youngin, my first was ubuntu 8.04
[14:53] <Sn0wman_Desk> That was a fun day when I got it
[14:54] <Sn0wman_Desk> took me forever to learn how to burn an .iso
[14:54] <blino> we will release our ARM port soon
[14:54] <blino> as packages repo, chroot tarball, and qemu vm image
[14:54] <krylen> wow, making me feel old
[14:54] <cfriedt> ?
[14:54] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe I tend to do that
[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> not many kids my age (~15) that hang out in project dev IRC's
[14:55] <Gary13579> I believe mine was... some live CD. I wanna say SuSE. I was disgusted with KDE and went back to Windows.
[14:55] <Gary13579> (my opinion on KDE has not changed after all these years)
[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh contrare
[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> KDE 4 is pretty cool
[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> resource bastard though
[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> I believe I'll stick with gnome
[14:56] <Gary13579> GNOME/Xfce/X isn't even installed here, depending on what it's for.
[14:56] <krylen> good old trusty fluxbox, best of the boxes
[14:56] <Gary13579> My 4GHz quad core, 8gb RAM, 9800GT clearly gets GNOME with a decked out Compiz, but I stick to Xfce on notebook.
[14:57] <blino> yep, fluxbox is enough :)
[14:57] <cfriedt> every UI has it's pros / cons... except the iPad ... lack of multitasking is such a waste of their hardware
[14:57] <krylen> with it spectacular "no features" feature, and it's "No I'd don't want a shiny do-dad" blocker, I just love it
[14:57] <Sn0wman_Desk> Well I have grown fantasticly proficient with the command line but I like a GUI :-)
[14:58] <Gary13579> I'd switch to something more lightweight for my notebook in a heartbeat, if I could find something I like.
[14:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> gnome is plenty lightweight for my netbook
[14:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> IMO, xfce and flux and black are too featureless for a WM
[14:59] <Gary13579> This is a 1.4GHz Pentium M, 1gb RAM, underclocked random video card. about on par with netbooks (although M > Atom)
[14:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> well nm about xfce, xfce is ok
[15:00] <cfriedt> my main 'workstation' is an eee 701 w/ gnome :)
[15:00] <blino> we have netbook-friendly interfaces for OEMs at Mandriva, mostly based on lxde, or some in-house interfaces
[15:00] <Gary13579> I'm told XMonad is actually really nice... but I can't get over the Haskell part.
[15:00] <blino> and we'd like to try it on the Touchbook now :)
[15:01] <krylen> Gary13579: comes to the 'box side..
[15:01] <krylen> *come
[15:01] <Sn0wman_Desk> It would be nice for a easy-to-use UI on the TB
[15:02] <cfriedt> chromeOS :)
[15:02] <cfriedt> hehehe...
[15:02] <Sn0wman_Desk> meh
[15:02] <Sn0wman_Desk> I was never a huge fan
[15:02] <Sn0wman_Desk> its just chrome...
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[15:03] <Sn0wman_Desk> I like chrome
[15:03] <Sn0wman_Desk> but not as an OS
[15:05] <cfriedt> it's not bad... missing several features though... terminal(?)... gcc, eclipse, jdk ... that's pretty much all I would need
[15:05] <Sn0wman_Desk> no you can get terminal
[15:05] <Sn0wman_Desk> I just don't remember how but you can probably google it
[15:06] <blino> btw, do you have some on-screen keyboard on the main TB OSes?
[15:06] <cfriedt> Ctrl+Alt+1 ?
[15:06] <cfriedt> blino: there is an osk, yea
[15:06] <Sn0wman_Desk> blino: yes. you can double click the outside button or click the second item from bottom in the start menu
[15:06] <Sn0wman_Desk> I'm not sure cfriedt
[15:07] <Gary13579> krylen, what does it offer :) ?
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[15:08] <blino> Sn0wman_Desk: do you know what it's based on? maybe the matchbox one?
[15:09] <Sn0wman_Desk> I'm not sure tbh
[15:09] <cfriedt> you can check it out from ai's openembedded/git repo
[15:10] <cfriedt> gregoiregentil: is there a gitweb interface to the AIOS git repo?
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[15:11] <blino> there's http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/
[15:12] <Sn0wman_TB>
[15:12] <cfriedt> i couldn't tell you exactly what the package is called, sorry.
[15:14] <Sn0wman> gregoiregentil: have you found a solution to the start menu clicking?
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[15:14] <gregoiregentil> No. I send the question to xfce mailing list and nobody replied
[15:15] <gregoiregentil> :-(
[15:15] <Sn0wman_Desk> :-/
[15:15] <Sn0wman_Desk> what is a mailing list? A list of addresses of people who want to be involved on a particular topic?
[15:16] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh and gregoiregentil, have you tried the gtk config yet?
[15:16] <gregoiregentil> not yet
[15:16] <Sn0wman_Desk> alright, but you did receive it via IRC yes?
[15:16] <krylen> Gary13579: If you embrace the 'box side you will be rewarded with unchallanged power, flexability, and memory savings, all while having much cooler outfits and powers
[15:16] <Sn0wman_Desk> what about cookies?
[15:17] * Gary13579 np: Hackers (1995)
[15:18] <krylen> Gary13579: embrace your anger over bloated window managers, use your hate for their shiny bobbles! JOIN ME AND RULE THE UNIVERSE!
[15:18] <Sn0wman_Desk> omfg, hackers was about the least accurate movie I've ever seen
[15:18] <Gary13579> xfce is already lightweight.
[15:18] <Gary13579> Sn0wman_Desk, don't care, it's still awesome.
[15:18] <blino> lxde is even more lightweight
[15:19] <krylen> Sn0wman_Desk: I could never get through the part where they "fly through the crystal palace"
[15:19] <Gary13579> we are samurai
[15:19] <Gary13579> the keyboard, cowboys
[15:19] <Sn0wman_Desk> lol yah
[15:20] <Sn0wman_Desk> has anyone thought of a solution for the rattle of the backplate?
[15:20] <krylen> time for me to go home, later all
[15:20] <Sn0wman_Desk> bye
[15:21] <krylen> <gone>
[15:22] <cfriedt> ciao
[15:23] <Sn0wman_Desk> Yo necesito ir al ba?o. brb
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[15:26] <Sn0wman_Desk> bak
[15:27] <Eruquen> I'm running awesome on ubuntu on the touchbook right now. it's quite.. awesome. xfce is bloated in comparison.
[15:27] <Eruquen> and it's lightning fast
[15:28] <gregoiregentil> Sn0wman_desk: your file is not working
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[15:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> here, this is the short post where I learned how to do it
[15:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=255065
[15:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> 2nd post down
[15:30] <cfriedt> it's past my bedtime over here. piece.
[15:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> c ya
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[15:30] <gregoiregentil> OK. I will make it work
[15:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> You're doing this on 01.b AIOS correct?
[15:31] <gregoiregentil> yup.
[15:31] <gregoiregentil> I'm just a little bit concerned to have a wider scrollbar even in keyboard mode
[15:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> no modded packages or anything?
[15:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> no it really isn't cumbersome at all
[15:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> you'll see
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[16:03] <Sn0wman_Desk> any luck gregoiregentil?
[16:04] <gregoiregentil> yup. working. Still need to figure out if I want to change upon insertion/removal
[16:04] <Sn0wman_Desk> glad I could help, but do you see what I mean about it's not that cumbersome even in laptop mode?
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[16:11] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: glad I could help, but do you see what I mean about it's not that cumbersome even in laptop mode?
[16:16] <gregoiregentil> yup. still a little bit big
[16:17] <gregoiregentil> but we have so much space on the horizontal axis, so that it may be fine indeed
[16:17] <gregoiregentil> it seems that a new window takes the new gtk setting which is great
[16:18] <Sn0wman_Desk> glad I could help :-)
[16:18] <gregoiregentil> but an existing window doesn't change. If you can find the command to update all existing windows (I don't think that it's possible), that would be great
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[16:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> well if you set the file correctly and restart, it'll start all of the windows like that from boot
[16:40] <drantin> gregoiregentil: on http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/community/ you mention that 2010.01.b is the latest, rather than the .a in the channel topic
[16:46] <tommd1> its a little nightmarish, the number of places the current OS version is spread. forums, wiki, IRC, support news)
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> let me modify the channel topix
[16:50] <gregoiregentil> community page, wiki, support, news, everything is up-to-date. I will update channel topic now.
[16:51] * ChanServ changes topic to 'This is the Always Innovating Touch Book chat room! Current release is 2010-01.b. You can find out more at the official website, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com, and on the wiki at http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki.'
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[16:52] <gregoiregentil> should be good now for the channel topic. Good catch.
[16:52] <gregoiregentil> Even Bugzilla has 2010-01.b!
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[18:04] <tommd1> gregoiregentil: Do you know where the OMAP 3 is fabbed?
[18:04] <tommd1> I've tried to extract fab location information from TI but they don't care about people with a .edu or gmail address.
[18:05] <tommd1> ping: Am I having connection issues?
[18:06] <tommd1> brb
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[18:07] <tommd> back
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[18:26] <gregoiregentil> tommd1: no
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> tommd: not really. In Asia for sure. Malaysia I think.
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> If I remember correctly of what was written on the reel when I received the chips
[18:28] <tommd> OK
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[23:09] <bandwidthcrunch> Hi there ! anyone familiar with the bottom battery applet and driver ?
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[23:35] <bandwidthcrunch> hi alextisserant ! Are u still working on the battery applet ?
[23:42] <alextisserant> not recently actually, but what is your question?
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[23:45] <bandwidthcrunch> i have been trying to get an applet to work with the bq27200 battery driver . I wanted to get gnome-power-manager running
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[23:47] <bandwidthcrunch> But the sysfs value are not correct mostly , specially the CAPACITY value is behaving quite weird. I was wondering if u have got any decent panel applet working with the bq27200 ?
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[23:50] <Corsac> I think he left :)
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[23:51] <Corsac> but working on an applet has no point until the kernel reports the value correctly to userspace
[23:51] <Corsac> so that needs a fixed driver
[23:51] <bandwidthcrunch> i have also been playing with the driver
[23:51] <Corsac> any luck?
[23:52] <bandwidthcrunch> well i have an applet that gives me almost accurate values using just the voltage and current calculations . This is a matchbox based plugin. But gnome-power-manager is a little more mature for handling certain events and is also elegant in its reportings
[23:53] <bandwidthcrunch> I havent got gnome-power-manager working correctly , was hoping someone would have some insights into the workings
[23:53] <Corsac> fix the driver and everything will work in gpm
[23:54] <Corsac> gpm uses hal (or devkit-power/upower in more recent versions) to get battery info
[23:54] <bandwidthcrunch> :) working on it
[23:55] <bandwidthcrunch> bq27200 driver is not upto the job of giving hal the right values as of yet.
[23:59] <_koen_> bandwidthcrunch: AIUI the bq27200 driver has various values hardcoded, so using it on a system different than the dude who wrote it....

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