#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-22

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[0:20] <dpb> Hmm, why did I just get an email with the To: line being alexandre@alwaysinnovating.com? o_o
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[0:36] <Corsac> dpb: spam stuff sent to dev list
[0:36] <Corsac> I got it too
[0:37] <dpb> Yeah, thought it would be something to do with the dev list
[0:56] <Corsac> ooho, shiny bootmenu in 01b
[0:57] <dpb> oh, b is out?
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[1:12] <Corsac> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2010-01.b/
[1:13] <dpb> I haven't even had time to test .a yet :P
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[1:19] <FIN__Master> Its nice that my charger is now broken without any reason and helpdeks told me to Buy a new one
[1:19] <FIN__Master> dont think that a charger has only 2 months for a typical lifetime
[1:23] <gregoiregentil> I mentioned to you that we will send you one
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[1:24] <FIN__Master> should I refer to the irclog with my answer to helpdesk?
[1:25] <gregoiregentil> yes
[1:28] <FIN__Master> Ok. It was just quite unexpected answer from helpdesk. Ill answer them
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[1:38] <Corsac> maybe they wanted you to buy a new charger while waiting for the new one which will be sent to you?
[1:40] <FIN__Master> i was told to buy a new one from AI. So i'd probably have to wait equal time :)
[1:40] <Corsac> :)
[1:41] <FIN__Master> im gonna have to wait for too long. Having a properly working tb with no power is worse than having no tb :)
[1:47] <zopper2> FIN__Master: yeah... I bought one extra charger with touchbook order :D But you are not i CZ
[1:47] <zopper2> *in
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[1:50] <FIN__Master> My friend has got a tb so maybe i can borrow his if i get some symptoms :)
[1:54] <Corsac> or you might be able to use another one, I think the connector is fairly standard, and you need to make sure voltage and current re ok
[1:56] <zopper> mm... have you to so often app crashes with SIGSEGV (segmentation fault)?
[1:58] <Corsac> nop
[1:58] <zopper> hmm... I have this problem all rhe time, I have TB.
[1:58] <zopper> *the
[2:00] <zopper> Now, the OS itself is "Stable" - no frequently freezes and crashes, but frequently apps crashes still appears....
[2:00] <FIN__Master> any idea it I could use more current loading my tb. The original charger is 3.5A. What if I got for example a 5A charger with 5V?
[2:01] <zopper> more current might be OK...
[2:02] <zopper> I think, TB is not designed by hasn't chraging regulation
[2:02] <FIN__Master> but how is the charging done, meaning that will it limit the current somehow
[2:03] <Corsac> FIN__Master: more current is ok (TB will only pick what it'll need)
[2:04] <zopper> this charger is "voltage source", not "current source". So, voltage is "stable" and current is changing...
[2:05] <zopper> If TB need 3A, charger give it. If TB need 1A, charger give it only 1A...
[2:06] <gregoiregentil> zopper is right
[2:06] <gregoiregentil> 5A-5V should work though I have never tried...
[2:06] <FIN__Master> so the charging time would be the same with 5A
[2:06] <zopper> current on the charger is the maxium for this current
[2:07] <zopper> FIN__Master: it can be faster, but its depend on charging circruit and battery in TB
[2:07] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: ok, rotation works perfectly in 10b/ubuntu :)
[2:08] <zopper> gregoiregentil: do you thin???, can be my SIGSEGVs caused by bad RAM or something?
[2:08] <zopper> I dont find any memtest for arm cpus, only for x86
[2:09] <gregoiregentil> zopper: I don't think so
[2:09] <gregoiregentil> is it a clean OS install?
[2:09] <zopper> yes
[2:09] <gregoiregentil> there is a memtester...
[2:09] <gregoiregentil> /usr/bin/memtester
[2:09] <zopper> I have this problem all the time, i have TB (since december)
[2:10] <zopper> ok, I'll try it
[2:10] <gregoiregentil> Corsac ;-)
[2:13] <zopper> strange thing is, I have this problem also on card image, that is working OK for others. I tried second card and didnt change anything.
[2:21] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/touchbook/tb-rss.mp4
[2:21] <Corsac> (15M on a slow connection, sorry)
[2:27] <Corsac> mh, disconnected
[2:27] <Corsac> and it won't come back ;/
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[2:51] <zopper> gregoiregentil: memtester 90: Compare MUL: failure 0x0000000 != 0x00000003 at offset 0x004b9235
[2:52] <zopper> compare DIV: failure 0x75d789f6 !=0x75d789f7 at offset 0x004b9253
[2:55] <zopper> block sequential: testing 158 FAILURE: 0x9e9e9e9e != 0x9e9e9a9e at offset 0x00a8c645
[2:55] <zopper> it doesnt seems good :(
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[4:35] <FIN__Master> has anyone tried charging tb with only 3A?
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[5:21] <Meizirkki> I just got "URGENT - alwaysinnovating Domain Name and Network Brand Registration Announcement." e-mail from jason.yuan@china-fowa.org
[5:21] <Meizirkki> O_o
[5:21] <Meizirkki> Shouldn't that go to alexandre@alwaysinnovating.com only ?
[5:22] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, do you know anything about that..? ^
[5:22] <Meizirkki> "Dear President,
[5:22] <Meizirkki> We are the department of Asian Domain registration service in china. we have something need to confirm with you"
[5:22] <Meizirkki> wtf ?
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[5:28] <dpb> Meizirkki: it came to everyone on the dev list
[5:32] <Meizirkki> ah okay
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[6:05] <FIN__Master> Mmm. Loading now tb directly from my computer.. Thanks Meizirkki!
[6:07] <leinir> Meizirkki: Been out of touch a short while, how's Mer on tb comin' on? :)
[6:08] <Meizirkki> To be honest i haven't payed much attention to it for a while...
[6:08] <zopper> :)
[6:08] <leinir> Right :)
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[6:09] <Meizirkki> I haven't payed much attention to any computer related for a while...
[6:10] <Meizirkki> for a week
[6:10] <leinir> roughly the same time as me then *giggles* exams and suchlike things have got a bit in the way ;)
[6:11] <FIN__Master> someone should patch this planet to have more hours in a day
[6:11] <leinir> anyway, i'm off!
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[6:15] <zopper> FIN__Master: or live in 28 hours day (as on xkcd.org)
[6:15] <zopper> :D
[6:16] <FIN__Master> if i had no work and no school i could do that :D
[6:16] <zopper> y
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[7:03] <zopper> gregoiregentil: Are you here,
[7:03] <zopper> ?
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[7:29] <zopper> if you run out of box android on TB (on 2010.1a or b), have you working SD card, or it tell, that SD card is damaged? (It do for all cards, I tried...)
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[9:37] <GNUtoo> hi, when will 512M version be available?
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[9:44] <Martix> GNUtoo: where have you got this information?
[9:47] <GNUtoo> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/
[9:47] <GNUtoo> # 512MB RAM - 8GB SD card for storage
[9:48] <GNUtoo> I forgetten the touchbook because of the small amount of ram but now I'll evaluate it again
[9:48] <GNUtoo> the problem is that I've got an old eeepc 701
[9:48] <Martix> 512 MB RAM, nice :-)
[9:49] <MikeEvans> eeepc 701's are lovely
[9:49] <MikeEvans> I was thinking of getting a second hand one of those before I got the touchbook
[9:50] <GNUtoo> ok
[9:50] <GNUtoo> their battery don't last very long tough
[9:50] <GNUtoo> (of eee701)
[9:50] <MikeEvans> no - that's the problem
[9:51] <Martix> MikeEvans: how many RAM on TB have you?
[9:51] <GNUtoo> no?
[9:51] <Martix> *in
[9:51] <MikeEvans> top says 233724k
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[9:53] <Martix> eventually, I will be happier when my November order come late :-)
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[9:55] <MikeEvans> gah - I just don't understand battery charging on the tb. I've had it in all day and the led was flashing but it is switched off. so I just booted it to answer your question and it says 79% charged
[9:55] <MikeEvans> now as the % is only for the bottom battery I would have expected that to be 100%
[9:59] <MikeEvans> now then - I hear my partner opening a bottle of wine - I guess it's that time (here at least) cheers everyone
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[13:31] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Hi all. It seems we're again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you're experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://blog.freenode.net/?p=386. Thanks!
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[14:31] <viridior> afternoon all
[14:32] <viridior> gentoo (neuvoo) is making progress and hopefully we will have a squashfs out in a couple weeks
[14:34] <gregoiregentil> Cool!
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[14:45] <viridior> gregoiregentil: we doing a big shift in design from our old images, so it will take a bit longer than it should, but I think everyone will be happy with the results
[14:45] <gregoiregentil> ok
[14:45] <viridior> gregoiregentil: no issues with kernel & patches, ill see if I can get those ebuilds built this weekend
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[14:47] <gregoiregentil> Not sure to understand. I think that you should take the binaries kernel as it is. It would take some time to write the ebuild for the kernel and perhaps it would be better to focus on the rootfs first
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[14:47] <gregoiregentil> I would be curious to see what make conf file you are using
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[14:55] <viridior> gregoiregentil: ebuild for kernel will be to pull your kernel, nothing special for that. Our redesign is to minimize our intrusion on /etc/make.conf, so we are building our own profile tree which you can see here: http://gitorious.org/neuvoo/overlay/trees/master
[14:56] <viridior> by default /etc/make.conf should only contain CHOST="armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi"
[14:56] <gregoiregentil> ok
[14:56] <viridior> we building a modular profile structure so users will be able to eventually select which 'features' they want which will then turn on the appropriate USE flags
[14:57] <viridior> err... we are
[14:58] <viridior> err... probably will also contain EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--usepkg" and PORTAGE_BINHOST="/path/to/neuvoo/binrepo" so binary package installation is on by default
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[16:38] <viridior> gregoiregentil: for licensing, is your kernel GPL-2?
[16:38] <gregoiregentil> yes
[16:38] * viridior is making the ebuild
[16:38] <viridior> k
[16:39] <viridior> ill show you the ebuild before I post so you can get final chop and make sure its right
[16:39] <viridior> 2010.01a uses 2.6.32?
[16:40] <viridior> forget off the top of my head
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[16:48] <mervaka> gregoiregentil: have there been any software changes made to the mouse section of the bottom board?
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> mouse section: what do you main?
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> viridior: 2.6.29
[16:49] <mervaka> you sent me a new rev1.5 board to fix some broken switches, but the touchpad and buttons are unresponsive :(
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> s/main/mean
[16:49] <viridior> gregoiregentil: thx
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> unresonsponsive: not working at all?
[16:49] <mervaka> ya
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> no, there isn't any modification in software
[16:49] <mervaka> stick the old r1.2 board in, works fine
[16:49] <mervaka> hmm
[16:49] <gregoiregentil> strange...
[16:50] <mervaka> keyboard picks up fine
[16:50] <gregoiregentil> you should open the case
[16:50] <gregoiregentil> and take a look if the flex is well connected.
[16:50] <mervaka> i've sent an email to john
[16:50] <gregoiregentil> with two bottom, you can perhaps make work perfectly one...
[16:50] <mervaka> hmm
[16:51] <mervaka> my SMT skills are far from great
[16:51] <mervaka> any way of debugging this from tbos?
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[16:57] <viridior> gregoiregentil: i noticed while using AI kernel on our Gentoo images that I needed to copy over /etc/Wireless and /lib/{firmware,modules} what is the best way to get these?
[16:59] <viridior> i normally unpacked a rootfs image and manually pulled them, but we probably shouldn't do that in the ebuild
[17:05] <gregoiregentil> you need to port the wifi recipe into an ebuild
[17:05] <viridior> gregoiregentil: separating touchbook patches from the beagle in the kernel would help too ;)
[17:05] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/ralink/rt3070_2.1.2.0.bb
[17:05] <viridior> gregoiregentil: ok
[17:07] <viridior> huh, didn't realize .bb were so similar to .ebuilds
[17:14] <viridior> gregoiregentil: i thought you kept a modules.tar.gz for your kernels?
[17:14] <viridior> only see uImage anymore
[17:15] <tommd> viridior: bitbake started as a customization of emerge.
[17:17] <viridior> makes sense
[17:25] <Sn0wman_Desk> greogoiregentil: alexandre sent me an email back about my keyboard but he's asking for my order number which I don't have... what should I do?
[17:29] <gregoiregentil> give him the email address you ordered your Touch Book
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[17:35] <viridior> i need to go ahead and get that video cable too :/
[17:36] <Sn0wman_Desk> I guess I've never made this really clear, I got my TB off of ebay like new and the order info never got passed down
[17:41] <Sn0wman_Desk> what should I do then gregoire? I still have all of the original packaging
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[18:23] <gregoiregentil> Sn0wman_Desk: it's fine - I told John and Alexandre
[18:49] <viridior> gregoiregentil: first draft, http://dpaste.com/149289/
[18:49] <viridior> its missing the modules install, need to figure out how we are going to manage that
[18:51] <gregoiregentil> good
[19:13] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: thanks, it's all settled now
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[21:39] <Sn0wman_Desk> has anyone had anyproblems with A/V sync in flash playback?
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