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[3:22] <ehamberg> tommd: saw your blog on reddit. i haven't got 6.12 to compile myself, and don't have much time these days. :)
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[6:15] <vti_> just received my touchbook in berlin! i've been waiting since july :)
[6:21] <Corsac> \o/
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[7:03] <krylen> vti_: That rocks! congrats
[7:04] <vti_> krylen: yeah, thanks, i hope it rocks too :)
[7:05] <krylen> lol
[7:06] <krylen> kinda depressing for me though, I guess I won't be getting my touchbook anytime soon :p
[7:06] <vti_> krylen: why?
[7:09] <krylen> Only ordered it like a week or two ago
[7:10] <krylen> I was hoping to have it in time for a show coming up (going to use it as a control surface for extra awesomeness) but that was really a pipe dream I guess
[7:10] <vti_> i guess now it should be faster
[7:10] <krylen> I hope so, I understand they were featured in a Linux Journal, which I'm sure caused a spike in sales
[7:10] <vti_> ye, geek device
[7:11] <krylen> oh totally!
[7:11] <krylen> I can't wait to start fiddling with it and writing stuff for it
[7:12] <krylen> but at first I'll just cheat and X11 forward everything :)
[7:17] <krylen> vti_: any specific plans for yours?
[7:18] <vti_> don't know yet, i just don't beleive it is here yet :)
[7:18] <krylen> lol
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[7:41] <MikeEvans> krylen: you'll have to do some fiddling first - Dropbear doesn't support X11 forwarding, as I found out to my surprise
[7:42] <MikeEvans> however I started up the Ubuntu installation on the tb the other day and installed openssh and that worked just fine so I was about to see if openssh is available in the repos for ai's os
[7:42] <vti_> can't you install openssh?
[7:43] <MikeEvans> vti_: I should be able to report back on that in 10 mins or so :)
[7:43] <krylen> MikeEvans: Thanks for the heads up, I didn't reailze dropbear was running on it, nor did I realize dropbear did not support X11 forwarding
[7:44] <MikeEvans> no -X option anyway
[7:44] <krylen> I mean, you can still do it the old fashioned way and not bother with sending through ssh
[7:44] <MikeEvans> this would require too much dredging of the memory banks - ssh -X is so automatic for me these days
[7:45] <mjr> also technically you can do X forwarding by manually spesifying the port forward and arraging for auth, but that's cumbersome
[7:45] <mjr> certainly easier to use openssh
[7:46] <krylen> lol, I know how you feel, but for a quick hack, I don't care. And if openssh installs easily, then I'll just put the openssh client on there
[7:46] <vti_> MikeEvans: did you have any problems installing ubuntu? how about 3d sensor and all that special stuff?
[7:47] <MikeEvans> I literally got my tb last weekend so it came with 2010-01.a Ubuntu is already present - you just have to know about the 'secret' boot menu
[7:47] <krylen> "secret" boot menu you say?
[7:47] <vti_> i have the same, what's 'secret' boot menu?
[7:48] <MikeEvans> you know when it boots from scratch and shows the AI logo on a 'red' screen for a while without doing anything - before the progress bar starts to move?
[7:48] <vti_> ye
[7:49] <MikeEvans> put your finger on the touchscreen at that point
[7:49] <vti_> oh
[7:49] <vti_> nice
[7:49] <vti_> thanks :D
[7:49] <vti_> chrome os, android
[7:49] <MikeEvans> quite
[7:50] <MikeEvans> how did they manage to squeeze all /that/ on the SSD?
[7:50] <MikeEvans> clever guys
[7:51] <krylen> seriously? it's coming with Chrome OS and Android by default?
[7:52] <MikeEvans> hmm ipkg says openssh conflicts with dropbear - I guess that means I have to remove dropbear first
[7:52] <vti_> krylen: trying ubuntu right now
[7:52] <krylen> MikeEvans: see if you can install just openssh-client
[7:52] <krylen> I don't know if that package is provided
[7:52] <MikeEvans> ah - good point
[7:52] <krylen> but it is on many other distros
[7:53] <MikeEvans> ipgk list | grep openssh-client returns no results
[7:53] <krylen> rats
[7:53] <krylen> perhaps I'll make a package for that when I get mine
[7:54] <MikeEvans> ah - but there is a package called openssh-ssh
[7:54] <MikeEvans> and another called openssh-sshd
[7:54] <krylen> ah-ha!
[7:55] <krylen> wow, four OS's on an 8gig SD card, squashfs is amazing
[7:55] <krylen> it must have gotten even better since I last used it
[7:56] <MikeEvans> that is just so impressive isn't it?
[7:56] <krylen> incredibly!
[7:56] <vti_> krylen: android works!
[7:56] <MikeEvans> I've not tried android - just ai and ubuntu
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[7:57] <krylen> I think the whole squashfs -> overlay -> ext3 was a brillient design from the get go "oops I b0rked my box" mkfs.ext3 "factory defaults!"
[7:57] <krylen> wow! incredible!
[7:57] <MikeEvans> ubuntu worked with the touchscreen, but didn't have anything automatic for the accellerometers
[7:57] <krylen> That shouldn't be too hard to fix
[7:57] <MikeEvans> having said that - I've switched that off in the ai-os as it almost always doesn't do what I want
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[7:58] <krylen> accellerometers are a cool extra, but not what I really care about :)
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[7:59] <vti_> looks like android is confused with tb screen resolution a it
[7:59] <vti_> *a bit
[7:59] <MikeEvans> say I use eog to view some photos and one is portrait - I turn the screen round - the the bloody automatic thing kicks in and turns it back the wrong way! pah!
[7:59] <krylen> LOL
[8:07] <MikeEvans> yay - ipkg install openssh-ssh did the trick - I now have X11 forwarding in ai-os. Thanks for the input guys(/gals)
[8:08] <krylen> MikeEvans: awesome! Thanks for the confirmation
[8:09] <vti_> MikeEvans: there is a mini usb port close to power in the screen, can it be used for charging?
[8:10] <MikeEvans> oh - that I don't know - you mean charging the tb I presume
[8:10] <vti_> well, probably i have to buy us->ue converter anyway
[8:10] <mjr> afaik no, also, I asked about the possibility of charging the TB with a lesser current earlier in the forums somewhere and the outlook wasn't so good
[8:10] <vti_> *us->eu
[8:11] <MikeEvans> there's a 5V input right next to it so that would be the official way to charge the tablet only
[8:12] <MikeEvans> I bought a .uk->us converter from amazon for ??0.95 inc postage
[8:13] <vti_> that's cheap :D
[8:13] <vti_> how are they called?
[8:14] <MikeEvans> the only problem is I'm planning on travelling to Thailand Laos and Australia next month so I'm going to have to do something ugly with my international to UK kit _and_ the uk->us converter
[8:16] <MikeEvans> inflation! it's gone up! http://tinyurl.com/ycnzv8y
[8:16] <vti_> the default adaptor supports 240V, so i guess no power convertion needed, just the connection part
[8:16] <MikeEvans> yup - it's just a matter of which shaped pins you have
[8:20] <MikeEvans> my next mission is to get some sort of video display working on the touchbook - not had any luck with that yet so if anyone has clues please point me in the right direction
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[8:25] <krylen> video display? what do you mean exactly?
[8:26] <MikeEvans> I mean that I don't get any joy with youtube or the news sites for example
[8:26] <MikeEvans> I guess I should check the plugins on firefox - I was sort of expecting midori not to cope
[8:28] <MikeEvans> there was a suggestion on the forum about an MPlayer setting - I've done that but no effect
[8:28] <krylen> really? I thought they said youtube and hulu at least
[8:29] <krylen> *were working
[8:29] <MikeEvans> some people have reported success so it's either a 2010.01 issue or I've accidentally messed something up
[8:29] <krylen> hrm, interesting
[8:30] <Corsac> will try to check tonight
[8:30] <krylen> I take it no flash player on ARM, so they are using some kinds of hacks to get the flv files to download to /tmp where they can be played by whatever
[8:30] <Corsac> native flash is not possible so there are tweaks
[8:30] <Corsac> krylen: something like that yes
[8:30] <Corsac> (though there is a flash player for arm, just not available on the touchbook)
[8:31] <Corsac> the non-free, adobe one I mean
[8:31] <Corsac> gnash and swfdec are available
[8:32] <MikeEvans> Corsac: is there a guide to setup somewhere?
[8:33] <Corsac> no idea
[8:33] <Corsac> did you try the wiki?
[8:33] <Corsac> (though I think it should be correctly setup by default)
[8:33] <Corsac> I'll try to check this evening
[8:34] <MikeEvans> yes - but search on that thing isn't always successful
[8:35] <MikeEvans> well for example - say I wanted to hear gregoires outragous accent one more time :) the gallery page on alwaysinnovating.com shows me white blanks where the youtube inserts should be
[8:35] <MikeEvans> that's from firefox
[8:35] <MikeEvans> and there doesn't seem to be a handler set up in preferences->applications
[8:41] <MikeEvans> this page on the WiKi suggests everything should be ok: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Browser
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[8:52] <Corsac> http://misadigital.com/index.html
[8:53] <MikeEvans> oh dear - that's going to be an 'I WANT ONE' isn't it
[8:56] <MikeEvans> fortunately (for me) I _like_ the sound of an ordinary acoustic guitar
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[9:34] <gregoiregentil> MikeEvans: Thanks ;-) Don't worry, we are about to put more demo videos on the website...
[9:35] <MikeEvans> heh - I love your accent - I just can't get to see the videos via my touchbook yet
[9:36] <MikeEvans> I think the plugins must not be configured out of the box and I've not had time to work out how to do it
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[9:47] <gregoiregentil> If you click on the link and go to the Youtube page, it should work
[9:48] <MikeEvans> gregoiregentil: I don't get a link: in firefox the videos show as a blank white area. In Chromium they are invisible. I think in midori they are black boxes.
[9:49] <gregoiregentil> Which version do you have?
[9:49] <MikeEvans> 2010.10.a
[9:50] <MikeEvans> correction - midori - white boxes, no link
[9:51] <dpb> 2010.10? wow. you come from the future?
[9:51] <MikeEvans> no - I have finger trouble :)
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[10:24] <gregoiregentil> I'm adding a "youtube direct link" below the videos so that it can work on the Touch Book. It will be onlin later today
[10:42] <MikeEvans> good idea - thanks, I'll try them out and let you know
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[12:18] <MikeEvans> gregoiregentil: I can confirm that the new direct links appear in midori, and that if I follow them the youtube video does display. It is a little jerky, and the sound synchronisation is not perfect - but it works. Hurrah!
[12:19] <gregoiregentil> Cool!
[12:21] <MikeEvans> also working in firefox
[12:24] <MikeEvans> is there likely to be a solution to seeing the embeded videos, or at least knowing what the youtube URL is for other sites so that one can go direct?
[12:25] <gregoiregentil> yes and no
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[12:26] <gregoiregentil> it would be possible to improve the extension that does the replacement and extend it to any youtube video even if there are not on a youtube website
[12:26] <gregoiregentil> but 1) it will take some time to improve this feature
[12:26] <gregoiregentil> 2) it will stress a little bit more the system when page loads which I'm not sure that I want to do
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[12:55] <MikeEvans> gregoiregentil: thanks for the reply. Sorry for the delay (I'm cooking dinner too!) it's an interesting problem.
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[13:31] <azaghal> gregoiregentil: Would you happen to be available for a moment or two?
[13:33] <gregoiregentil> sure.
[13:33] <gregoiregentil> I'm now
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[13:44] <javaJake> gregoiregentil: ping
[13:44] <gregoiregentil> javaJake: pong
[13:45] <MikeEvans> The old jokes are still the best ones
[13:45] <javaJake> gregoiregentil: was curious what the purpose of this patch was: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg-1.7.3/Xorg-performance.patch
[13:45] <javaJake> gregoiregentil: it appears it does nothing, since "if 0" is always true.
[13:45] <gregoiregentil> it removes some code
[13:45] <gregoiregentil> so that xorg is not using shadow.
[13:46] <gregoiregentil> it slows down the system when rotating. fbshadow keeps a memory copy of the rotated screen
[13:46] <javaJake> Is "if 0" true, then?
[13:46] <gregoiregentil> and the driver supports natively rotation
[13:46] <gregoiregentil> let me check
[13:47] <javaJake> It would make much more sense if it is, so I could be mistaken.
[13:47] <gregoiregentil> the patch seems correct to me
[13:48] <gregoiregentil> it just replaces the "if (!RRTransformCompute ...." by "if (TRUE)"
[13:48] <javaJake> Duh. 0 is false in C.
[13:48] <gregoiregentil> yes.
[13:48] <gregoiregentil> so it's virtually commenting the test
[13:49] <javaJake> Any plans on submitting a fix upstream?
[13:49] <gregoiregentil> it's a hack/platform-specific patch. I don't think that it will be accepted
[13:50] <viridior> any testing on how it improves performance on embedded system?
[13:50] <viridior> it makes sense that it will, just curious
[13:50] <gregoiregentil> yes. it improves a lot
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[15:34] <javaJake> Gary13579: ??
[15:34] <Gary13579> (was missing a /, sorry)
[15:34] <javaJake> Oh OK :)
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[23:39] <FIN__Master> Shit. My tb charger is broken. Worked fine for a few months and now nothing :(
[23:40] <frznlogic> you should be able to pick something up in a good electronics store
[23:40] <frznlogic> i got one from kjell o co in sweden
[23:41] <gregoiregentil> If it's just the charger, we can send you a new one
[23:41] <frznlogic> *grin* having company reps in channel also makes a difference :)
[23:42] <FIN__Master> It seems to be just the charger as my voltage meter shows 0 while plugged in
[23:42] <FIN__Master> I'll try my friends charger when im able to since he has a tb too :)
[23:43] <frznlogic> greg while youre here, is the sourrce code for crazy tanks released somewhere or is it closed source?
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[23:50] <frznlogic> work
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