#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-15

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[1:07] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, it appears one of our volunteers set a network ban which were way too wide last night in an attempt to deal with the current attacks; as a result a truckload of genuine users have been banned from the network, with a misleading and unhelpful message. For more information please enable +w in your client. Apologies for the inconvenience, we'll try tidy up after them now.
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[5:10] <Corsac> DJWillis: do you know about smartreflex?
[5:20] <_koen_> you need ES3.1 or better to use SR
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[5:24] <torpor> what is smart reflex?
[5:25] <_koen_> torpor: after the silicon is produced it is measured and fuses are programmed with the test results
[5:26] <Corsac> _koen_: es3.1?
[5:26] <_koen_> torpor: the powermanagement IC can read out those values and adjust voltages
[5:26] <_koen_> Corsac: omap revision
[5:26] <Corsac> ok
[5:26] <Corsac> and which version does the tb have? :)
[5:26] <_koen_> torpor: so the PMIC can decided to run 600MHz at 1.25V instead of 1.30V
[5:27] <_koen_> Corsac: check the bootlog, there might be different revisions in use
[5:27] <_koen_> I suspect ES3.0, but gregoire would know best
[5:28] <Corsac> yeah but I'm not in front and it's booted to AIOS where I didn't install ssh yet :)
[5:36] <torpor> _koen_, wow that is quite interesting.
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[7:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> ERROR: '/OE/ai.openembedded.dev/recipes/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.3.3.bb' failed
[7:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> ERROR: '/OE/ai.openembedded.dev/recipes/qemu/qemu-native_0.10.3.bb' failed
[7:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> ? get those errors when I try to bitbake the ai-daemon
[7:31] <Sn0wman_Desk> rather a lot of those types of errors
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[7:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> I'm re-giting a clone of the tree to see if that'll help
[7:39] <Corsac> if you don't give use the errors, it might be tricky to get help
[7:39] <Corsac> (bitbake should give you paths to error logs)
[7:40] <Sn0wman_Desk> well I just find it odd that it wouldn't build. I followed the "build the OS" page exactly
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[8:28] <sn0wman> and also i just got the tree again and im trying to build again
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[8:30] <mkxxxc> hi all
[8:30] <Sn0wman_Desk> hey
[8:31] <mkxxxc> any thing changed after christmas ? Better software, hardware, solutions?
[8:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> the newest version is a fair amount better
[8:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> though I've had some problems with my tablet battery with the newest version
[8:34] <mkxxxc> works noticable faster ?
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[8:36] <mkxxxc> works noticable faster ?
[8:36] <Sn0wman_TB> ehhh little bit. depends which part ur talking about
[8:36] <mkxxxc> ok\
[8:39] <mkxxxc> and what about stability? II have not read anything from a few months
[8:49] <Sn0wman_TB> oh sorry its still only kinda stable
[8:51] <mkxxxc> Im thinking about buying it but I wos abroud for a month , spend some money and now I hawe to pay 2months bills eh
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[8:56] <Sn0wman_TB> well i like it and it does media great and itll only get better
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[10:31] <Sn0wman_> is there a way to reset which files bitbake has done because when I try to bitbake something I've already BB'd, it just skips them
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[11:13] <Falciron> Has anybody seen anything posted in the forums about a "screen brightening, then fade, then standby" sort of issue?
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[11:23] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: how can I remove the hibernate and sleep buttons on the logoff Ubuntu screen? Where is the option stored for xfce-utils or xfce-session?
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[11:28] <Falciron> From the graphical viewpoint, aren't those in Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Selection Sessions and Startup?
[11:28] <Falciron> Should be some checkboxes to remove the two.
[11:29] <gregoiregentil> Probably. I was looking for the inner setting as I want to integrate this in my automatic Ubuntu build. But thanks for the feed-back
[11:29] <gregoiregentil> I can still take a look but it was faster to ask Corsac!
[11:29] <Falciron> Ah, yeah. I'll look for that.
[11:31] <gregoiregentil> Also, if anybody wants to help on Ubuntu fine tuning, that would be great.
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[11:31] <gregoiregentil> There will be a better Ubuntu release from AI next week with rotation support
[11:31] <Sn0wman_> what needs to be done?
[11:31] <gregoiregentil> I heard that sound is not yet well supported
[11:31] <gregoiregentil> it's probably just a missing setting somewhere
[11:32] <gregoiregentil> you have all my Ubuntu-building script here: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.ubuntu
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[11:40] <Sn0wman_> hey gregoiregentil: my 0 and 1 keys don't work on my keyboard...
[11:41] <Sn0wman_> sorry 1 and 2
[11:41] <Sn0wman_> and its the keyboard not the TB because it doesn't work if I put it in downward dog or normal
[11:42] <Falciron> That was a problem with my colon/semi-colon key. Did you try removing it and seeing if you could activate the button underneath the key?
[11:42] <Sn0wman_> no h/o
[11:43] <Sn0wman_> should it just pop off?
[11:43] <Falciron> Yeah. Be careful, though.
[11:43] <Falciron> If it works, but requires an unreasonable amount of pressure, they told me to send mine back in.
[11:44] <Sn0wman_> nm something just made it work
[11:44] <Falciron> Sweet. Hopefully it doesn't keep occurring.
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> keyboards always a sensitive hardware part
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[11:45] <Sn0wman_> am I pretty much screwed if I don't have my information that I used to buy it? because I don't have my shipping info or account or order number or anything
[11:46] <gregoiregentil> I think that everybody in the chat room and at AI know who you are
[11:46] <Sn0wman_> hehe alrighty thank god
[11:46] <gregoiregentil> you are Steve at Cupertino thinking about his next product!
[11:47] <Sn0wman_> huh? :-)
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[11:48] <Falciron> Gregoire, if I sent my Touch Book back to get a key fixed, is there any way that I could get the whole system tested again? I could pay for the process, I think.
[11:49] <Sn0wman_Desk> who is steve at cupertino?
[11:49] <Falciron> Apple
[11:49] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh jobs
[11:49] <Falciron> And thus, you're looking for how to build a quality tablet, seeking inspiration from the Touch Book.
[11:50] <Sn0wman_Desk> ahhhhhhh ok
[11:50] <Sn0wman_Desk> gotcha
[11:51] <Sn0wman_Desk> it made me so mad, at CES Levono had an almost exact copy of the TB
[11:52] <Falciron> Pssh. There's no way they can copy the top-heavy design.
[11:52] <Sn0wman_Desk> hurray for sarcasm
[11:52] <Sn0wman_Desk> :-)
[11:52] <Sn0wman_Desk> lol
[11:52] <Sn0wman_Desk> but they said it would be around $1000 running CE
[11:53] <Falciron> Ish. Less battery life as well, I'd guess.
[11:53] <Sn0wman_Desk> yup
[11:54] <Sn0wman_Desk> I like the TB for affordability and the excellent media playback. Once it gets some faster html parsing in the browsers and a smoother UI, it will be 110% perfect
[11:54] <Falciron> Yup.
[11:54] <Falciron> I kind of wish Google would figure out the multi-touch thing, since Apple couldn't have patented all of the methods.
[11:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> yah that is true
[11:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> y did apple have to be a douche and patent that
[11:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> they already have metric shitloads of money
[11:55] <Falciron> I'd imagine they're imperial, as they're still in the US.
[11:56] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh and gregoire, why did you decide to go with a resistive touch screen over a capacitive for multi touch?
[11:56] <gregoiregentil> too expensive right now
[11:56] <gregoiregentil> and technology was not ready last year
[11:56] <Sn0wman_Desk> maybe in the TB2? :-)
[11:57] <gregoiregentil> maybe ;-)
[11:58] <Sn0wman_Desk> and I cannot for the life of me find out why my tablet's battery won't charge. it will in the keyboard though
[11:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> I guess I'll try charging in ubuntu
[11:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh does ubu have an on-screen keyboard?
[11:59] <Falciron> That bit's kind of why I'd like a checkup. Random quirks that don't seem to be the same on every piece of hardware.
[12:00] <Falciron> It should.
[12:00] <Falciron> As part of the accessibility suite.
[12:01] <Sn0wman_Desk> where is that
[12:01] <Falciron> Go to System > Preferences > Assistive Tech
[12:01] <Falciron> If it's not already in the accesories.
[12:02] <Falciron> Accessories, sorry.
[12:03] <Falciron> See anything?
[12:03] <Sn0wman_Desk> we are talking about 2010 release a ubuntu correct?
[12:04] <Falciron> As long as Ubuntu's on the release, it should be there.
[12:04] <Falciron> It's been a part of Ubuntu since at least 6.10.
[12:08] <Sn0wman_Desk> nope
[12:08] <Sn0wman_Desk> surprisingly
[12:08] <Falciron> Hm.
[12:08] <Sn0wman_Desk> its in a package called xvkbd
[12:08] <Sn0wman_Desk> installing now
[12:08] <Falciron> Have to love huge repos.
[12:08] <Sn0wman_Desk> does the ubu release have preconfigured apt to use the angstrom repos?
[12:09] <Falciron> That I don't know.
[12:09] <Falciron> Do you know how to check the repos? Mine's charging at the moment.
[12:10] <Falciron> System > Administration > Software Sources
[12:10] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh I just check the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:10] <Falciron> Should hopefully list what's packaged.
[12:11] <Sn0wman_Desk> I guess same thing
[12:16] <Falciron> Logging off for today. Enjoy the testing.
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[12:20] <tommd> Falciron: I haven't heard of such an issue... and you are not in the room right now.
[12:22] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe
[12:22] <Sn0wman_Desk> Are there any plans to add the DSP acceration to ubuntu?
[12:24] <tommd> I'm still wondering what will happen with these closed source bits from TI. It would be nice if I could actually run the "bitbake ai-image" command and get an "sd-card.gz" out.
[12:24] <gregoiregentil> yes. but not in this coming release
[12:25] <tommd> gregoiregentil: Did you get my note about checking if the GPS usb device is already plugging in at boot time?
[12:25] <gregoiregentil> tommd: yes, I agree, this private folder is very painful
[12:25] <tommd> I can make a ticket if you want, but thought it might be a quick thing for you.
[12:25] <Sn0wman_Desk> actually do you have the modified mplayer ipk file
[12:25] <gregoiregentil> tommd: No. I'm slightly changing the script to recognize/launch GPS
[12:26] <tommd> ok
[12:26] <gregoiregentil> there will be a menu entry to launch tangogps which also will take care of starting gpsd
[12:26] <Sn0wman_Desk> hold on. what had to be modified for the DSP to be enabled? the kernel or the program?
[12:26] <gregoiregentil> but btw, I have a problem and you may be able to to help
[12:26] <gregoiregentil> both
[12:27] <gregoiregentil> the problem is how can I know which /dev/ttyUSB? is the one corresponding
[12:27] <gregoiregentil> to GPS
[12:27] <Sn0wman_Desk> why don't you use the ai kernel in the ubu release and just compile the modified mplayer to a dpkg?
[12:27] <gregoiregentil> I was doing amazing testing in my car yesterday with both GPS and #G dongle
[12:27] <gregoiregentil> it was so cool to have google maps in the car on a big screen with my position
[12:27] <tommd> gregoiregentil: I don't know of a solution without reading the stream and determining it is/is not a GPS device spitting out some sort of NMEA.
[12:27] <Sn0wman_Desk> how much do external gps dongles cost?
[12:28] <gregoiregentil> but I had to hack my own script because 3G dongle were using ttyUSB[0-2]
[12:28] <tommd> gregoiregentil: I thought the same thing - watched myself go to the doctors and back yesterday :-)
[12:28] <tommd> Sn0wman_Desk: ~$30
[12:28] <gregoiregentil> but then in the bash script, how can I cat /dev/ttyUSB* and detects if it's GPS or something else
[12:28] <gregoiregentil> any idea to do that?
[12:28] <DJWillis> Sn0wman_Desk: in the UK USB serial GPS dongles are not very much at all, ??20 tops for a good one.
[12:28] <tommd> I have a canmore - its slightly larger than others but it records tracks without being plugged in (small battery + storage is internal to the device)
[12:29] <tommd> gregoiregentil: I'll think on it for a bit.
[12:29] <Sn0wman_Desk> jeeze how many years do you guys have working with linux?
[12:29] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: a little playing with the USB id's to get an idea if it looks like the right choice, may fall over if you have other USB>Serial IC's on the USB chain.
[12:30] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/commit/?id=89de9c278508b23bdf5e6546f2b7abd77134df03
[12:31] <gregoiregentil> I don't know. Those 3G and GPS dongles are using the same driver. and there is very little information to know what it is
[12:31] <gregoiregentil> Even detecting an AT&T from a Verizon 3G dongle is a pain
[12:32] <tommd> Sn0wman_Desk: Since just before freshman year of my undergraduate.
[12:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> how old are you then?
[12:32] <tommd> Can't remember
[12:32] <tommd> 27? 28?
[12:32] <tommd> ;-)
[12:32] <Sn0wman_Desk> jeeze so thats bout 6-8 years?
[12:33] <Sn0wman_Desk> no
[12:33] <tommd> 10
[12:33] <Sn0wman_Desk> wow
[12:33] <tommd> I started college when I was 18
[12:33] <Sn0wman_Desk> teehee I was 5
[12:33] <tommd> Sn0wman_Desk: I'm going to be a Dad soon - could be today - so don't remind me how old I have became. I used to say exactly that to people.
[12:34] <tommd> :-)
[12:34] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe sorry
[12:36] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: considered just setting up gpsd to play nice with udev? and take some big distros gpsd rules that do some of the hard work with polling the serial chip to see whats on the end.
[12:36] <DJWillis> tommd: oh, congradulations :-o
[12:37] <tommd> Thanks!
[12:43] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: something like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/gpsd/karmic/annotate/head%3A/gpsd.rules could be used to get gpsd playing nice with udev but out the box I seem to recall the udev bit is broken and needs a few config tweaks.
[12:45] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: that is of course a massive hack but I guess without telling udev to call a script to see what the serial chip may have on the end that's about as good as it may get.
[12:48] <tommd> DJWillis: I think it would be even better if you could run gpsd based on the manufacturer ID on the USB device.
[12:48] <tommd> and product ID too, of coarse
[12:48] <DJWillis> Gah! sometimes Ti really manage to take a pain in the arse process and just make it harder :(. They really don't want me to get the latest SGX drivers as they just kindly authorised me for the lastest drivers and then the 'Manage download' link goes to the older version :o. Doh!
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[12:49] <DJWillis> tommd: but they are all going to be the ID's of the generic USB Serial IC (from Prolific and friends).
[12:50] <tommd> Yes, I see that after just plugging mine in. I was under the mistaken impression that they would be distinct while still using the same driver.
[12:50] <DJWillis> tommd: nope, as the GPS is just a serial device downstream from the generic conversion I/C
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[12:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> gregoiregentil: is the disability to charge the tablet while it is not on a hardware or software disability?
[12:55] <gregoiregentil> not sure what's your problem. Can you send a detailed separate report by email?
[12:56] <Sn0wman_Desk> sure, what's your email? gregoiregentil@ai.com ?
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[13:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> this kind of stuff makes me mad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhSXqY_kcXc
[13:59] <Sn0wman_Desk> it is the touch book exactly but it costs more and not designed very well component-wise
[14:05] <tommd1> Thats why I don't have flash
[14:05] <Sn0wman_Desk> why?
[14:06] <tommd1> youtube, security, time sink
[14:06] <tommd1> oh, and sanity - which is what I ment by 'youtube'
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[14:20] <viridior> gregoiregentil: ping
[14:20] <ZeXx86> Hi .. Can I find in touchbook classic beagleboard ?
[14:20] <tommd> Gnip!
[14:20] <tommd> ZeXx86: No, this is not a beagleboard - same hardware to a huge extent but this is a custom PCB.
[14:21] <ZeXx86> ah, thanks
[14:21] <ZeXx86> Are there some plans for touchbook with arm cortex a9 ?
[14:22] <tommd> Is that an OMAP?
[14:22] <viridior> yes
[14:22] <viridior> successor to armv7a cortex-a8 which we are using in the TB
[14:23] <ZeXx86> yeah, its e.g. used in new nexus one smartphone or Tegra 2
[14:23] <viridior> not completely true, but good enough for this discussion
[14:23] <tommd> Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see it continue to grow in the OMAP line as I bet TI has similar features (coprocessors) for each OMAP product. It would be more surprising to see it step out of the OMAP line and use a different ARM.
[14:24] <viridior> well, qualcomm and freescale have cortex-a8 lines but I'm not sure they are considered OMAP since they do make some changes from TI... i don't completely understand the differences
[14:24] <viridior> they are all armv7a, but not necessarily OMAP from my understanding
[14:25] <tommd> I'm reflecting on all the coprocessors (such as the DSP) TI throws on the OMAP line. How many would go away? How many that AI uses would go away? How much could would need to change?
[14:26] <ZeXx86> I love ARM boards and I want to buy one, but I cant find something comparable to beagleboard with ethernet and dvi/vga output :-B
[14:26] <viridior> tommd: cortex-a9 doesn't take anything off from the a8 line, it adds processors (multi-core)
[14:26] <tommd> Ahh - I see.
[14:26] <tommd> ZeXx86: Why do you need a built-in ethernet? If ethernet is critical you could use a USB dongle (even though that will cost you some CPU cycles).
[14:26] <viridior> ZeXx86: http://www.embedinfo.com/English/Product/devkit8000.asp
[14:27] <viridior> ZeXx86: http://www.gumstix.com/store/catalog/index.php?cPath=27_33
[14:27] <viridior> ZeXx86: http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika
[14:28] <viridior> you weren't looking hard enough... those were just off the top of my head, there are many more
[14:28] <viridior> not a good place to talk about non-TB related discussion, but there are things you can do with the TB to provide the capability you want
[14:30] <ZeXx86> viridior: thanks a lot
[14:30] <viridior> np, good place to start is wikipedia under ARM processor
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[14:32] <ZeXx86> Before some day ago I saw TB wikipedia but web page was too slow
[14:33] <ZeXx86> with some interrupts, so it was little bit irritable
[14:34] <ZeXx86> I am interested in TB especially when I am kernel developer
[14:36] <ZeXx86> I added basic support for ARM machines into my kernel but I need some real board.
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[14:42] <Govee> hi all
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[14:43] <Govee> just tried dsp bridge and link and niether work for .mp4.
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[14:46] <Govee> bridge complains that "** (totem:3863): WARNING **: Cannot load Python extension '/usr/lib/totem/plugins/dbus/dbus-service.totem-plugin', Totem was not compiled with Python support"
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[14:47] <viridior> that sucks
[14:48] <Govee> link complains "ai@touchbook:/home/ai$ sudo /etc/init.d/dsplink-init start
[14:48] <Govee> Starting dsplink
[14:48] <Govee> You are missing some conf in your kernel command line.
[14:48] <Govee> Please read http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/DSP_video."
[14:52] <Govee> nothing at the wiki indicates any steps to take.
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[14:55] <Sn0wman_Desk> well this blows, 1 and 2 keys went out again
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[15:37] <Sn0wman_Desk> why did like everyone mass-disconnect?
[15:39] <snlemons> netsplit?
[15:39] <Sn0wman_Desk> netsplit?
[15:40] <Sn0wman_Desk> about 20 minutes ago, everyone except 4 people left and then rejoined like 2 minutes later
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[15:44] <hyc> yes, that's a netsplit
[15:45] <hyc> IRC is a bunch of servers relaying to each other. sometimes a network link goes down
[15:45] <hyc> and the servers that can no longer see each other lose track of each other's users
[15:45] <Sn0wman_Desk> oh
[15:46] <hyc> they all rejoin in a mob when the servers reconnect
[15:46] <Sn0wman_Desk> alright, I assumed that an irc was just one server
[15:47] <hyc> nope. IRC == Internet RELAY Chat
[15:47] <hyc> many servers, relaying to each other...
[15:47] <Sn0wman_Desk> hehe. thought it meant it relays from client to client
[15:48] <hyc> that would be a peer-to-peer network, but IRC was invented before P2P became popular
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[15:48] <Sn0wman_Desk> it = server so it (server) relays from client to client... client -> server which relays to another client
[15:49] <hyc> that would never scale
[15:51] <Sn0wman_Desk> but I get it now
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[15:58] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: did you get your answer about sleep/hibernate stuff?
[15:59] <gregoiregentil> no ;-)
[16:02] <gregoiregentil> so any idea?
[16:03] <gregoiregentil> Have you tried Ubuntu on the Touch Book? I'm sure that you can fix the remaining bugs during your sleep. So easy for you. You are the supreme master
[16:03] <Corsac> :))
[16:04] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: the patch was submitted by ubuntu, it should not be too hard to remove the feature
[16:06] <gregoiregentil> strange. there is no setting to add / remove those options?
[16:06] <Corsac> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2672 was the initial bug
[16:07] <gregoiregentil> On Zonbu, I see a file xfce4-session.rc... with HibernateButton=false....
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> have_suspend = xfconf_channel_get_bool (channel, "/general/HaveSuspend", TRUE);
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> have_hibernate = xfconf_channel_get_bool (channel, "/general/HaveHibernate", TRUE);
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> so how can I put in my postprocess-inside.sh script the right echo "/general/HaveHibernate=false" > to the right file?
[16:09] <gregoiregentil> in other words, what's the command line to do an xfconf without UI?
[16:09] <Corsac> wait as sec, I'm trying the xfconf
[16:09] <Corsac> xfconf-query, but if you don't have running dbus it won't work
[16:09] <Corsac> but you can still put a config file
[16:09] <Corsac> just let me test it
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[16:11] <Corsac> hmhm, I don't have anything about havehibernate in xfce4-session sources
[16:13] <Corsac> and properties don't do anything
[16:14] <Corsac> unless it's an ubuntu specific patch
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[16:18] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, as you may be aware one of the reasons we're changing ircds is because hyperion attracts bugs like nectar does bees -- the recent splits were caused by software issues which I believe we have ironed out, and hyperion should just about manage to last us these last two weeks. Apologies for the inconvenience and good night!
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[16:26] <gregoiregentil> yes, I guess that it's a specific path to ubuntu
[16:27] <gregoiregentil> where are the default config files? I can add the option at the end
[16:45] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: add the option using:
[16:45] <Corsac> xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -p /general/HaveHibernate -n -t bool -s false
[16:45] <Corsac> then look in .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[16:45] <Corsac> tune it like you want
[16:46] <Corsac> and then either put it in /home/ai/.config/ or /etc/xdg/xfce4/xfconfig/...
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[17:35] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: Thanks! You are the man!
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[19:50] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: mirroring is implemented. http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/commit/?id=d4b2cf113c923ea86c04488850c32141cbe1e136
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> For everybody, we can now mirror the big squashfs to any address. So if you know any download *free* website, please let me know so that I can use to smooth the bandwidth of www.alwaysinnovating.com
[20:12] -LoRez- [Global Notice] Alright, I'm sure you've all seen the drones bringing the noise. If you all will take the time to +R your channels, they'll have a much harder time of it.
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[23:49] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: maybe try ftp.proxad.net people

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