#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-09

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[3:22] <Meiz_TB> Hi everyone
[3:24] <Meiz_TB> Does anyone use Ubuntu on TB the "standard way" ?
[3:26] <Meiz_TB> I am using the following: 30mb FAT, 7.9gb ext3 for ubuntu rootfs and 256mb swap.
[3:27] <Meiz_TB> And i have one problem: Internet connection only works for root user
[3:27] <Meiz_TB> And this happens with the multiboot kernels
[3:28] <Meiz_TB> Internet connection works normally with 2009-09.c kernel (which doesn't have the multiboot feature)
[3:30] <Meiz_TB> (Could Android having problems with wifi be related to this as well?)
[3:35] <dpb> how do you mean only works with root?
[3:36] <Meiz_TB> only root can access the internet
[3:36] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: are you in the correct groups?
[3:36] <Meiz_TB> yes
[3:37] <Corsac> or if it uses the policykit stuff, maybe there are other things to do
[3:37] <Corsac> let me try ubuntu
[3:37] <Meiz_TB> normal users can now irc and use browsers without any probems after downgrading the kernel
[3:38] <Meiz_TB> dpb, like, i open a browser window as a normal user. I can go nowhere.
[3:38] <Meiz_TB> sudo as a prefix, it works :/
[3:39] <dpb> I don't see how that would make users not be able to access the net..
[3:41] <Meiz_TB> I don't either, but i haven't found any better explanation so far
[3:42] <Meiz_TB> resolv.conf, hosts, hostname.. all have correct permmissions
[3:42] <Meiz_TB> i'm in the correct groups..
[3:43] <Meiz_TB> after a month of reinstalling and testing, suddenly, downgrading the kernel fixes everything
[3:47] <Corsac> dns resolve is ok, ping is ok, trying browser
[3:48] <Corsac> works fine
[3:48] <Corsac> using the stock ubuntu install on 2010.01a
[3:48] <Meiz_TB> ok thanks
[3:49] <Meiz_TB> leaves me still wondering what's wrong though..
[3:50] <Corsac> can't really help you there
[3:50] <Corsac> Meiz_TB: you did a manual install or you use the included one?
[3:50] <Meiz_TB> manual
[3:50] <Corsac> ha
[3:50] <Meiz_TB> i have never tested the included
[3:51] <Meiz_TB> and as i said above i don't even have the original partitioon structure
[3:51] <Corsac> then it should be exactly like a standard ubuntu install?
[3:51] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, yes
[3:51] <Meiz_TB> i guess
[3:51] <Corsac> weird :
[3:51] <Corsac> :/
[3:52] <Meiz_TB> i'll upgade the kernel again to test it for the 20th time..
[3:52] <Meiz_TB> brb
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[4:19] <Meiz_TB> http://pastebin.com/m5951afcd
[4:19] <Meiz_TB> :(
[4:20] <Meiz_TB> i have tested google public dns too
[4:25] <Corsac> can you ping the ip of your next gateway?
[4:25] <Corsac> to see what fails, name resolution or networking
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[4:38] <Meiz_TB> http://pastebin.com/m24db078
[4:38] <Meiz_TB> socket: Permission denied
[4:40] <Corsac> can you strace it?
[4:40] <Corsac> and ls -l /usr/bin/ping
[4:40] <Corsac> ping needs to be setuid so it might not exactly be the perfect test though
[4:41] <Corsac> hem, /bin/ping I mean
[4:41] <topi> lenovo showed an interesting smartbook based on the Snapdragon chip at 1GHz
[4:41] <topi> I wonder if Touch Book gets a working power management before Lenovo starts shipping ;)
[4:42] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, ubuntu@TouchBook:~$ ls -l /bin/ping
[4:42] <Meiz_TB> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 38816 2009-05-12 00:12 /bin/ping
[4:42] <Meiz_TB> ubuntu@TouchBook:~$
[4:44] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, i was unable to open (my ap setup page) in browser as well
[4:45] <Meiz_TB> so it seems to be a problem somehoe caused by my partitioon structure..
[4:46] <Corsac> I find that weird though
[4:46] <Corsac> can you strace?
[4:46] <Meiz_TB> what's that?
[4:48] <Meiz_TB> i don't know what's strace sorry
[4:51] <Corsac> strace ping <foo>
[4:51] <Corsac> (you might have to install it first, meaning you'll need to download it from elsewhere and put it on the tb, then dpkg -i it)
[4:53] <Meiz_TB> ok got it now
[4:54] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, http://pastebin.com/m1d1e7184
[4:54] <Corsac> well, you need to make it ping something :)
[4:55] <Meiz_TB> ah
[4:55] <Meiz_TB> :)
[4:57] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, http://pastebin.com/m4c4a3f24
[4:58] <Meiz_TB> this i son a working system
[4:58] <Corsac> ha yeah
[4:58] <Corsac> I was surprised :)
[4:58] <Corsac> I need that from the TB indeed
[4:59] <Meiz_TB> it's from the TB
[4:59] <Meiz_TB> i get the new kernel and try again
[4:59] <Meiz_TB> sec
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[5:07] <Meiz_TB> http://pastebin.com/m5e92f176
[5:07] <Meiz_TB> Corsac, ^
[5:13] <Corsac> ok
[5:13] <Corsac> rah
[5:13] <Corsac> please ping an ip
[5:14] <Corsac> and this is with 2010.01a kernel, correct?
[5:18] <Meiz_TB> yes
[5:23] <Corsac> can you paste the groups you're in?
[5:23] <Corsac> (id output is fine)
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[5:35] <Corsac> what's weird is that permission problems should usually be because of -EPERM, not -EACCESS
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[5:40] <Meizirkki> And now it's not booting
[5:40] <Meizirkki> sorry Corsac this is gonna take some time
[5:41] <Corsac> no problem, I have to run anyway
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[10:39] <azul_> hello
[10:41] <azul_> anybody?
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[10:58] <gregoiregentil> Meiz_TB: Still there?
[10:58] <gregoiregentil> It's due to the Android patches introduced in 2009-12.a...
[10:58] <gregoiregentil> YOu need to add an Android group to which the user belongs
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[11:02] <gregoiregentil> Actually, it's more Meizirkki ping?
[11:03] <Corsac> arf
[11:11] <Meizirkki> hi
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> Hello
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> So you are the one with the no connection problem on the user only?
[11:12] <Meizirkki> yup
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> Fixed now? just create an android group
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> and add user to it. IT's a problem introduced with the Android patches. It took us (me and hyc) one week to figure out :-(
[11:13] <Sn0wman> in the wiki about building the OS, what is eog?
[11:13] <Meizirkki> I don't have ubuntu installed anymore :D but i'll try as soon as i reinstall it
[11:14] <gregoiregentil> eye of gnome
[11:14] <gregoiregentil> it's a small and good application to view images
[11:14] <Sn0wman> ah alright thanks
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[11:17] <Sn0wman> when I try to compile anything with bitbake, I get "sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database"
[11:19] <Sn0wman> and I have no idea what to do
[11:23] <Sn0wman> I followed the setup verbatim
[11:25] <gregoiregentil> strange then
[11:25] <Sn0wman> I'll follow it again on a fresh machine and let you know
[11:25] <gregoiregentil> are you sure that you have all the packages? Are you on Ubuntu host?
[11:25] <Sn0wman> yes, I have all the packages and ubu 9.10
[11:26] <gregoiregentil> very strange. I konw that it's working (it supposed to) as I have done it myself on a clean Ubuntu machine
[11:26] <Sn0wman> well I'll try again, and btw, why do you have "exit" at the end of every set of commands?
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[11:32] <azul_> so, gregoire, what about that next shipment of counterbalnce pieces ?
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[11:35] <gregoiregentil> azul_: we sent 98% requests of the counterbalance pieces
[11:35] <gregoiregentil> all new batches have them already.
[11:35] <gregoiregentil> I know that there were a few requests left. Alexandre will process them next week
[11:36] <gregoiregentil> so I guess that you are in those requests
[11:36] <Sn0wman> hey I don't have my order number any more, is there any way I can still get counterbalances?
[11:36] <gregoiregentil> TomMD-TB: Ping?
[11:36] <azul_> ok cool
[11:36] <gregoiregentil> Snowman: Sure. Send an email to Alexandre or better fill the form on the web
[11:36] <gregoiregentil> it's one of the forums announcements
[11:37] <gregoiregentil> try to do it this week-end as it will be probably processed on Monday
[11:37] <Sn0wman> alright
[11:37] <Sn0wman> what is Alexandre's email?
[11:37] <TomMD-TB> greg: here, but uSing CW - so slow typing
[11:38] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/company/counterbalance.htm
[11:40] <azul_> what position do you suggest the pieces to go?
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[11:40] <azul_> 1 in the middle or 2 on each side?
[11:40] <Sn0wman> ummm what should I put for the order number then?
[11:41] <gregoiregentil> 2 on each side
[11:41] <gregoiregentil> try to find your order number
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[11:41] <gregoiregentil> otherwise put a fake (Alexandre is used to see fake orders on this page as people are lazy to find their order number)
[11:41] <Sn0wman> it's long gone, I have no idea where it is
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[11:42] <TomMD-TB> e-mail inbox?
[11:43] <Sn0wman> thanks gregoire
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> so TomMD-TB: do you have 2010-01.a or 2009-12.a?
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> are you playing with the new ai-daemon? Satisfied?
[11:46] <TomMD-TB> gregoiregentill: 12.a bbut iintend tto uppgrade
[11:50] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: I have implemented a mirror feature yesterday night in the install-sd.sh script
[11:50] <Meizirkki> ok
[11:51] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, Mer 0.17testing in case if you haven't yet seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yApkMMlrjRA :)
[11:52] <gregoiregentil> How big is the image?
[11:52] <gregoiregentil> That would be really cool to add it to the SD card but I'm afraid of space + download/bandwidth
[11:52] <Meizirkki> about 180mb
[11:52] <leinir> Mer is really neat stuff, it really makes the TB look swish :)
[11:53] <gregoiregentil> perhaps, I should modify my initramfs script to download on-demand the other squashfs images
[11:53] <Meizirkki> The video makes it look too good though
[11:53] <Corsac> and I still need to test -pm
[11:53] <gregoiregentil> leinir - Meizirkki: It would be great if you can write on the wiki how to compile a Mer image like I did for Ubunu
[11:53] <Sn0wman> wow that is nice Meizirkki
[11:54] <Meizirkki> AIOS's SGX libraries are missing texture from pixmap extension which makes Mer a bit sluggis though
[11:54] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, sure
[11:54] <Meizirkki> I don't know what deals nokia has with TI/whoever provides sgx libs but nokias sgx has the extension
[11:54] <leinir> Meizirkki: It's alright, you can say "dog slow" ;)
[11:56] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps said nokias sgx will work with some kernel patches. :)
[11:56] <leinir> Ah yeah, he said that's how they got it working on the beagleboard :)
[11:57] <Meizirkki> ah
[11:57] <Meizirkki> oki
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[11:57] <leinir> Meizirkki: You were there when he said it, probably just missed that bit :)
[11:57] <Meizirkki> yup :P
[11:57] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mer Empty! :-(
[11:58] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, i'll create the page :)
[11:59] <gregoiregentil> Cool!
[11:59] <gregoiregentil> I would love to see that
[11:59] <leinir> Mer++
[11:59] <leinir> and consequently
[11:59] <leinir> Meizirkki++
[11:59] <leinir> ;)
[11:59] <Meizirkki> :)
[12:02] <DJWillis> Evening gregoiregentil, quick question, whats the lead time on TB's at the moment? Got a friend who is looking to order one.
[12:04] <gregoiregentil> we are 90% done with our queue of order. Order now => delivery in February
[12:05] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: cool
[12:05] <Sn0wman> hehe jeeze. High demand
[12:07] <DJWillis> Sn0wman: yep :-o
[12:08] <Sn0wman> who is actually involved in the company besides gregoire and alexandre?
[12:09] <gregoiregentil> There are a few other people who are part-time. Some developers, designers, support team, logistics and so on
[12:09] <Sn0wman> but you are the main 2?
[12:10] <gregoiregentil> officially, yes\
[12:10] <Sn0wman> alright
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[12:27] <Eruquen> gregoiregentil, I'm still waiting for an answer from the support team on whether they have received my touch book.. it's been on "notice left" on the usps tracking site for more than 2 weeks now and I think they will only hold it for about 30 days
[12:27] <gregoiregentil> Eruquen: Usually, we are careful to pick up everything
[12:28] <gregoiregentil> but perhaps we lost the notice. I can ask at the local post office
[12:28] <gregoiregentil> do you have the tracking number?
[12:28] <Eruquen> I've sent the tracking number in my last email inquiry
[12:29] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, i seem to be unable to save the page :(
[12:30] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, nvm
[12:30] <Meizirkki> works now :)
[12:30] <Meizirkki> I always start whining too early :P
[12:44] <Sn0wman> gregoiregentil: ok just followed the instructions for building the OS and all I get when i try to build the ai-daemon is "NameError: global name 'os' is not defined"
[12:45] <gregoiregentil> bitbake not up-to-date
[12:45] <gregoiregentil> which version?
[12:45] <Sn0wman> hold on
[12:46] <Sn0wman> 1.8.12
[12:46] <gregoiregentil> bitbake --version
[12:46] <gregoiregentil> BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.8.18, bitbake version 1.8.18
[12:47] <gregoiregentil> I think that I have upgraded manually because it was not available in Ubuntu
[12:47] <Sn0wman> why would 0.0.6 difference in versions have any effect on not being able to build it
[12:48] <gregoiregentil> yes, it has
[12:48] <gregoiregentil> Try this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/bitbake
[12:50] <Sn0wman> wow
[12:50] <Sn0wman> it looks like it is working
[12:51] <Sn0wman> What is the difference between those versions? you know?
[12:53] <gregoiregentil> no. I don't
[12:53] <gregoiregentil> but I know that it's required
[12:53] <Sn0wman> alright thanks again
[12:54] <gregoiregentil> and lucky you that you have a Debian package. At the time I did it, there wasn't and I had to manually update
[12:54] <gregoiregentil> you should update the wiki also if you can. That would be useful
[12:54] <Sn0wman> alright I'll add that in
[13:00] <Sn0wman> updated http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/AI_OS_compilation . I took out the apt-get install bitbake and added in the download pages for the .deb and source
[13:10] <Sn0wman> are the .ipk files the bitbake makes ipkg-installable?
[13:10] <Corsac> I only needed to apt-get install ;p
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[17:19] <martinh> hrm. I need a good way to find out which opkg package a particular missing file belongs to so I can install it.
[17:20] <mervaka> a synaptic sort of app would be ace.
[17:20] <mervaka> but i lack such skillz :(
[17:23] <gregoiregentil> In such situation, I usually do a search of the file at packages.ubuntu.com
[17:23] <martinh> If I had a clue where to start with some kind of listing of files mapped to packages (without grabbing them all and indexing them) I would have a base started in like an hour.
[17:23] <gregoiregentil> to see to which ubuntu package it belongs
[17:23] <gregoiregentil> then I try to find which similar OE package may be involved
[17:24] <gregoiregentil> usually OE package name is the same as ubuntu
[17:24] <gregoiregentil> also doing grep -ri name on the OE recipe may help
[17:24] <gregoiregentil> as well as find . -name ...
[17:24] <gregoiregentil> which file are you investigating?
[17:25] <martinh> webbrowser.py is what I'm looking for right now.
[17:25] <gregoiregentil> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=webbrowser.py&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[17:25] <martinh> and generally, the python structure is way different.
[17:25] <gregoiregentil> probably python
[17:25] <gregoiregentil> but OE splits python in sub packages
[17:25] <gregoiregentil> so you should grep this in the python recipe folder
[17:26] <gregoiregentil> that may give you an idea
[17:26] <martinh> right. that's where the problem comes in. :->
[17:26] <gregoiregentil> gregoire@gregoire-laptop:/OE/build/tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/python-2.6.2-ml8.0$ find . -name webbrowser.py
[17:26] <gregoiregentil> ./image/usr/lib/python2.6/webbrowser.py
[17:26] <gregoiregentil> it's in the python2.6 package
[17:27] <martinh> this is where my lack of experience with OE comes in. I'm not even sure where they wouldstore something like that.
[17:27] <martinh> hmmmm. I wonder if they forgot that one then.
[17:27] <gregoiregentil> ./packages-split/python-misc/usr/lib/python2.6/webbrowser.py
[17:27] <gregoiregentil> here is your answer
[17:27] <gregoiregentil> it's in the python-misc ipk file
[17:28] <martinh> ok. . .
[17:28] <gregoiregentil> then you can go to the application package list on the wiki
[17:28] <gregoiregentil> to see if this package is installed or not
[17:28] <gregoiregentil> and if not and you really need, you can still ask Gregoire to include ;-)
[17:28] <martinh> it's not, by default.
[17:29] <martinh> there's a bunch of python stuff that isn't by default. which is fine, until I figure out how to build a wxpython package and have that included. . .
[17:29] <gregoiregentil> seems it's not in the list indeed
[17:30] <martinh> but, I need to spend more time figuring out how the OE packages are laid out and how to find out what's where.
[17:30] <gregoiregentil> For perl, I had to do a perl-include-all-modules (help from Sakoman)
[17:30] <gregoiregentil> as it was too problematic to figure what to or not to include
[17:30] <martinh> I can handle all the installing of what I need. once I know what I need. I'm slowly figuring the layout out.
[17:30] <gregoiregentil> I may be do the same with python (got a similar problem as your yesterday) but python has fewer packages
[17:31] <martinh> that's an awful lot of stuff that's probably not useful to most people.
[17:34] <martinh> there we go. wxpython app running nicel.
[17:34] <martinh> nicely.
[17:35] <martinh> feels a bit laggy. but it works.
[17:36] <gregoiregentil> which application are you using based on wxpython?
[17:39] <martinh> I've been playing with taskcoach.
[17:40] <gregoiregentil> it would be interesting to try emule if you have wxpython
[17:40] <gregoiregentil> I have not played with emule for a long time now
[17:40] <gregoiregentil> but I remember that it was highly based on wxpython
[17:44] <martinh> if it's python, it'll probably run well enough. but, isn't it p2p? I'm not sure how useful that would be really be with only an 8G card by default.
[17:44] <martinh> but, i'll play with it and see if it runs.
[17:46] <gregoiregentil> remark that makes sense. Just trying to compile and run as many applications as possible
[17:46] <martinh> Yea. I'll play with it. . .
[17:47] <gregoiregentil> so, who has a GPS dongle?
[17:47] <gregoiregentil> I have inserted some code in 2010-01.a and I would love to receive some feed-back
[17:47] <martinh> I think my next thing, now that I have taskcoach is something to sync for calendaring.
[17:47] <gregoiregentil> Same for 3G dongle
[17:47] <martinh> I should look into a gps dongle.
[17:48] <gregoiregentil> martinh: if you can send your recipe for taskcoach, I would be OK to integrate
[17:48] <gregoiregentil> do you have any OE recipe or have you built on device?
[17:49] <gregoiregentil> same for wxpython
[17:49] <martinh> taskcoach is pure python. nothing to build. but, wxPython needs building and that's a bitch.
[17:50] <martinh> I see repeated attempts at building it on the OE build bot.
[17:51] <martinh> But, with my last few builds of it now, I think I know what needs fixing, so I'll be mucking with that.
[17:51] <martinh> The TB is my first real foray into building OE stuff, it'll take a bit for me to figure things out.
[18:01] <ryuo> hm
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[22:10] <tommd> gregoiregentil: I have a GPS dongle and am downloading 01.a now.
[22:10] <tommd> I'll try out tangogps. If you want feedback on other tools then let me know.
[22:10] <gregoiregentil> good. Please let me know how it goes. I managed to make it work but not all the time. So I would like to get some feed-back
[22:11] <gregoiregentil> tangogps is on the iamge and it's automatically started upon the GPS insertion
[22:11] <tommd> When I had trouble with my custom setup on 12.a it was due to the dongle sometimes getting /dev/ttyUSB1 (instead of /dev/tty/USB0) and gpsd wasn't monitoring that device.
[22:11] <tommd> I'll find out soonish
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