#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-08

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[2:14] <matejcik> so
[2:15] <matejcik> does anybody know how is the battery monitor for the top part -supposed to- work?
[2:15] <matejcik> as in, what parts of kernel should supply which inforrmation, based on what sensors etc?
[2:19] <Corsac> look in /sys/class/power_supply
[2:21] <matejcik> i've seen that. but it's not really helpful. it seems to be incomplete and doesn't really hint what's needed to make it complete
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[2:22] <Corsac> sure it's incomplete
[2:23] <matejcik> :e) well let me rephrase: is there a way in which i can make it complete, or does it require some kind of arcane knowledge that only gregoire posesses?
[2:25] <Corsac> I think he's working on that, but basically I don't think there's info ???hidden???, but it might be tricky and involves deep kernel hacking and hardware knowledge
[2:27] <Corsac> proper battery management is supposed to be available in 1.0 release, due january
[2:27] <Corsac> (make it feb start, just to be sure)
[2:27] <matejcik> well. i guess i'll wait...
[2:27] <matejcik> but it would be really useful to have a reading of momentary power consumption
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[2:28] <Corsac> changelog for 2010.01a says:
[2:28] <Corsac> GPIO concerning batteries are now exposed in kernel.
[2:28] <matejcik> that's a start
[2:28] <matejcik> i could probably find the relevant commit in git
[2:31] <matejcik> on an unrelated note: do you have any idea about X keyboard layout management and how to disable (or at least control) per-window layouts?
[2:31] <Corsac> I don't understand what you mean
[2:31] <Corsac> you want different keymaps on different windows?
[2:32] <matejcik> i have them. i want to turn them off
[2:32] <matejcik> but yes, that's basically it
[2:33] <matejcik> what happens is that i type "setxkbmap cz" in terminal and the new layout is applied only to newly opened apps
[2:34] <Corsac> that's weird
[2:34] <Corsac> it should apply everywhere
[2:34] <Corsac> it behaves like that on every box I have, at least
[2:35] <matejcik> i know that gnome has an option to explicitly turn this on
[2:35] <matejcik> maybe the window manager handles it then?
[2:40] <Corsac> well, I don't remember how was xfwm behaving in 4.4, I only have 4.6 now
[2:40] <Corsac> hmhm, wait, I may have a 4.4 somewhere, wait a sec
[2:41] <Corsac> nop
[2:41] <matejcik> just restarted xfwm and it didn't change my application layouts
[2:41] <Corsac> all windows (well, tried with terminal windows, but basically I don't see how it could change) use a consistent layout
[2:42] <Corsac> (even with cz I mean)
[2:42] <matejcik> ah, got it
[2:42] <matejcik> gtk does it. in xterm the changes are instant
[2:42] <Corsac> well, I have gtk terminals
[2:43] <matejcik> so if you type setxkbmap, they change layout instantly? all of them? on 10.01a?
[2:43] <Corsac> well I'm not on my TB so I can't confirm, but on stock (well debian) Xfce 4.4, yes
[2:44] <Corsac> and I won't be able to confirm/infirm on my TB since it doesn't charge anymore :/
[2:44] <matejcik> uh-oh :/
[2:48] <DJWillis> Corsac: your touchbook died?
[2:49] <Corsac> DJWillis: well, not died, but the batteries depleted because I didn't have my power adaptor (well, the us/eu plug) and now it doesn't boot far enough to start charging, it seems
[2:50] <DJWillis> Corsac: Oh FFS :-o not good.
[2:50] <Corsac> yeah
[2:50] <Corsac> not exactly sure how I can manage that :/
[2:50] <matejcik> that sounds weird. somebody on the forum reported that they could revive tb from this state by plugging it in when it's off
[2:50] <Corsac> I find that weird too, tbh
[2:50] <matejcik> then it somehow became alive enough to start charging and boot
[2:51] <Corsac> I didn't find time to investigate though
[2:51] <Corsac> plugging the bottom part doesn't show any led activity
[2:51] <Corsac> but it seems it has /some/ power there
[2:51] <Komzpa> Corsac: well, you can charge the battery by hand giving voltage (if no logic inside battery prevents) for some minutes and then charging as usual
[2:51] <Corsac> (I can press the power button and it'll try to boot, but wont pass the bootmenu stuff
[2:52] <Corsac> but if I plug the top part, it won't powers at all
[2:52] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: do you have a simple hack in your x-loader to turn back on the charge to the main batt? Like http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=pandora-x-loader.git;a=commit;h=b3646a83f9e67ec9a2de3182fd254557fd6ad9aa ?
[2:52] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: that seems to get us out of the 'flat batt' hole on the Pandora.
[2:53] <matejcik> btw, on a completely unrelated note :e) i can connect with tb to our school wifi, a task impossible on my main laptop in linux or windows ;e)
[2:54] <DJWillis> Corsac: I suspect that patch I posted may have relevance as without it the charge system gets setup later (U-Boot or Kernel) so if your batt is really flat it's to late to do any good.
[2:55] <DJWillis> Corsac: I could give you an MLO (signed X-Loader) from one of my Pandora's, it should be close enough to maybe get you so charge to do a normal boot later but 'your results may vary' ;-)
[2:55] <Komzpa> Corsac: have you tried my receipt?
[2:57] <DJWillis> Komzpa: do the same trick we used to do on the Pandora and charge the batt using a Nintendo DS and some wire (assuming it's the same sort of specs as the batt we use) ;-).
[2:58] <Komzpa> DJWillis: well, you don't really need a 100% compatible hardware. you can charge it from other battery as well
[3:00] * Komzpa did that for some mobile phones and cameras successfuly :)
[3:00] <DJWillis> Komzpa: yep, I dare say you can, just need to get enough current in there to boot to a stage where the TPS can handle it in software.
[3:01] <Corsac> Komzpa: your receipt?
[3:01] <Corsac> ah your recipe? :)
[3:01] <Corsac> I can't do anything right now, I'm not on the TB
[3:01] <Corsac> DJWillis: with the bottom part attached, I boot until the boot menu
[3:01] * Komzpa is not native in Inghlish
[3:01] <Corsac> (and then it stops)
[3:02] <Corsac> so maybe it's not too late
[3:02] <Corsac> (and maybe it's not battery related but 2010.10a related, it should take my old genuine AI key with 2009.09 to try)
[3:04] <Komzpa> could anybody please test josm (http://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/) usability on touchbook?
[3:07] <matejcik> Komzpa: takes a long time to start :e]
[3:07] <Komzpa> matejcik: and is usable after? :)
[3:07] <matejcik> Komzpa: don't know yet ;e)
[3:08] <Komzpa> :)
[3:08] <matejcik> about a minute to even show splash screen
[3:08] <matejcik> now its creating main gui
[3:08] <matejcik> hah, loaded
[3:09] <matejcik> what now?
[3:09] <Komzpa> matejcik: try downloading a small area (20-30 houses) and drag/zoom/edit tags.
[3:10] <matejcik> i clicked download and "slippy map" is empty
[3:11] <Komzpa> matejcik: is your touchbook connected to internet? strange.
[3:11] <matejcik> eh, it showed the map and then died
[3:11] <Komzpa> eh, died?
[3:11] <matejcik> probably because i clickled cancel a minute ago
[3:11] <Komzpa> ah :)
[3:12] <matejcik> lets try again
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[3:12] <matejcik> anyway its really slow, so i wouldnt say that its usable
[3:13] <Komzpa> okay, thanks.
[3:13] <Komzpa> a pity that I'll have to choose different device :(
[3:13] <matejcik> well, gotta go, see yall
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[3:32] <DJWillis> Corsac: if you want to test later when your at your TB give me a shout, getting power to the device early enough to be of use to the battery was an issue that took some working out on the Pandora so I am sure the same ideas may have merit on the TB.
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[4:17] <Corsac> DJWillis: thanks
[4:17] <Corsac> I'll keep you posted
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[4:22] <cnolan> hi all, does anyone have further info on lead time for a touchbook? FAQ says 4-6 weeks, is this still about right?
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[13:30] <rpgresearch> cholan, my experience was 4 months. (Ordered August 2nd, received December 28th). but mileage varies for everyone. So maybe more like 4 weeks to 4 months range?
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[14:53] <Corsac> DJWillis: hmhmh, would it work to boot a pandora uImage on the TB just to set the battery charging up?
[14:58] <DJWillis> Corsac: you just caught me about, it 'should' be fine, no idea if there is hardwired LEDs etc. on the TB for charge as I know you guys lack serial to see any output. Pretty safe to try, I use it to boot my Beagle all the time when I pick up the wrong SD etc. ;-)
[14:58] <DJWillis> Corsac: email ok? I'll send you the file.
[15:01] <Corsac> corsac / debian.org
[15:02] <Corsac> would be nice :)
[15:04] <DJWillis> Corsac: sent.
[15:08] <Corsac> received
[15:10] <gregoiregentil> ping _koen_ ?
[15:10] <Corsac> DJWillis: ok it doesn't boot anything but it appears to be on
[15:11] <Corsac> now I don't know if it's charging
[15:11] <Corsac> led is not on
[15:11] <DJWillis> Corsac: if the LED is GPIO then it's not going to light as I have no idea what GPIO it's on, I guess leave it for 10 mins and try ;)
[15:12] <DJWillis> Corsac: it should try and load uboot off the SD but I would not bet on that working on the TB
[15:12] <Corsac> hmhm, no, it doesn't work at all :/
[15:12] <Corsac> and now the battery is even more depleted it seems :/
[15:13] <DJWillis> Corsac: well NAND 1st then SD if found but, hmmm, well that's a shame, fook, sorry.
[15:13] <DJWillis> Usual SD with boot flag etc.?
[15:13] <Corsac> (only way I have to test is by booting it, so it means that I burn some battery each time :/)
[15:13] <Corsac> yep
[15:13] <Corsac> I replaced the mlo file
[15:13] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: is there a way to charge a depleted battery?
[15:14] <DJWillis> Corsac: hmmm, slightly pondering how to look at this, let me see if I can find the TB's X-Loader code and have a peek at it.
[15:14] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: because it's completely off and it's not booting far enough to charge
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[15:38] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: for the records, it's your power adapter that is dead, especially if there is no light in the bottom. It's not a board or battery proble
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[15:43] <Corsac> confirmed
[15:44] <Corsac> in fact the problem is in my eu/us adapter
[15:46] <Corsac> ok, bottom part is charging
[15:48] <Corsac> aaaand it boots!
[15:48] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: thanks for help :)
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