#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-06

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[0:09] <vorner> Hello. I asked yesterday but didn't really get an answer, is here someone who tried to draw onto the touchbook with a stylus? How accurate is the touchscreen? (mine didn't yet come) Thanks.
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[1:19] <Corsac> vorner: http://photos.corsac.net/v/09-annif-alx/IMG_4602.JPG.html
[1:19] <Corsac> (and the following two)
[1:25] <vorner> Corsac: is it possible to draw a line and then continue from one of the points or does the pointer usually get fiw pixels away from the stylus (if stylus is used instead of finger)?
[1:37] <Meizirkki> Corsac, Sts said you have ran omap-pm on the TB
[1:38] <Meizirkki> did it work ok ?
[1:38] <Meizirkki> how's the batterylife ?
[1:40] <Corsac> vorner: didn't try with stylus
[1:40] <Corsac> Meizirkki: yes I did, but wasn't really able to compare battery life
[1:40] <Corsac> Meizirkki: I've installed 2009.12a now, so -pm is gone, but I built another one to test
[1:40] <Corsac> I'm just waiting to get my adaptor back :)
[1:41] <Corsac> and with 2009.11a it worked ok but had rotations problems
[1:41] <Corsac> don't know if it's fixed now
[1:42] <Meizirkki> Corsac, could you upload uImage (and sources?) somewhere for others to play with ? :)
[1:42] <Corsac> Meizirkki: sources are directly the OE ones
[1:43] <Corsac> and yeah, I'll upload uImage when I'll be on the box I've built them on
[1:43] <Corsac> (but basically I just bitbake'd it)
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[1:44] <Meizirkki> okay
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[4:54] <_ant_> Hello
[4:54] <_ant_> I'm interested in ordering a TouchBook, but at first I'd like to know a current state of its development:
[4:54] <_ant_> 1) are there any hardware bugs?
[4:54] <_ant_> 2) can I use it as a usual netbook after installation of Debian (while AI OS is still in beta)? What about performance? E.g. can I browse Flash-enabled web sites without lags? Is Firefox usable?
[4:56] <leinir> No serious hardware bugs i'm aware of
[4:57] <leinir> And you can use it as a netbook with Ubuntu by simply booting into it (the one you'd get ought to have it installed by default)
[4:57] <martinh> and also, no real flash yet.
[4:58] <_ant_> :(
[4:58] <martinh> as it's not intel based and adobe hasn't released an ARM port yet.
[4:58] <_ant_> What about Gnash and SwfDec?
[4:59] <martinh> other than that, I use it as a capable netbook with AI OS.
[4:59] <leinir> i believe it uses SwfDec by default, not entirely sure though :)
[4:59] <martinh> it's got facilities for viewing hulu and I think other videos.
[5:00] <_ant_> hmm, it is great
[5:10] <_ant_> There is a 256MB of flash memory onboard. For what purpose is it used?
[5:20] <mjr> I've not watched closely but I seem to have a memory of it not being used currently much at all except for the bootloader
[5:20] <mjr> may be wrong, but seems reasonable to me given that one's gonna use a largish sd card with it anyway
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[5:33] <leinir> everything's read off of the SD card :)
[5:34] <mjr> the internal nand is probably there mostly 'cause it's chip-integrated or something
[5:34] <mjr> of course, if you want, put a jffs2 or something there...
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[8:57] <Meizirkki> Is there a way to clone only the kernel part of the OE tree, not the whole repository ?
[9:04] <Corsac> nop
[9:07] <Meizirkki> With my connection it's going to take a week O_o
[9:08] <Meizirkki> ffs
[9:09] <Meizirkki> I get the kernel part faster by just downloading each file separately with a web-browser
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[9:17] <Corsac> Meizirkki: hmhm, you might be able to request a tarball though
[9:18] <Corsac> Meizirkki: and if not, I can do it for you
[9:18] <Corsac> what exactly do you need?
[9:20] <Meizirkki> the omap-pm :)
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[9:23] <Corsac> I need a folder path
[9:31] <Meizirkki> recipes/linux/linux-omap-pm-2.6.29 i guess
[9:43] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i just finished downloading all contents of the dir from the web-client
[9:44] <Meizirkki> so, thanks but i don't need the tarball anymore :)
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[10:52] <Corsac> Meizirkki: ok :)
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[11:22] <_ant_> There is a Quake2 package in the AI OS feed. Does someone tried it? Is it playable? :)
[11:23] <leinir> it's installed by default i believe :)
[11:23] <gregoiregentil> I managed to make it work a long time
[11:23] <gregoiregentil> but I had to import from a CD-ROM (or a torrent) the resources
[11:23] <gregoiregentil> I haven't tried recently
[11:34] <martinh> did it run well enough?
[11:34] <martinh> because, I think I still have the original quake 2 cds. :->
[11:34] <gregoiregentil> it was not too bad but I did it a long time ago
[11:34] <gregoiregentil> if you want to try and post what needs to be done on the wiki, that would be extremely useful
[11:35] <gregoiregentil> I can also improve the images if there is anything to do
[11:36] <martinh> I can probably play round with things a bit next week.
[11:38] <gregoiregentil> That would be great!
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[13:03] <edgar> We have a 18bit Display, but X11 using only 16bit. Is it possible to use it like 24bit one with hardware dithering ?
[13:28] <edgar> FYI: Via xorg.conf and Depth it is not possible. ;)
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[13:32] <gregoiregentil> yes, it's possible but you have to configure the driver
[13:32] <gregoiregentil> fbset can be used, take a look at the ai-daemon start-up script
[13:32] <gregoiregentil> or you can do at u-boot but it's much more complex
[13:33] <gregoiregentil> I have done some tests in 24 bit a long time ago
[13:33] <gregoiregentil> so I know that it's working but performance was less good especially for PVR 3D
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[14:29] <edgar> gregoire: Where is the ai-daemon start-up script ?
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[14:44] <gregoiregentil> /etc/init.d/ai-daemon
[14:45] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/ai-daemon/files/ai-daemon
[14:50] <edgar> Mmmh, there is fbset usage in this script. Do you mean simple to start fbset with the depth argument ?
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[15:08] <edgar> BTW: the "ifconfig lo up" should not be there, the /etc/network/interfaces auto definition should start via "ifup -a" in "init.d/networking".
[15:10] <gregoiregentil> Sorry: wrong script: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/powervr-drivers/libgles-omap3/rc.pvr
[15:11] <gregoiregentil> edgar: yes, but I've removed the network script because it was too long to start
[15:11] <gregoiregentil> and the networking script is a custom-made script that takes only of the wiki. A little bit messy
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[15:46] <edgar> gregoire: Thanks. Where is the fb0 device overall used in the current release ? BTW: The script toggles between 16 and 32 bpp and not 16 and 24.
[15:48] <edgar> I mean: where is the mode changed overall for fb0 ?
[16:04] <viridior> any reason why http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/latest/ai-os.squashfs is blocked for download?
[16:04] <viridior> gregoiregentil: ping ^^^
[16:05] <gregoiregentil> yes, because I'm stupid ;-)
[16:05] <viridior> nah, just forgot a step or two... im the most guilty of that ;)
[16:05] <gregoiregentil> working probably now
[16:05] * viridior checks
[16:06] <gregoiregentil> *********** BTW, I have release 2010-01.a ***********
[16:06] <gregoiregentil> which is a small update compared to 2009-12.a.
[16:06] <viridior> gregoiregentil: thanks, works
[16:06] <gregoiregentil> As it's the same story (you need to reformat), you may want to wait for the next big update which will be 2010-01.b, scheduled within two weeks
[16:07] <viridior> gregoiregentil: any issues with me providing you a Gentoo squashfs once I make one?
[16:07] <gregoiregentil> No. Quite the opposite...
[16:07] <gregoiregentil> I would love to see it
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> My recommendation is to do what I'm trying to do on Ubuntu
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> meaning basic distro + three or four customizations imported from the OE-based AI OS, i.e.
[16:08] <viridior> great, we are just about finished with streamlining our production, once we are done our build process for new images will be similar to OE/Angstrom
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> rotation of screen, ai-daemon, optimized mplayer
[16:08] <gregoiregentil> Very cool. I would love to see that
[16:09] <viridior> gregoiregentil: do you keep the AI-specific utils in tarball format (so I can make .ebuild vice using .bb)?
[16:10] <gregoiregentil> no. but I had a few requests and when doing Ubuntu, I wanted to do deb for those three/four components
[16:10] <viridior> I would prefer to include all of your utils so there isn't much difference between end-user utility
[16:10] <gregoiregentil> so I will probably set up a separate git just for those AI-specified stuff
[16:10] <viridior> ok
[16:10] <gregoiregentil> On the todo list. (not at the very top, but towards the top!)
[16:11] <viridior> that would work great, our git is located here: http://gitorious.org/neuvoo/ and I'll make sure to let you know once we have your utils included in case you want to participate
[16:11] <viridior> hehe, your utils might end up being using across gentoo-embedded :)
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[16:12] <gregoiregentil> yup!
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[16:13] <viridior> we will also be pulling in a lot of the custom work from the Pandora community, when you have time I could talk to you about some of the things that you might benefit from for user experience
[16:14] <mervaka> i'm quietly pushing a developer for a rather good audio electronics company to get the java remote control released.. \o/
[16:14] <mervaka> which would mean mixing concerts and festivals on a tb
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[16:34] <gregoiregentil> /TOPIC #touchbook This is the Always Innovating Touch Book chat room! Current release is 2010-01.a. You can find out more at the official website, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com, and on the wiki at http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki.
[16:34] * ChanServ changes topic to 'This is the Always Innovating Touch Book chat room! Current release is 2010-01.a. You can find out more at the official website, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com, and on the wiki at http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki.'
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[17:27] <viridior> anybody having problems with reinstalling the OS and getting a read-only system when copying over the .squashfs images?
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[17:43] <gregoiregentil> NO. You worry me a little bit
[17:43] <gregoiregentil> it's a clean 2010-01.a?
[18:00] <tommd> 01.a is out already?
[18:01] <viridior> gregoiregentil: using the 8GB SDHC that the TB came with
[18:02] <gregoiregentil> which version do you?
[18:02] <gregoiregentil> know?
[18:02] <viridior> im using the 2009.12a build
[18:02] <gregoiregentil> sure that the card has not the writing protection?
[18:02] <viridior> tab is up
[18:02] <viridior> mount says rw
[18:02] <gregoiregentil> the physical protection I mean
[18:02] <viridior> yep, its on rw
[18:08] <viridior> gregoiregentil: this is strange... http://dpaste.com/141902/
[18:09] <gregoiregentil> my recommendation would be to upgrade from the device to 2010-01.a
[18:09] <gregoiregentil> Do this: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Reinstall_OS
[18:09] <gregoiregentil> sudo -s wget http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/latest/reinstall.sh chmod a+x reinstall.sh ./reinstall.sh exit
[18:10] <viridior> k
[18:10] <gregoiregentil> reboot, it will reinstall the card
[18:10] <gregoiregentil> and reformat it
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[18:12] <viridior> gregoiregentil: I did a wipe of the card, using the install-sd.sh script with -d /dev/sdb -e
[18:12] <gregoiregentil> OK
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[18:26] <viridior> gregoiregentil: http://dpaste.com/141908/ :(
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> and it's on the touchbook or your PC?
[18:27] <viridior> im not sure what would make the SD card go to RO like that
[18:27] <viridior> PC
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> on your PC I guess?
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> strange. But I prefer a SD card nuked than a TouchBook board nuked!
[18:27] <viridior> true enough
[18:27] <viridior> think its a bad SD?
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> We can send you a new SD card
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> Yes, I think so
[18:27] <viridior> both of my SDs are doing it
[18:27] <gregoiregentil> Send me your address
[18:27] <viridior> i have 2 TBs ;)
[18:28] <gregoiregentil> strange.
[18:28] <gregoiregentil> your PC is running which version of Linux?
[18:28] <viridior> Gentoo 10.1
[18:28] <gregoiregentil> I would do one more test:
[18:29] <gregoiregentil> do ./install-sd.sh -f -e -d /dev/sdb -s
[18:29] <gregoiregentil> note the "-s"
[18:29] * viridior executes
[18:29] <gregoiregentil> then put the card in the touch book and press the screen to access the multi-boot
[18:29] <viridior> that passed
[18:29] <gregoiregentil> and do reinstall from there
[18:29] <viridior> k
[18:30] <gregoiregentil> and see if you get the same error
[18:31] <bofh__> attempting to upgrade from default 2009-12.a to 2010-01.a. However, when I run ./reinstall.sh, it states that wget: "can't open /tmp/ai_1/uImage": "no such file or directory". do I ignore and reboot anyway? Or did something go wrong on retrieval? thanks.
[18:32] <viridior> gregoiregentil: i seem to be locked up on the red AI screen with the progress bar stuck at 0%
[18:35] <viridior> gregoiregentil: I'm downloading all of the images now and I'll try again in the tomorrow on a spare SD care I have
[18:36] <viridior> err... in the afternoon
[18:36] <viridior> thanks for the help
[18:37] <bofh__> I manually created dir /tmp/ai_1/ and now it is downloading. a little bug in the reinstall script? or something wrong with the default 2009-12.a system setup (default from receiving it just after xmas?
[18:40] <gregoiregentil> yes, let me take a look at the script
[18:41] <gregoiregentil> it's still the same buggy script. strange. I thought that I have updated it
[18:41] <gregoiregentil> one second
[18:41] <bofh__> the script says mkdir -p /tmp/mnt1, but the wget says /tmp/ai_1
[18:42] <gregoiregentil> yup
[18:42] <gregoiregentil> but there is another error in the script
[18:42] <gregoiregentil> let me understand why it's not the right version
[18:43] <bofh__> ok
[18:43] <gregoiregentil> uploading now. one second
[18:44] <bofh__> you bet. ;-)
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[18:49] <gregoiregentil> I don't know why it's so long to uplaod a 2kB script!...
[18:49] <bofh__> server under load?
[18:49] <gregoiregentil> the right script is in the 2009-12.a folder if you want to
[18:50] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2009-12.a/reinstall.sh
[18:50] <bofh__> ok. will grab that then. thanks!
[18:51] <bofh__> downloading now, definitely fixed the error thus far. thanks gregoiregentil
[18:52] <gregoiregentil> yup. Please keep me posted after you reboot if the installation is successful
[18:52] <bofh__> you bet
[18:52] <bofh__> definitely wish to help out where I can. I'm too rusty for C work, but shell scripts and general debugging no problem. ;-)
[18:53] <gregoiregentil> cool. Thanks for the feed-back
[18:53] <bofh__> yvw
[18:54] <bofh__> after going through the "on system" upgrade. I will also try out doing it from a separate linux box to my larger 16GB sd, and see if any issues there.
[18:55] <bofh__> so, the reboot process will not support WPA if I am reading that message correctly. Is that correct?
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[18:59] <gregoiregentil> correct. Sorry.
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[19:30] <bofh__> np. fortunately I have both running here. I keep the WEP one running for legacy devices and testing and such. ;-) gregoiregentil
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[19:45] <gregoiregentil> Thanks.
[19:51] <bofh__> gregoiregentil, It is looping on me attempting to connect to WEP access point. I enter the SSID (it detected it earlier, but then it looped to this: "Configuring internet connection"
[19:51] <bofh__> Detected ra0, "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down".
[19:51] <bofh__> Please type the essid you want to connect to, 'rescan', or'abort'
[19:51] <bofh__> ). I then re-entered SSID and WEP key. it waited about 30 seconds, then looped back to the same screen. Tried this 4 times. Do I need to turn off WEP temporarily?
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> No. but the message "Detected ra0, "Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down"
[19:51] <gregoiregentil> is not good at all
[19:52] <gregoiregentil> not sure why
[19:53] <bofh__> indeed. It scanned the first time and found both the WEP and WPA networks (surprising it found the WPA since it's broadcast is off, and the OS didn't find it before). I entered the WEP ssid, and then the WEP key. it took 30 seconds, then bunch of text filled the screen too fast to make out, and then it came to that menu about the device down.
[19:53] <bofh__> Shuold I try a new reboot? something else?
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> yes. try to reboot
[19:54] <bofh__> ok. to just power it down and power it on then?
[19:54] <gregoiregentil> yes
[19:55] <gregoiregentil> It's working here. The first time, after entering your WEP key, take a look at the message. do you get "Connecting to ESSID" and the registering device??
[19:56] <bofh__> I did the first time yes, then about 30-45 seconds later is when it scrolled the text past, and went to the network down menu.
[19:56] <bofh__> I'm on 104 bit (128) key. any significance there?
[19:57] <bofh__> connecting to wsNET04.... Reistering Device....
[19:57] <bofh__> ah. came up now to "Reinstallint ght Touch Book menu.
[19:57] <bofh__> Maybe I had a typo in the key the first time? And it didn't recover cleanly when it re-prompted?
[19:57] <bofh__> Before I hit any key to reinstall. Should I try it again, but with the key wrong, to see if that replicates the issue?
[20:00] <gregoiregentil> as you want
[20:00] <gregoiregentil> you can go ahead
[20:01] <bofh__> So, Tried it again (power off, power on, etc.).
[20:01] <bofh__> This time I intentionally entered the wrong key.
[20:01] <bofh__> Sure enough, that brought up the network down menu.
[20:01] <gregoiregentil> even with a typo in the key, it should have worked...
[20:01] <gregoiregentil> ouahh. strange.
[20:01] <gregoiregentil> let me try
[20:01] <bofh__> So it is not handling a user error cleanly when it comes back around.
[20:01] <bofh__> rescan won't work either.
[20:01] <bofh__> k
[20:04] <bofh__> sure enough. restarted, and made sure key okay, and worked properly again. This is repeatable. at least on my system. ;-) This was shipped to me on December 22nd, just fyi.
[20:04] <bofh__> shall I proceed with the reinstall (press any key to start), or would you like me to perform any other tests before proceeding?
[20:08] <bofh__> gregoiregentil, ?
[20:17] <gregoiregentil> yes?
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[22:59] <bofh__> gregoiregentil, just asking if you wanted me to run any other tests on that network setup bug before I hit "any key" to continue the reinstall.
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> no
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> I think that's all
[23:00] <bofh__> ok.
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> so you confirm that if key is wrong, it's not working the second time?
[23:00] <bofh__> correct. it won't enable the network, nor will the scan work. One has to power off, and start over if the key is wrong.
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[23:17] <bofh__> is the server getting nailed? I'm getting a download rate of about 2 KB/s (this is from within the reinstall, it is in step 5/5 ai-os.squashfs. it was downloading fine for the other segments.
[23:18] <bofh__> server: build.alwaysinnovating.com (
[23:21] <gregoiregentil> I think that the server is a little bit overloade
[23:21] <gregoiregentil> d
[23:26] <bofh__> gregoiregentil, figured. any plans to implement either mirrors and/or p2p like bitorrent to spread out the load?
[23:27] <gregoiregentil> yes and no: ideally yes. but this would require some work
[23:28] <gregoiregentil> also install from device, hard to use p2p (and moreover, when download is finished, system reboots - so there won't be many seeds)
[23:28] <bofh__> well, if you get any formal plans, I have a few servers that already run rsync servers for some of my sites, and I'd be happy to help out with some mirroring at least.
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> mirroring would make sense
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> not sure how I would implement this in script
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> can I mirror/redirect from my server.
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> I guess that I would need to do something in the script?
[23:29] <bofh__> I think the python folks or the openbsd folks could help out a lot with that.
[23:30] <bofh__> also cpan folks.
[23:30] <bofh__> yes, something would need to be added in the script to check for the quickest/closest mirror(s), and have a fall back if a mirror times out to resume. cpan (perl), and others have been doing that for years. shouldn't be too difficult to replicate their approach.
[23:32] <gregoiregentil> the problem is that the initramfs should be very small (it's already too big) so I can't put perl
[23:32] <gregoiregentil> I would have to replicate some logic into bash
[23:35] <bofh__> understood

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