#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2010-01-01

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[9:54] <Sn0wman> hey my TB plays SOME youtube videos' sound too fast and the A/V gets out of sync... any ideas on what to do?
[9:57] <Corsac> didn't you already said that twice or thrice?
[9:57] <Sn0wman> yah but I'm hoping to catch people who were AFK or had a new idea or something
[9:57] <leinir> Yeah... still doesn't seem to realise that the forum might be a better place to ask when irc is dead ;)
[9:57] <Sn0wman> but then I have ot go through the process of making a thread :-Z
[9:57] <Sn0wman> lol too tiresome
[10:00] <leinir> ;)
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[11:09] <linuxha> Happy New Year folks
[11:09] <linuxha> Has anyone noticed that their TB doesn't connect to the wireless network very well?
[11:10] <linuxha> I see the networks initially then they disappear when the TB attempts to connect and then neve connects
[11:10] <gregoiregentil> Which version of OS? Is it something new or always like that for you? No problem on my side and wifi driver has not really changed since the introduction of the OS
[11:11] <linuxha> I'm not sure, any way to tell from the command line (or elsewhere)?
[11:11] <gregoiregentil> cat /etc/ai.version
[11:11] <gregoiregentil> or about box from the start menu
[11:11] <linuxha> 2009-12.a (thanks)
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> Was it better before? And do you have any problem with other computer?
[11:12] <leinir> i have managed to connect to the network here once, and now i can't get it to connect any longer
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> is it public, wep, wpa?
[11:13] <leinir> (the once being the first time i tried with 2009.12a installed, all subsequent attempts have failed)
[11:13] <linuxha> The rest of my computers seem fine they connect most of the time (lots of wifi in my area)
[11:13] <linuxha> WPA
[11:13] <leinir> the network is a wpa protected network (British Sky)
[11:13] <linuxha> leinir, same here every once in a while it does work
[11:14] <linuxha> my network is local
[11:14] <leinir> it's a local one, with a Sky provided router
[11:15] <gregoiregentil> I must admit that I haven' t tested so much WPA. hyc is the expert for WPA. We should ask him
[11:15] <linuxha> should I post in the forum then?
[11:16] <gregoiregentil> yes if you want. Or you can try to ping hyc here. He is reading the chat usually
[11:16] <linuxha> Though I've been using computers since 78 I don't use irc much
[11:17] <linuxha> I'll look up 'ping' on my software to see what I can do
[11:17] <linuxha> thanks
[11:17] <linuxha> BTW, does the Android release work with wireless?
[11:18] <gregoiregentil> not yet. Android is really in an alpha stage
[11:18] <linuxha> I wrestled with Android and TBuntu but got nowhere
[11:18] <gregoiregentil> tbuntu is better
[11:18] <leinir> linuxha: "pinging" someone on IRC is just a silly sort of concept that means saying their name lots :)
[11:18] <linuxha> Good to know, thanks
[11:18] * leinir personally looks forward to Mer on the touchbook... it shall be sweeeet ;)
[11:18] <gregoiregentil> there will be a release early this month and tbuntu should be improved
[11:19] <linuxha> I have to wait? (I'm not good at waiting ;-)
[11:20] <linuxha> BTW, my opinion of the TB hardware is very good. It holds lots of promise just need for the software and apps to catch up
[11:20] <gregoiregentil> OK. Thanks. trying to improve software
[11:21] <linuxha> As soon as I get the base stable I'll actually help with the code
[11:21] <linuxha> I'm looking forward to using the touch screen in home automation (the HA in my name)
[11:23] <MikeEvans> I'm still waiting for my tb to arrive - but was using my laptop in the kitchen earlier - sticky hands - started me thinking about non-touch gestrural interfaces
[11:23] <gregoiregentil> is it a personal or professional project?
[11:24] <linuxha> A littl ebit of both, more 'hobby' right now.
[11:24] <linuxha> I've been running the Linux Home Automation site since about 1995
[11:24] <gregoiregentil> cool
[11:25] <linuxha> It has the possibility to take off but it need a bit of luck to get started (the big players have a mess of things)
[11:25] <gregoiregentil> which big players are you thinking of?
[11:25] <linuxha> MikeEvans: yeah I understand (if by sticky you mean grimy)
[11:26] <MikeEvans> well covered in apple pie filliing to be precise :)
[11:27] <linuxha> Microsoft, Google, the utilities then Z-Wave, Insteon, Control-4 etc. A real pain to play in this game
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[11:32] <drantin> is there a reason the version is stored in /etc/ai.version instead of the more common /etc/release (or /etc/ai-release or variation thereof) http://www.google.com/search?q=etc+release
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[11:42] <linuxha> Okay this is weird, this is the first time that the TB connect to the network without manual intervention! (I just rebooted but it connected after I had the X screen)
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[12:03] <Meizirkki> What's the connection manager used in Ubuntu btw? Network Manager?
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[12:20] <azaghal> Meizirkki: Yep
[12:25] <Meizirkki> I mean in the AI's tbuntu
[12:31] <andrewgodwin> If I could log into it, I could tell you
[12:32] <leinir> andrewgodwin: rtfm much? ;)
[12:32] <Meizirkki> they didn't set the password, but made this wikipage insted http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
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[12:33] <leinir> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[12:33] <leinir> (bah, too late ;) )
[12:34] <andrewgodwin> leinir: I first tried when the image first appeared, to be fair
[12:34] <andrewgodwin> and haven't bothered going back since :)
[12:35] <leinir> i had to wait for it to download first (the connection where i currently am is stupidly bad, i feel returned to the days of dialup :P ), so it was luckily there when i first tried :)
[12:35] <andrewgodwin> Android, on the other hand, logged in, and then clicking basically fails. It's all a bit weird
[12:35] <leinir> android is sort of... incomplete ;)
[12:36] <andrewgodwin> that was indeed the impression I had
[12:36] <andrewgodwin> still, exciting developments nonetheless
[12:37] <Meizirkki> 0xlab android seems to be really incomplete...
[12:37] <Meizirkki> Rowboat works a lot better..
[12:38] <Meizirkki> rowboat.googlecode.com
[12:39] <andrewgodwin> Meizirkki: If I wasn't having fun playing around with Clutter, Box2D and my N900, I'd head right over and check it out
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[12:40] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: have you tried Rowboat?
[12:40] <gregoiregentil> I'm very open regarding Android and I would love to get something working without doing much efforts...
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[12:41] <gregoiregentil> Now that I have fixed the kernel problem to run Android in 2009-12.a, I can take any Android rootfs
[12:43] <Meizirkki> rowboat is highly optimized for omap3
[12:43] <Meizirkki> yes i have tested it
[12:43] <gregoiregentil> Good. I'm going to test
[12:43] <gregoiregentil> have you used the pre-built rootfs?
[12:44] <gregoiregentil> or have you compiled the rootfs?
[12:44] <Meizirkki> yup
[12:44] <Meizirkki> prebuilt
[12:44] <Meizirkki> the wifi seems to not work with rowboat either
[12:44] <gregoiregentil> Good. that's what I was about to say/ask. I think that the next step
[12:44] <gregoiregentil> is to put the ralink driver into the kernel (no module)
[12:45] <gregoiregentil> this way internet connection will be available naturally
[12:45] <Meizirkki> after loading the module interface can be brought up with "netcfg ra0 up" but that's as far as i can get
[12:45] <gregoiregentil> have you tried to insmod the wifi driver in this pre-built rootfs?
[12:45] <Meizirkki> yes
[12:45] <Meizirkki> after copying over /etc/Wireless that is
[12:45] <gregoiregentil> and after netcfg, ra0 was not up?
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[12:46] <Meizirkki> netcfg brigs it up succesfully
[12:46] <Meizirkki> but control panel still says unable to start wifi
[12:46] <gregoiregentil> don't you think it may be a problem due to the name
[12:47] <gregoiregentil> meaning that it's expecting wlan0 or something like that?
[12:47] <Meizirkki> I haven't thought about that ..
[12:47] <Meizirkki> wpasupplicant might be the answer
[12:47] <gregoiregentil> either you can try to create a symlink
[12:48] <Meizirkki> or a brigde from ra0 to wlan0 :P
[12:48] <Meizirkki> but i haveno idea to do that in android :P
[12:49] <Meizirkki> solca, who made the android port for Nokia n810 knows a lot about dealing with wifi and touchscreen. He hangs around at #nitdroid and he could be helpful
[12:49] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, how to create the symlink ?
[12:49] <gregoiregentil> On Android, I don't know
[12:50] <gregoiregentil> the easiest way would be to have wifi integrated in kernel (no module) and to have both ra0 and wlan0 or wlan0 as default
[12:50] <Meizirkki> !
[12:50] <Meizirkki> I'm just gonna test it with another wlan dongle :)
[12:50] <gregoiregentil> Sounds great to me
[12:51] <gregoiregentil> It's where I'm still frustrated not to leverage more the efforts and the experiments of the community
[12:51] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: are you on the TB developer mailing list?
[12:51] <Meizirkki> nop
[12:51] <gregoiregentil> :-(
[12:52] * Meizirkki finds out where to subscribe to it
[12:52] <gregoiregentil> giving you the link
[12:52] <Meizirkki> ok, thanks
[12:52] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Contributors
[12:52] <gregoiregentil> I will try to make a big push on this. It will be beneficial to everybody
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[12:53] <leinir> gregoiregentil: One thing you might want to check out is the Mer VSC :) http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Vendor_Social_Contract
[12:54] <leinir> It's already something you are subscribing to, but you might want to take a look anyway :)
[12:55] <gregoiregentil> Reading...
[12:57] <Meizirkki> GMail down -.-
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[13:16] <dpb> There's a mailing list now? Nice.
[13:16] * leinir stabs whatever killed his X
[13:18] <MikeEvans> odd - my X server (on fedora) died twice today already - maybe it's the new decade :)
[13:18] <andrewgodwin> well, SpamAssasin already have a 2010 bug, I'm sure other stuff must have
[13:19] * andrewgodwin throws an extra s in there
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[14:07] <gregoiregentil> I got the java applet working in Firefox ;-)
[14:07] <gregoiregentil> Also, I have received a GPS dongle, just plugged into the device with future 2010-01.a
[14:07] <gregoiregentil> lsmod reports that pl2303 has been loaded
[14:07] <gregoiregentil> gpsd -N -D 5 /dev/ttyUSB0 is alive!
[14:09] <gregoiregentil> I have also tangogps on this image. It's starting but I'm not sure how to make it work. Where are the GPS specialists?
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[14:30] <linuxha> gregoiregentil: You got a java applet working in Firefox? On the TB?
[14:30] <gregoiregentil> I'm sure that FIN_Mas1er will be happy to know that skytraq-datalogger --dump returns "No reponse from datalogger" on my TB
[14:30] <gregoiregentil> correct
[14:30] <gregoiregentil> but it's not working in Midori or Chromium (though on Chromium, I'm extremely close)
[14:31] <linuxha> How? :-)
[14:31] <gregoiregentil> It will be in 2010-01.a...
[14:31] <gregoiregentil> I have to patch classpath
[14:31] <linuxha> Ah! I can wait for that! (well not really but ... :-)
[14:31] <gregoiregentil> I had to patch classpath. I will push patches soon
[14:32] <gregoiregentil> Very frustrating, I'm so close on Chromium
[14:32] <linuxha> I have a need for Java and HA (particularly Groovy)
[14:33] <linuxha> Good to see we are progressing in that direction
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[15:28] <edgar6> gregoire: GPS ? Specialist ? No one exist.
[15:30] <edgar6> Compare ai user and sudo user, how it works
[15:34] <gregoiregentil> it's working ;-) I think that I just had to wait for the dongle to give info
[15:34] <gregoiregentil> lat - long: 37d - 122d
[15:34] <gregoiregentil> let's see if I'm where I'm!
[15:37] <gregoiregentil> It's working!!! I just missed the minus before the long
[15:38] <gregoiregentil> so I was something like in the middle of the yellow sea but with the minus, I'm in San Francisco. Where it seems that I'm!
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[15:46] <edgar6> Good that you are back in the reality and find yourself. Mmmh, missing your roots ;)
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[15:48] <azaghal> gregoiregentil: How long did you hold your breath before determining if you're really not in water? ;)
[15:49] <gregoiregentil> Not too long! This tangogps is working great. You can use the Google Maps satellite. Let me go outside, and see if I can see myself on the image of the TB
[15:50] <gregoiregentil> Nope. That's very disappointing. I thought that Google has some new real-time stuff...
[15:51] <azaghal> I don't think so.
[15:52] <azaghal> Having things like that is extremely expensive.
[15:52] <azaghal> Not all parts of the world are even covered with the maximum zoom maps.
[15:52] <gregoiregentil> Just need to plug the TB to the NSA network
[16:03] <tommd> gregoiregentil: Oh, you discovered tangogps - I got a gps device 1 week ago and have found tango to work best.
[16:03] <tommd> Though I am a little disappointed I can't find a osm planet extractor like for navit.
[16:03] <tommd> And its on-disk format is frustrating (directory of directories of PNGs, come on!)
[16:03] <gregoiregentil> yup. I would love to also see the google maps (not the satellite)
[16:04] <gregoiregentil> I agree but it's working right out of the box and it's not too bad.
[16:04] <tommd> OSM is pretty damn good in place of non-sat google maps.
[16:04] <gregoiregentil> I will go around in the city and attach my 3G dongle too. That should be fun...
[16:04] <tommd> war driving with the TB!
[16:05] <gregoiregentil> exactly!
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