#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-12-23

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[0:02] <dpb> oh, the new system doesn't dd the squashfs
[0:02] <dpb> the second partition is an ext3 system, that has all those 3 squashfs images, and on boot you choose which of them you use
[0:05] <Sn0wman> where did you get that from?
[0:06] <dpb> the install-sd script
[0:08] <dpb> gregoiregentil: did you actually read the Ubuntu Trademark Policy? Your use of "tbuntu" name is against the trademark, unless you have permission from Canonical to use it.
[0:09] <dpb> "Any mark ending with the letters UBUNTU or BUNTU is sufficiently similar to one or more of the trademarks that permission will be needed in order to use it."
[0:09] <Sn0wman> FUCK CANONICAL!!!
[0:10] <dpb> That made my ignore list longer.
[0:10] <Sn0wman> thats rude
[0:11] <Sn0wman> we've been talking for like 2 hours
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[0:29] <gregoiregentil> The simplest way to reinstall is now to do it from the device itself
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[0:32] <gregoiregentil> download and execute as root the script: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/latest/reinstall.sh
[0:35] <dpb> that doesn't exist
[0:36] <dpb> latest isn't a symlink to the latest yet
[0:36] <gregoiregentil> one second
[0:37] <gregoiregentil> Fixed
[0:39] <dpb> BASEURL and RELEASE aren't defined in the script, how will that wget command work?
[0:44] <Sn0wman> I get a cp error, "no space left on device" and I have all 3 os's downloaded
[0:44] <Sn0wman> am I only supposed to have 1 or 2?
[0:47] <gregoiregentil> BASEURL and RELEASE are defined in the script
[0:47] <gregoiregentil> are you sure that you have the right script?
[0:47] <gregoiregentil> version 1.2 for the script
[0:48] <dpb> gregoiregentil: I mean the reinstall.sh script
[0:48] <Sn0wman> yah I downloaded the script in the newest release's folder
[0:48] <gregoiregentil> dpb: correct. Fixing that. one second
[0:50] <gregoiregentil> Fixed now.
[0:51] <dpb> great
[0:52] <Sn0wman> dpb: how old are you?
[1:09] <Sn0wman> where is the battery monitor??
[1:12] <gregoiregentil> Ask Alexandre...
[1:12] <Sn0wman> Am I to assume that was his responsibility and he didn't follow through?
[1:12] <gregoiregentil> I think that there is a bug in the script, so the bat-mon appears and disappears all the time
[1:12] <gregoiregentil> ;-)
[1:13] <Sn0wman> ah
[1:13] <gregoiregentil> I didn't have time to fix this. I will fix this week-end and push a mini update just for this file
[1:13] <Sn0wman> I gotcha
[1:13] <Sn0wman> will it fix if I go to start -> system -> update?
[1:15] <gregoiregentil> I have updated the reset and reinstall pages on the wiki
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[3:38] <Gary13579> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2009-12.a/md5sun.txt
[3:38] <Gary13579> md5sun?
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[3:50] <DJWillis> typo that stuck?
[3:51] <dpb> a sunny file
[3:53] <Gary13579> md5 hashes of the sun
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[4:02] <mervaka> md5 of a shit english tabloid?
[4:02] <Gary13579> heh good answer
[4:08] <mervaka> by the way
[4:08] <mervaka> that touchbook based install
[4:09] <mervaka> apparently i didnt have iw tools installed in the image
[4:09] <mervaka> so iwscan didnt work
[4:09] <mervaka> and iwconfig didnt either
[4:09] <mervaka> couldnt find them.
[4:09] <mervaka> aaaand
[4:09] <mervaka> that script saves the image to the wrong place
[4:11] <mervaka> line 29
[4:11] <mervaka> wget -O /tmp/ai_1/uImage ${BASEURL}${RELEASE}/uImage
[4:11] <Gary13579> http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fv%2FkTHdhft42Ic&start1=4&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fv%2FTn_95hdy6Nw&start2=0
[4:11] <mervaka> i think should be
[4:11] <mervaka> wget -O /tmp/mnt1/uImage ${BASEURL}${RELEASE}/uImage
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[7:33] <martinh> hmmm. wonder how long the upgrade takes.
[7:34] <martinh> actually. looks like it already isn't working in exactly the same way as before.
[7:42] <martinh> this is kinda getting to be a pain.
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[8:13] <gregoiregentil> yes. Fix the typo in reinstall.sh script
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[9:00] <martinh> oh. big functionality improvements already.
[9:21] <martinh> and chromium too.
[9:25] <martinh> and mmcqd was driving up the load and really lagging the entire thing. I remounted /root-all as async. will that have any negative effects?
[9:29] <martinh> hrm. standard mouse settings still don't work for me. even at highest acceleration.
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[9:38] <martinh> hmm. battery monitors?
[9:47] * leinir wonders what martinh is on about... :)
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[10:03] <martinh> i'm just investigating the new functionality of the OS update.
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[10:08] <leinir> Ooh, 2009.12a is out? :)
[10:20] <martinh> yes.
[10:23] <leinir> nifty :)
[10:23] <leinir> time to update!
[10:24] <martinh> yea. there's significant improvement in functionality.
[10:39] <martinh> now I need to figure out how to get wxwidgets and python-wx on there.
[10:39] <martinh> hopefully without rebuilding it.
[10:59] <martinh> funniest part. . .she's actually not old enough to even see the trailer. much less the movie when it comes out.
[11:00] <martinh> wrong window there. :->
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[13:22] <Sn0wman> gregoiregentil: why does the installer download the tbuntu and android images if it doesn't use them?
[13:22] <Sn0wman> or does it?
[13:31] <andrewgodwin> Sn0wman: it looks like it puts them on the SD card
[13:31] <andrewgodwin> I can't figure out how you'd choose what to boot, though
[13:32] <Sn0wman> I'm trying to mount the 2nd partition to check that but I don't know the device name. Do you know it? like /dev/mmc1 or what?
[13:35] <andrewgodwin> depends on your OS and the card reader you're using
[13:35] <Sn0wman> on the AI-OS
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[15:36] <gregoiregentil> when you see the red background with the logo (after the black background with the logo), press on the screen.
[15:36] <gregoiregentil> You will access the multi-boot UI
[15:36] <gregoiregentil> and you can android or tbuntu from there
[15:38] <andrewgodwin> gregoiregentil: yes, I figured it out
[15:38] <andrewgodwin> shame that android's touch detection is very flaky, and tbuntu gives me a login screen, but still, it's nice to see them working!
[15:38] <gregoiregentil> I promise that I will document. but right now, between all the orders to ship before Christmas + the new release, I'm quite busy ;-)
[15:38] <gregoiregentil> tbuntu: you should have a message.
[15:38] <andrewgodwin> oh, I understand, this new release has plenty of new stuff
[15:39] <gregoiregentil> login is ai
[15:39] <gregoiregentil> then you can type: startxfce4
[15:39] <andrewgodwin> password? I tried both 'ai' and 'password'
[15:39] <gregoiregentil> no password
[15:40] <gregoiregentil> it shouldn't if I have done a mistake during the upload
[15:40] <gregoiregentil> ... haven't done ... I mean
[15:40] <andrewgodwin> I'll try again later, then
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[18:15] <tommd> My top battery has somehow come loose - is there recommended way to strap it down?
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[22:04] <Govee> anyone know what the login and password for the tbuntu os is?
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[22:28] <gregoiregentil> Govee: it's ai login
[22:28] <gregoiregentil> I hope that it works. Let me try
[22:29] <Sn0wman> why are there android and tbuntu squashfs images in the newest release?
[22:29] <gregoiregentil> because you can select between the different OS during boot
[22:29] <Sn0wman> ?
[22:30] <Sn0wman> I installed last night using the install.sh script and it just goes straight to the aios
[22:30] <Sn0wman> I was installing it as you finished uploading the images of the os's
[22:32] <gregoiregentil> I will add a wiki page for tbuntu. Login is broken but there is a workaround. If anybody knows well this f#&*(#@&( xdm, I would be happy to listen to...
[22:36] <Sn0wman> what do you do to fix bugs? find the part of the OS that handles it or the libarary and upgrade/modify it?
[22:38] <gregoiregentil> Here is how to login on Ubuntu: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu
[22:39] <Sn0wman> oh I didn't know about the touch the screen part
[22:40] <Sn0wman> I suggest you put a readme in that release directory
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[22:43] <Sn0wman> what did you have to do to make mplayer use the Omap3530's mp4 co-processor?
[22:47] <gregoiregentil> You can read this for the multi-boot option
[22:47] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Multi-boot_reset_reinstall
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> it's extremelly difficult (would require weeks of development) to have mplayer to leverage the video DSP co-processor
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> Nevertheless, DSP co-processor is working on the Touch Book
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/DSP_video
[22:49] <gregoiregentil> It's using gstreamer and totem
[22:49] <Sn0wman> ah
[22:53] <tommd> Any suggestions on the best way to strap down the top battery? Its loose.
[22:54] <tommd> I don't particularly like it clunking around ;-)
[22:54] <Sn0wman> hot glue?
[22:54] <tommd> how about good suggestions? ;-)
[22:55] <Sn0wman> what is wrong with hot glue?
[22:55] <tommd> I finally got around to attaching the stabilizing feet - thank goodness for those, makes the experience much better.
[22:55] <tommd> Sn0wman: Have you opened up your top half and looked at where the battery is?
[22:56] <Sn0wman> yes?
[22:57] <Sn0wman> oh
[22:57] <Sn0wman> haha never mind
[22:57] <Sn0wman> bad idea
[22:59] <gregoiregentil> tommd: we don't glue battery because I'm not sure if it's really good for the battery
[22:59] <gregoiregentil> we use very thin but strong double-side tape
[22:59] <Sn0wman> or you can use velcrow
[22:59] <Sn0wman> :-/
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> if you have ever to change the top battery, in any case, we will send you the metal part too
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> so you can try to glue it
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> removing battery if it's double-side taped, it's feasible
[23:00] <gregoiregentil> but if it's glued, you can't! But as said, if you ever have to change it, we will send you the metal part too
[23:01] <tommd> I'll use industrial-sticky velco, as Sn0wman is saying. That stuff is really good.
[23:01] <Sn0wman> :-)
[23:11] <Sn0wman> is the second partition just the three squashedfs's?
[23:11] <gregoiregentil> The second partition is the whole disk
[23:11] <gregoiregentil> with the squashfs-es and the overlay for each distro
[23:12] <Sn0wman> ? I thought that the overlay had to be its own separate partitoin
[23:12] <Sn0wman> partition*
[23:16] <gregoiregentil> no. it can be a folder
[23:17] <Sn0wman> ohhh never mind... but when I mount my second partition, all that is in there is lost+found folder
[23:17] <gregoiregentil> because the folder are in .
[23:17] <gregoiregentil> .images and .overlay-*
[23:21] <Sn0wman> ah ok
[23:21] <Sn0wman> thanks
[23:21] <Sn0wman> does the kernel make the .overlay-* folders?
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> no
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> the intramfs script
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/initrdscripts/files/85-ai.sh
[23:32] <Sn0wman> well you should update the booting page because it specifically says "there is no initramfs, the kernel has been directly patched to create this"
[23:39] <Sn0wman> how does the hardware know to look for the MLO file? Did you put a small program on the NAND to run the MLO file from the first partition of the SD Card?
[23:39] <gregoiregentil> no. it's ROM-coded in the OMAP
[23:43] <Sn0wman> how do you know that? I just did an search of the cortex A8 manual and it didn't have that in it?
[23:57] <Sn0wman> never mind. found it in the tech manual for omap 35xx @ http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spruf98d/spruf98d.pdf

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