#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-12-21

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[1:53] * Topic is 'This is the Always Innovating Touch Book IRC channel! You can find out more at the official website, http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/ This channel is logged at http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/irclog/'
[1:53] * Set by viridior on Sun Aug 30 10:06:43 PDT 2009
[1:54] <gregoiregentil> Test irclog
[1:54] <FIN__Mas1er> works again \0/
[1:54] <FIN__Mas1er> loggin i mean
[1:55] <Gary13579> FIN__Mas1er, try running gpsd on a different port
[1:55] <FIN__Mas1er> when i type gpsd -D 5 /dev/ttyUSB0 it gives no errors :S
[1:55] <FIN__Mas1er> without the -N
[1:56] <Gary13579> gpsd -p 1337 -N -D 5 /dev/ttyUSB0
[1:56] <Gary13579> yes it's supposed to do that, without the -N flag it starts it up as a daemon which hides itself in the background
[1:56] <Gary13579> eg no console output
[1:57] <FIN__Mas1er> same errors :S ( and its -S <port> )
[2:00] <Gary13579> FIN__Mas1er, login to root
[2:00] <Gary13579> then run a ps -A | grep gps
[2:01] <FIN__Mas1er> same as before: Nothing
[2:01] <Gary13579> the hell :\
[2:02] <Gary13579> reboot then try it, if you haven't already
[2:02] <Gary13579> what version is it?
[2:02] <FIN__Mas1er> gpsd is version 2.38
[2:02] <FIN__Mas1er> and tried after reboot
[2:02] <FIN__Mas1er> reboot just looses the modules found in lsmod
[2:04] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: ok
[2:04] <Gary13579> FIN__Mas1er, I've got no idea, I ordered the same GPS module as you a while back but unfortunately don't have a TB to test it out on
[2:04] <Gary13579> if it's still a problem by the time I get mine I can try helping, but I'm out of ideas
[2:06] <FIN__Mas1er> Gary13579: Im also out of ideas. Next ill try with ubuntu on tb. Maybe itll work. Know any good navigation software for ubuntu?
[2:07] <Gary13579> NavIt, although it still has problems :(
[2:09] <Gary13579> gosmore did better routing/directions than navit, but looks disgusting and doesn't have voice directions
[2:10] <FIN__Mas1er> Navit it Reeaally slow on aios. For me its useless. But maybe it works better in ubuntu. Ill just try every navigation software to just get something out of that dongle on tb
[2:11] <Gary13579> that sucks :\ I'd have thought it could preform better
[2:11] <Gary13579> you weren't trying to use the entire planet map, were you?
[2:14] <FIN__Mas1er> i had no maps at all the time i tested it. I tried it directly from angstrom and by compiling it on tb but both times it was the same.
[2:14] <Gary13579> How exactly was it slow then O.o ?
[2:15] <FIN__Mas1er> The boot sequence takes so long you are on the destination when its up and running. And all the menus and stuff take forever to act.
[2:15] <FIN__Mas1er> I know it seems that somethings not correct but i havent got into it good. Probably it can be fixed to perform better
[2:16] <Gary13579> yeah, with no map loaded it should be a ton faster.
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[2:17] <FIN__Mas1er> at the time i didnt have the dongle yet so i had no motivation to try to fix it :). But now i do
[2:29] <FIN__Mas1er> Gary13579: Thanks for help anyway. Ill post to the forums if/when I find any solution
[2:29] <Gary13579> np, sorry I couldn't figure it out
[2:29] <FIN__Mas1er> If i wanted a fully working computer with navigation, I wouldn't have tb yet ;-)
[2:30] <Gary13579> lol
[2:46] <FIN__Mas1er> Any idea why ipkg install libtool and libtool-dev doesnt remove the error "You need to install libtool" from navit compile
[2:46] <FIN__Mas1er> I dont have any idea how i got rid of it the last time
[2:48] <Gary13579> mm no idea, I haven't built it from source
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[3:16] <gregoiregentil> Very close to this 2009-12.a release. Still a few minor problems but all blocking bugs have been fixed now. So many new features: OpenOffice, Chrome browser, initramfs, multi-boot selection with UI, upgrade and reinstall from the device itself, reset-on-demand, improved 3D game, youtube, (t)buntu... I've only disabled the feature to make coffee because it was not mature enough.
[3:17] <Corsac> wow
[3:17] <Corsac> that looks like christmas
[3:18] <drantin> ah well, we can supplement it with a normal coffee machine for now
[3:18] <drantin> but I expect that to be fixed by the next release!
[3:24] <andrewgodwin> ooh, chrome, and multi-boot
[3:24] <andrewgodwin> all we need are snowflakes that use the accelerometer
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[3:40] <Gary13579> gregoiregentil, really, OpenOffice?
[3:41] <Gary13579> How slow does it run?
[3:44] <Gary13579> also that list is oddly missing proper power management ;)
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[3:52] <Meizirkki> chrome !
[3:52] <Meizirkki> w00f
[4:05] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: using kexecboot for the boot selection stuff?
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[8:28] <Corsac> alexandre: hey :)
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[9:48] <gregoiregentil> Gary13579: correct :-(
[9:48] <gregoiregentil> DJWillis: Don't know what I'm using!...
[10:06] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: ;-)
[10:06] <gregoiregentil> I think so. I'm using the standardinitramfs from OE
[10:06] <gregoiregentil> there is just a kind of circular dependency as initramfs needs linux-omap which needs initramfs...
[10:07] <DJWillis> Yuck! not ideal.
[10:08] <gregoiregentil> I pong Koen about this but he never replied. I don't know how people are doing this
[10:08] * DJWillis is just messing with a backport of SquashFS 4 to 2.6.27 for the OPandora, not quite how I planed on spending the day.
[10:09] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: it seems a little 'black art' hence the reason for asking.
[10:11] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: so your running up the boot menu at the end of the initramfs?
[10:11] <gregoiregentil> correct
[10:12] <gregoiregentil> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/images/ai-initramfs-image.bb
[10:12] <gregoiregentil> and http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/tree/recipes/initrdscripts/initramfs-module-ai_1.0.bb
[10:12] <DJWillis> yep, looks like its kexecboot's GUI then, is it all working well? Very tempted to do something similar on the Pandora (autobooting the SquashFS image off the NAND if the user does not tweak it).
[10:12] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: thanks, i'll take a look.
[10:13] <gregoiregentil> I spend *a lot* of time to set up the script and everything. Very painful... But at least, now, I can reinstall the SD card on-the-fly
[10:15] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: I can 100% sympathise with that. Getting things like this done right takes time and often it???s not the nicest of jobs so gets left to the people actually shipping out the boxes to tie up the loose ends.
[10:16] <gregoiregentil> I have a nice UI selection: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/tmp/ai-ui.png
[10:24] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: now that is nice :), and I guess all of those can just be on an SD with lots of partitions. Your still not using the NAND on the AIOS are you?
[10:24] <gregoiregentil> I have simplified: only one ext3 partition. I'm using loop
[10:25] <gregoiregentil> No, still not using NAND though that's frutrating me to pay for a hardware feature and not using it!@
[10:27] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: main reason the Pandora's default ROOTFS is on the NAND, it's there and we have to pay for it so may as well use it, shame the OMAP NAND driver is a little less then clever sometimes.
[10:28] <gregoiregentil> Is it slower to have rootfs on NAND?
[10:28] <gregoiregentil> the problem is that my rootfs wouldn't fit any more on the NAND...
[10:33] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: getting it to fit on the NAND is my current big issue, my current Xfce based images are WAY to big to fit. I don't find NAND slower than say a cheap SD card but its a lot slower than a good quality card.
[10:35] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: shame there is not decent cheap PoP NAND chips in the 1 - 2 gigabytes range, that would remove a lot of pain.
[10:35] <gregoiregentil> Correct
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[10:38] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: considered moving the initramfs bit and xloader/uboot to the NAND makeing for a less complex SD setup (no need for the boot flag, with some clever tweaks you could even read the kernel in from EX* rather than FAT etc.)?
[10:40] <gregoiregentil> The only and main advantage of this is that you could perhaps have a faster u-boot boot
[10:43] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: true.
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[13:54] <gregoiregentil> Guys you won't believe it: the pen problem in xournal is gone
[13:55] <gregoiregentil> and I haven't do anything (except fixing a lot of other bugs but not this one)
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[14:01] <tommd> gregoiregentil: Thats good news... but a little concerning.
[14:02] <gregoiregentil> Concerning?
[14:02] <gregoiregentil> I have done a major upgrade of xorg-server
[14:02] <tommd> Concerning in that if the issue wasn't identified then it might resurface due to lack of recognition.
[14:02] <tommd> Ahh - well it could have been hidden in that.
[14:04] <tommd> This is bug 64, right? (http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=64)
[14:05] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: pulled in the Xorg 7.5 stuff?
[14:05] <gregoiregentil> yes
[14:08] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: hows it working for you on OMAP3, still using XFBDEV or using the XOMAPFB driver? Been having a few snags on the Pandora I am still working out.
[14:08] <gregoiregentil> still xfbdev. I have a driver that is really optimized and working. The less I touch it, the better
[14:09] <gregoiregentil> I clearly see the ButtonRelease when my finger stops pressing in xev. All the time
[14:12] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: event flooding from xinput-tslib?
[14:13] <gregoiregentil> I have latest of xinput-tslib. Seems OK. Touchscreen still sucks but it's more a resistive problem. I don't think that I can do anything about it
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[14:18] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil: ahhh, yep, latest does not have the flood problem. It's a shame that using just xEVDEV leads to a much better touchscreen experance on the Pandora but calibration is a pain in the bum using EVDEV or EVTOUCH.
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[17:28] <Gary13579> gregoiregentil, amazing news about xournal! was one of the few major issues I wanted fixed.
[17:41] <gregoiregentil> xournal works really great. Even with finger. But I'm a little bit disappointed by mypaint
[17:45] <Gary13579> have you tried out cellwriter?
[17:46] <Gary13579> one of my first projects when I get it is to abandon the python keyboard and make it in GTK/C++, with cellwriter built in
[18:03] <tommd> Why C++?
[18:03] <tommd> Gary13579: Why C++?
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[18:03] <Gary13579> because I'm evil like that
[18:03] <tommd> And why not just use the cellwriter keyboard.
[18:04] <tommd> You know it has one bulit in already, right?
[18:04] <Gary13579> cellwriter has a kb?
[18:04] <tommd> yes!
[18:04] <tommd> And its nice!
[18:04] <Gary13579> hm, where at
[18:04] <tommd> I'm amazed AI doesn't use it by default
[18:04] <tommd> let me look
[18:04] <tommd> open cellwriter
[18:04] <Gary13579> yeah so am I, I thought they weren't using it because it didn't have one, hence why I was looking to hack one on.
[18:04] <tommd> click "keys" in the lower right
[18:05] <tommd> I think you'd agree - its nice.
[18:05] <Gary13579> ... hahaha
[18:05] <Gary13579> well, that cuts my job down a ton :)
[18:06] <tommd> perhaps it could be bigger though... or even of a variable size. I don't like how small this is and I don't like how big the other keyboard is.
[18:06] <Gary13579> you can adjust the size in setup
[18:07] <Gary13579> as well as dock it
[18:07] <Gary13579> typing on it now ;p
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[18:13] <Gary13579> anyway tommd, re: c++, I used strictly C until a few years ago when I picked up an abandoned C++ project, and kinda really liked it.
[18:13] <tommd> Ahh, I see.
[18:13] <tommd> Curiously, are you anti-python, agnostic, or just don't know python / do know C?
[18:14] <Gary13579> I've got no problem with python, but on a small machine like this I think the overhead of the VM is a waste for only a single application.
[18:14] <Gary13579> also have read people saying the python KB is slow ;)
[18:15] <tommd> it is
[18:21] <Gary13579> May have found out why... cellwriter is taking up 18mb of memory :\
[18:22] <Gary13579> it's like the massively expanding memory/speed has just made everyone stop caring about optimizations/coding shit properly :(
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[20:50] <travalas> can anybody tell me a bit more about the internal usb?
[20:51] <travalas> i.e. how much space is there, can you fit in a 3g usb adapter?
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[21:35] <G7KES> hello all
[21:35] <G7KES> Recently got my new Touchbook
[21:36] <G7KES> anyone around?
[21:37] <G7KES> Is there a method like apt, rpm, or yum of adding packages?
[21:37] <G7KES> Are there repositories of Touchbook packages?
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[21:57] <Sn0wman> gregoiregentil: didn't you tell me yesterday that you were going to release a new version today/tomorrow?
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[22:02] <G7KES> oooh
[22:02] <G7KES> life
[22:02] <G7KES> just got on here with my new touchbook
[22:03] <Sn0wman> hehe I did that on friday of last week :-)))
[22:03] <G7KES> never before used gaim/pidgin for IRC.
[22:03] <G7KES> So
[22:03] <G7KES> questions
[22:03] <Sn0wman> pidgin is great for IRC :-)
[22:04] <G7KES> is it just mine, or did anyone else get a scratched top panel?
[22:05] <Sn0wman> my wasn't that bad but I got mine used off of ebay
[22:05] <Sn0wman> is it like SCRATCHED or is it very very minor?
[22:05] <G7KES> really
[22:06] <G7KES> my wife thinksits a problem, but I don't.
[22:06] <Sn0wman> yah I had to pay almost the same amount as a new one ($394) but I didn't want to wait for a month or so :-)
[22:06] <Sn0wman> well I say if it works then ignore it unless it is really bad
[22:06] <G7KES> indeed
[22:06] <G7KES> ordered in May
[22:07] <G7KES> don't want to send it back :-)
[22:07] <Sn0wman> hehe I know the feeling
[22:07] <Sn0wman> worth every penny
[22:08] <G7KES> I'm a bit concerned about the speed of firefox...
[22:08] <G7KES> but this runs fast enough.
[22:08] <Sn0wman> midori is a good bit faster and fennec is a lot faster but firefox is the only one that supports flash thusfar
[22:08] <G7KES> as does the shell
[22:08] <Sn0wman> the shell is excellent imo
[22:08] <G7KES> yup
[22:09] <Sn0wman> I do however dislike ipkg/opkg instead of aptitude or even yum for that matter
[22:09] <G7KES> do you know if there is some repository of additional software?
[22:09] <G7KES> yeah
[22:09] <Sn0wman> run "opkg update"
[22:09] <G7KES> apt would have been nice.
[22:10] <Sn0wman> and you get download things from the angstrom repository
[22:10] <G7KES> ah...
[22:10] <Sn0wman> or "ipkg update"
[22:10] <Sn0wman> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/
[22:10] <G7KES> thanks
[22:10] <G7KES> doing the opkg update now :-)
[22:11] <Sn0wman> you can look through the packages there or use "ipkg list | grep SEARCH_TERM" through all avaialble packages
[22:11] <Sn0wman> or opkg :-)
[22:11] <travalas> have you used the internal usb?
[22:12] <G7KES> other than for the included wi-fi, no.
[22:12] <Sn0wman> I've only used the external for my flash drives so no...
[22:16] <G7KES> hmmm...
[22:16] <G7KES> no Sudoku game :-(
[22:16] <Sn0wman> hehe o darn...
[22:18] <travalas> i'm curious to know if a 3g dongle will work
[22:18] <Sn0wman> I don't see any reason why it shouldn't
[22:18] <Sn0wman> if wifi works then it should considering their operation is nearly the same besides the freqency they operate on and a few protocols
[22:19] <travalas> i was wondering if there would be enough space or not
[22:19] <Sn0wman> well if there isn't, there's always external usb
[22:20] <travalas> yeah my primary connection is via a 3g dongle, and rarely via wireless and I'm thinking about getting one
[22:20] <Sn0wman> hehe just make sure you get a short one
[22:21] <Sn0wman> I wonder if a stripped down version of this http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-73/802.11g-USB-802.11b-high-dsh-power/Detail.bok would fit inside
[22:30] <G7KES> I use a Huaweii E220 at home
[22:30] <G7KES> I suspect that would be too bug.
[22:31] <G7KES> or even too big
[22:31] <Sn0wman> hehe probably
[22:39] <G7KES> does anyone know:
[22:40] <G7KES> a) what the ai switch on the side does?
[22:40] <Sn0wman> one tap brings up the start menu and holding it is supposed to bring up the virtual keyboard
[22:40] <Sn0wman> but I think it is still buggy
[22:40] <G7KES> b) what the miniature USB port on the bottom of the tablet unit is for?
[22:40] <G7KES> k
[22:41] <Sn0wman> I would assume for mini-usb interfacing :-)
[22:41] <G7KES> okay, well, I managed to get the start menu up this time
[22:41] <G7KES> using the button
[22:42] <G7KES> although I don't think it worked before...
[22:42] <Sn0wman> like I said, its still pretty buggy
[22:42] <Sn0wman> he's supposed to release another version of the OS today I think so I would watch out for it and update
[22:43] <G7KES> okay, will do :-)
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[22:53] <travalas> I'm using a rebranded huawei eg162 which is pretty small
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