#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-12-06

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[1:43] <leinir> re Meiz :)
[1:46] <Meizirkki> hi leinir
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[1:50] <Meizirkki> i saw about dozen dreams last night, one of them was Mer 0.17 UI being fast on the TB :P
[1:55] <leinir> *giggles* Nicely :)
[1:55] <leinir> It's not just a wish any longer, it's now a dream ;)
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[8:45] <ioi8> anyone know of a good solution for mounting the touchbook in a car?
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[8:46] <ioi8> also... can the touchbook just accept any cig adapter connector? i assume it uses the standard power connector
[8:49] <DJWillis> ioi8: I have something about the same size as the TB in my Defender mounted on an adjustable RAM mount.
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[8:54] <ioi8> DJWillis: you have a link to what you bought?
[8:55] <ioi8> DJWillis: something like this? http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/umpc-car-mounts.html
[8:56] <DJWillis> ioi8: I made it up out of RAM bits I had laying about, I would have to go out in the dark and rain to get the details and I am not doing that ;)
[8:57] <DJWillis> ioi8: I think most of my kit started life as a mount for a Panasonic CF18 but I can adjust it to suit and it would hold a TB just fine I am sure.
[8:58] <ioi8> are there any touchbook biz people in here? i have an idea for a project
[8:59] <DJWillis> ioi8: just ask or talk away, it's IRC so no point holding out on saying something ;)
[9:01] <ioi8> im working with some people to dev a linux-based car computer OS and frotn-end
[9:01] <ioi8> our idea with this HW is add an internal GPS, and supply accessories such as cig adapter, windshield mount, and adapters to connect to your head unit
[9:02] <ioi8> the unit would be ablet o sync with phones, gps nav, sync with home networks for mp3s and video, odbII connectivity, and etc....
[9:03] <ioi8> basically a linux-based garmin or tomtom, but open enough to let people hack and mod it to their liking
[9:03] <DJWillis> ioi8: I have a company who want to do something similar with the OpenPandora, seems a popular thing to do. Sounds like you want a device front end and an open source version of Fords/MS's Sync at the backend ;)
[9:04] <DJWillis> ioi8: well the TB will run NavIt ok ;-)
[9:04] <ioi8> we already have the software done
[9:05] <ioi8> but certain features like software radio support we do not need to include since we will not be replacing HU, only extending its functions
[9:05] <ioi8> this is our open-source software page http://wiki.openice.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
[9:05] <ioi8> this is our comemrcial page www.nextabyte.com
[9:06] <DJWillis> ioi8: very interesting, reminds me of the old mp3car days ;-)
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[9:07] <ioi8> we have a large presense there http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/linuxice/
[9:08] <ioi8> linuxice/openice has been around for about 3+ years
[9:09] <ioi8> going commercial with it would be great if we could pair with some HW companies as well
[9:09] <ioi8> i think openice on the touchbook would be a great platform to get people used to the idea of a car computer
[9:09] <ioi8> easy to install, no modding needed, just plug in and start using
[9:11] <ioi8> and because both the SW and HW is open-source... the community is free to dev and make some cool expansion projects
[9:11] <DJWillis> ioi8: I see you already have NavIt in the stack, can't say I have followed your project but I tend to DIY my car stuff. It sounds like a very nice stack. What do you use to build the OS/stack? I wonder how much of this could be worked into OpenEmbedded so OE devices (and there for Angstrom and things like the Beagleboard/Touchbook/Pandora etc.) so they would get it for free ;)
[9:12] <ioi8> we based it on ubuntu... currently we are using 9.10
[9:12] * DJWillis wishes that the TB (and the Pandora) had found room for a GPS in the lid.
[9:12] <ioi8> i think there is enough room
[9:13] <ioi8> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Top_part
[9:13] <ioi8> but im not quite sure if the gps will pick up signals if blocked by the top part's EMI shields
[9:14] <DJWillis> ioi8: I know there is, it's more 'it may as well had gone in be default' ;-)
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[9:14] <ioi8> which is why i want to work with the HW team
[9:14] <ioi8> dev a solution with GPS and all the accessories needed to install into a car
[9:14] <DJWillis> ioi8: you want to catch gregoiregentil when he is online. gregoiregentil heads up AI
[9:15] <ioi8> ping gregoiregentil
[9:15] <ioi8> we also want to dev an all-in-one double din unit
[9:16] <ioi8> 3 possible choices for mobos
[9:16] <ioi8> beagleboard of course
[9:16] <ioi8> via nano ITX mobos
[9:16] <ioi8> or the mobo from the fitPC2 (intel atom board)
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[9:17] <volatile1> hi
[9:17] <Meizirkki__> Where can i get the cross compilation toolchain for armv7a?
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[9:19] <DJWillis> ioi8: very nice ;), much more feature complete (in a din/doubledin case) then the hackjob that is my truck ;-). Good luck.
[9:22] <ioi8> DJWillis: just recently... this became available http://www.bybyte.com/bbn_feature.htm
[9:22] <ioi8> its the first double-din carputer enclosure for nano-itx mobos
[9:22] <ioi8> pair it with a nice lilliput TS lcd and you have a ready to mount unit
[9:23] <ioi8> but a solution like this requires extra HW such as optical drive, radio HW and the such when replacing the HW
[9:24] <ioi8> if we utilize the touchbook HW as platform, we do need to replace the HU and so we can offer a cheaper alternative
[9:24] <volatile1> Touchbook? Its based on beagleboard
[9:24] <volatile1> Why dont you take that for a car pc?
[9:25] <DJWillis> ioi8: stuff the car, i'll mount that in the house ;-). Nice looking din solution.
[9:26] <ioi8> with the double-din case.. we have multiple mobo options
[9:26] <DJWillis> ioi8: I have dealt with optical solutions by hiding them in the glove box/cubby.
[9:26] <ioi8> the beagleboard as is may not be the best solution
[9:27] <volatile1> I dont like pcs in cars anyway
[9:27] <volatile1> There are other things that are waaay more important
[9:27] <volatile1> Like a solid cage
[9:27] <volatile1> Carbon hood and doors and so on
[9:28] <volatile1> Plastic windows
[9:28] <ioi8> a carputer can do much more than any HU and/or GPS device
[9:28] <volatile1> bucket seats
[9:28] <ioi8> such as direct integration with ODBII data and performance capturing
[9:28] <volatile1> Oh yes, odb...
[9:29] <volatile1> "Lets read out stuff nobody cares about"
[9:29] <ioi8> we have an odbII and GPS logger software http://icculus.org/obdgpslogger/
[9:30] <ioi8> where you can capture your performance and times over a trip
[9:30] <ioi8> could be useful when trying to get the best times in a race
[9:30] <DJWillis> volatile1: I have a fair bit of computer gear in a truck that lacks even an engine managment syste, ;)
[9:30] <volatile1> :D
[9:31] * volatile1 likes electric cars
[9:31] <ioi8> since the touchbook is bluetooth capable.... you can use any standard ODBII BT device
[9:31] <volatile1> No other engine is so small and lightweight and has sooo much torque
[9:32] <ioi8> besides... electric cars need computers to manage the elecitricy and power
[9:32] <volatile1> Computer != pc
[9:33] <ioi8> you dont have to buy our units... but sooner or later all cars will have a PC interface of some type
[9:33] <volatile1> You wont take a faulty homebrew linux pc (touchbook) to manage things that will cost you much money if they fail
[9:33] <volatile1> Yes, an interface
[9:33] <ioi8> nothing will brwak if this fails... our pcs are not running anything engine related
[9:33] <volatile1> But the engine and charge management and more important stuff woll be done in something failsafe
[9:33] <volatile1> Yep
[9:33] <ioi8> this is all only an interface
[9:34] <volatile1> Yup
[9:34] <ioi8> although one of our guys used a PC to replace his ECU
[9:34] <DJWillis> volatile1: I think ioi8 is only talking about ICE and telemetry. Nothing to do with the EMS/CAMBus etc. in that ;-)
[9:35] <ioi8> his PC crashed once and his car stalled... haha
[9:35] <DJWillis> ioi8: really, doh!, not sure that's sane ;-)
[9:36] <volatile1> DJWillis: Yeah, I know
[9:36] <ioi8> DJWillis: if you are into this stuff... we have a freenode channel #linuxice
[9:37] <volatile1> DJWillis: I got a can bus system lying next to me, its a prototype I developd ;)
[9:37] <DJWillis> ioi8: to much to do, not enough time ;-). Busy trying to get the damm firmware for the OpenPandora done (and saving for a Touchbook ;-))
[9:42] <volatile1> Openpandora is nice
[9:42] <volatile1> Is its overall quality better then tb?
[9:42] <volatile1> than?
[9:42] <volatile1> then?
[9:42] <volatile1> than
[9:43] <ioi8> hmmm openpandora reminds me of this linux-based PSP clone i found a few years back
[9:44] <ioi8> http://gp2x.co.uk/
[9:44] <DJWillis> ioi8: what one? Ahhh, you can guess why, we decided the quality and support was lacking for the Gp2X so went and came up with the OpenPandora.
[9:45] <ioi8> are you working with the company that makes it?
[9:48] <DJWillis> ioi8: I am doing the firmware image for it (and also headed up the open firmware for the GP2X among other things in the past).
[9:48] <ioi8> awesome
[9:49] <ioi8> although i big tvs and old-style controls myself
[9:50] <ioi8> my idea is to take an x-arcade unit, add a mini-itx mobo with HDMI support and load mame on it http://www.xgaming.com/store/arcade-joysticks-and-game-controllers/product/x-arcade-tankstick-includes-usb-cables/
[9:50] <ioi8> portable arcade unit you can bring to any friend's house
[9:56] <DJWillis> ioi8: been there ;), I should dig out the GP2X I have mounted in a Dreamcast arcade stick (and wired upto it), used to work great but tempted to drop an OMAP3 board in there and redo it.
[10:00] <ioi8> i like to use off the hself components as much as possible
[10:00] <ioi8> i know the xarcade stuff would never break
[10:00] <DJWillis> ioi8: I am cheap ;)
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[10:01] <ioi8> im wondering if this would hold the touchbook http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-samsung-q1-umpc-suction-cup-mount.html
[10:02] <ioi8> Q1 had a 7" screen
[10:02] <ioi8> Dimensions: (approximately) 9 inches wide, 5.5 inches deep, 1 inch thick
[10:03] <ioi8> looks like height is gonna be deal-breaker
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[10:57] <viridior> hey everyone
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[11:10] <Meizirkki> hi viridior
[11:11] <viridior> Meizirkki: hey
[11:12] <Meizirkki> viridior, any luck with the hernels ;P
[11:12] <Meizirkki> kernels ?
[11:12] <viridior> nope, just sat down today to start working with that along with a couple other things
[11:12] <viridior> ill bump that up the list ;)
[11:13] <Meizirkki> ok
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[11:18] <volatile1> gregoiregentil: The touchbook has a internal rtc, right? Is it connected to the batteries or does it have any kind of supply when the tb is off?
[11:20] * viridior starts configuring a 2.6.32 kernel
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[11:35] <viridior> Meizirkki: building test kernel
[11:35] <Meizirkki> great
[11:36] <viridior> didn't turn on a lot, but i did include video,sound,wireless
[11:36] <viridior> more than likely you will need to you proprietary rt3070 drivers anyway
[11:37] <viridior> s/you/use
[11:38] <Meizirkki> k
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[12:02] <andrewgodwin> hrm, did anyone figure out how to get vrfb + the newer omapfb drivers playing nice togther?
[12:07] <viridior> Meizirkki: making modules
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[12:15] <viridior> damn McBSP and MTD are giving me problems :/
[12:18] <viridior> added lots of usb networking and some other filesystem support though
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[12:22] <Meizirkki> what's the difference between the otiginal beagle board file and TB board file ?
[12:22] <Meizirkki> as beagle kernels al seem to work...
[12:22] <Meizirkki> all
[12:23] <volatile1> http://mightyohm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ti_beagle_board_top2.jpg
[12:23] <volatile1> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Board
[12:23] <volatile1> Compare ;)
[12:24] <viridior> theyve said thats they borrowed heavily from the BB design
[12:24] <viridior> wow, i can't believe i just typed that. :P
[12:25] <volatile1> Sure they did
[12:25] <viridior> i need to replace that blue cord :/
[12:25] <viridior> at least...
[12:25] <volatile1> Why?
[12:25] <viridior> its a bit stripped, i don't have the color blue anymore ;)
[12:25] <viridior> green pretty much gone too
[12:26] <volatile1> lol
[12:26] <viridior> and the keyboard comes in and out, i would imagine thats a different issue
[12:26] <viridior> ill settle for blue and green first though ;)
[12:27] <Meizirkki> volatile1, i meant what's the difference in board .c files in kernel :P
[12:27] <viridior> yep, there is
[12:27] <volatile1> Okay, donnu ;)
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[12:35] <mervaka> :o
[12:35] <mervaka> moo
[12:35] <volatile1> This APT has Super Cow??Powers
[12:36] <mervaka> i take it its a bad thing if my battery doesnt charge? :(
[12:39] <volatile1> How do you know it doesnt?
[12:39] <volatile1> And which Bat?
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[12:53] <mervaka> top battery
[12:53] <volatile1> http://ftp.df.lth.se/pub/media/soasc/MOS6581R2/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Coffee_For_4_T01.sid.mp3
[12:53] <mervaka> but possibly bottom, too
[12:53] <volatile1> I wonder if anyone ever reads the wiki :(
[12:53] <volatile1> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Charging_batteries
[12:53] <mervaka> i stuck a meter across the battery (like the wiki says)
[12:53] <mervaka> and it says 3v
[12:54] <volatile1> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Troubleshooting#My_batteries_does_not_seem_to_charge
[12:54] <mervaka> oh
[12:54] <mervaka> the device has to be on?
[12:55] <volatile1> If the wiki says so... ;)
[12:55] <mervaka> :P
[12:55] <volatile1> *evil grin*
[12:55] <mervaka> but on the other hand
[12:55] <mervaka> because there's no charge in the battery
[12:55] <mervaka> it keeps cutting out
[12:55] <mervaka> and stuff
[12:55] <volatile1> Sorry, cant halp you there, mine runs
[12:56] <mervaka> heh
[12:56] <volatile1> Maybe charge the bottom one first for half some time
[12:56] <mervaka> mebbe
[12:56] <volatile1> And when the tb finally runs switch it on and charge top
[12:56] <volatile1> And then bottom again when top is full :D
[12:56] <snowman> can I order a touchbook via paypal?
[12:57] <mervaka> also, i assume it's not supposed to be delivered with someone else's XMPP account set up on pidgin?
[12:57] <mervaka> that threw me somewhat too :P
[12:57] <volatile1> mervaka: Lol
[12:57] <volatile1> Hm
[12:57] <volatile1> Sure its not on purpose?
[12:58] <mervaka> well i dunno
[12:58] <mervaka> there were two accounts
[12:58] <mervaka> with the same user at different domains, one gmail.com
[12:58] <volatile1> o0
[12:58] <volatile1> Spaaaam :D
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[12:59] <mervaka> cant seem to update the software either :(
[12:59] <mervaka> and when i stick the SD card into my PC, it cant pick it up
[12:59] <volatile1> Linux?
[12:59] <mervaka> ya
[12:59] <volatile1> Windows cant without additional drivers
[12:59] <volatile1> Okay ;)
[12:59] <mervaka> supposed to have two partitions isnt it?
[12:59] <mervaka> boot and rootfs
[12:59] <volatile1> um
[13:00] <volatile1> I think 4
[13:00] <mervaka> i might be thinking of ubuntu..
[13:00] <mervaka> but yeah
[13:00] <mervaka> more than one
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[13:21] <mervaka> so where do i find this battery monitoring software?
[13:22] <volatile1> Is there a dedicated software?
[13:22] <mervaka> apparently
[13:22] <volatile1> I thought the battery monitor is the thing
[13:22] <volatile1> Dunno :-(
[13:22] <mervaka> wheres that
[13:22] <mervaka> i cant find anything to do with battery monitoring
[13:22] <volatile1> In your system tray? xD
[13:22] <volatile1> In the right bottom corner of your screen
[13:24] <mervaka> nope
[13:24] <mervaka> nothing there
[13:24] <volatile1> o0
[13:24] <mervaka> running 09.c apparently
[13:24] <mervaka> i know theres newer versions
[13:24] <mervaka> but it aint updating! :(
[13:24] <volatile1> :(
[13:48] <hyc> there is no automatic updating yet, you have to download and install manually
[13:48] <hyc> read the wiki...
[13:48] <volatile1> (21:54:07) volatile1: I wonder if anyone ever reads the wiki :( <= :D
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[14:10] <hyc> it's one of those eternal truths of documentation - no one ever reads it...
[14:10] <volatile1> :)
[14:10] <hyc> I think for my next project I'll fill manual chapters in with text from The Canterbury Tales or something
[14:11] <hyc> see how long it takes before someone asks what's going on...
[14:11] <volatile1> But often I dont read the docu too, I first try something for hours, go into irc, complain stuff doesnt work and then they say its explained in wiki :D
[14:14] <volatile1> um
[14:14] <volatile1> That reminds me of the tb behind me
[14:14] <volatile1> I should finish the sd card so one can finally use that thing
[14:16] <volatile1> What does your tb run hyc?
[14:17] <hyc> current 11a
[14:17] <volatile1> Ah, AI OS?
[14:17] <hyc> yeah
[14:17] <volatile1> k
[14:17] <hyc> I haven't got the time to play with alternatives any more
[14:17] <volatile1> :(
[14:17] <hyc> it took long enough just to get OE/bitbake working
[14:18] <volatile1> One never has time, one has to take it! :D
[14:18] <hyc> heh
[14:18] <hyc> yeah, but that takes away from what I actually get paid to do :P
[14:18] <volatile1> Hehe
[14:18] <volatile1> You could take it away from your sleep
[14:18] <volatile1> You can sleep when youre dead! xD
[14:19] <hyc> already done. must use sparingly ;)
[14:19] <volatile1> :)
[14:22] <volatile1> Note to self: Typing is hard when your hands are finished, to type first, split wood after :(
[14:31] <volatile1> O come on!
[14:32] <volatile1> Looks like the lcd backlight just died?
[14:32] <volatile1> When I boot it goes on for a second, then off again
[14:47] <hyc> doesn't come back?
[14:47] <volatile1> Nope
[14:47] <volatile1> Not after a couple of seconds
[14:47] <volatile1> Havent tried minutes
[14:47] <volatile1> Not after 30 seconds or so
[14:48] <volatile1> What now?
[14:52] <mervaka> its all well and good saying read the wiki
[14:52] <volatile1> Yeah
[14:52] <mervaka> but where are the messages saying "not implemented yet"
[14:52] <mervaka> in the software
[14:52] <volatile1> Guess what Ive done the last minutes and what Im doing now
[14:53] <volatile1> And I dont think it has to do with the software
[14:53] <volatile1> I was about to say that
[14:53] <mervaka> erk
[14:54] <volatile1> But wanted to be sure
[14:54] <volatile1> So I ejected the sd
[14:54] <mervaka> if it were just the backlight
[14:54] <volatile1> And guess: It worked!
[14:54] <mervaka> you should still just about see stuff
[14:54] <volatile1> So wtf, how can the software kill the backlight after 1 second?
[14:55] * volatile1 is happy he didnt kill his backlight :D
[14:55] <mervaka> idd
[14:55] <volatile1> ?
[14:56] <mervaka> indeed
[14:56] <volatile1> :)
[15:03] <hyc> the backlight intensity is controlled thru PWM
[15:03] <hyc> the clock rate of the wave is set in software
[15:03] <volatile1> Okay
[15:03] <hyc> if the timer is disabled, it can leave the backlight off...
[15:03] <volatile1> yup
[15:03] <volatile1> Its simply the first time this happens to me ;)
[15:42] <mervaka> well
[15:42] <volatile1> Well?
[15:42] <mervaka> i've made an attempt to solve my password problem
[15:42] <volatile1> um
[15:42] <volatile1> Passwort problem?
[15:42] <mervaka> the password is stored in /etc/passwd and not shadow, so i can see the hash
[15:42] <mervaka> so i've set john on it.
[15:43] <volatile1> ok
[15:43] <mervaka> 64bit hash :(
[15:43] <volatile1> Do we talk of your tb?
[15:43] <mervaka> ofc
[15:43] <volatile1> *duck* sorry :D
[15:43] <mervaka> but the tb isnt the one crunching the numbers :P
[15:44] <volatile1> Hehe
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[15:44] <volatile1> Cant you just take the line of shadow from another pc?
[15:44] <volatile1> Just copy the hash
[15:44] <mervaka> cant write to it
[15:44] <mervaka> only read it
[15:44] <volatile1> o0?
[15:45] <mervaka> otherwise i would have.
[15:45] <volatile1> Why?
[15:45] <mervaka> someone else owned this tb before me it seems
[15:45] <mervaka> and they set the fucking password
[15:45] <mervaka> i cant read my SD card to wipe the last partition and start again
[15:45] <volatile1> And as root you cant write the file from another pc?!
[15:45] <volatile1> o0
[15:46] <volatile1> Thats strange
[15:46] <mervaka> so i have to make do with this one until i get a new SD card
[15:46] <volatile1> I cant believe that
[15:46] <mervaka> got a kingston 16GB class 4 in the post
[15:46] <volatile1> How could they stop a root from formatting the sd?
[15:46] <mervaka> nono
[15:46] <mervaka> i mean
[15:46] <mervaka> i get problems mounting the 8GB SD card elsewhere
[15:47] <volatile1> Yes
[15:47] <mervaka> dont know why..
[15:47] <volatile1> Im not to deep into linux (still learning ;)) but I thought this was not possible without using encryption or so
[15:48] <mervaka> brute forcing?
[15:48] <volatile1> :D
[15:48] <volatile1> Tried windows yet? :D
[15:48] <mervaka> no wai
[15:48] <volatile1> :P
[16:13] <volatile1> *yawn*
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[16:15] <mervaka> moi aussi
[16:15] <mervaka> nn
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[17:52] <hyc> just sounds like his machine doesn't have the filesystem driver for that particular partition's fs
[18:08] <ioi8> if you guys want a laugh... i made a new server system http://www.matthewslagle.com/pictures/myserver/
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[18:33] <Gary13579> ioi8, your fan placement is ineffective
[18:33] <Gary13579> PSU/CPU will generate much more heat than the HDDs
[18:34] <Gary13579> unless you're using some silly 10k RPM beasts that are spinning 24/7
[18:35] <ioi8> its a server?
[18:36] <ioi8> these things do generate some heat
[18:36] <ioi8> more so than the cpu/chipset
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[20:26] <Joeba> Help on keyboard shortcuts anyone?
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