#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-11-29

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[0:29] <snlemons-tb> weird. when I switch to tslib to try and fix some of my touchscreen issues, I can't click using the touchscreen.
[0:33] <Zopper> FIN__Master: are you here?
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[0:33] <snlemons-tb> shtylman: have you heard of anyone losing the ability to click when following the calibration steps you put on the wiki?
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[0:36] <Zopper> snlemons-tb: I have this issue too.
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[1:17] <jvs> snlemons-tb, the instructions on the wiki are bogus
[1:18] <jvs> if you are running the lates ai os, you actually are already using tslib
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[1:41] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: out of interest are you using the 0.0.5 or 0.0.6 xinput tslib driver? I have seen issues with 0.0.6 stopping raising 'click' events on the Pandora but other move events are raised. Not tracked down the cause, very annoying.
[2:05] <snlemons-tb> jvs: that doesn't seem right. my xorg.conf very clearly said it was using evdev
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: not sure I see anything as .0.5 or .0.6
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: xinput - 1.3.0-r0.3
[2:06] <jvs> snlemons-tb, that you were not using the latest ai os
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: tslib-calibrate - 1.0-r22.2.3 -
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> tslib-conf - 1.0-r22.2.3 -
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> tslib-tests - 1.0-r22.2.3 -
[2:06] <snlemons-tb> xf86-input-tslib - 0.0.6-r7.4
[2:07] <snlemons-tb> jvs: most definitely am, unless there's been a second release in November.
[2:08] <snlemons-tb> wiki says 11.a is newest, and that's what I installed manually.
[2:08] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: interesting, I assume you get no clicks but movement is registered ok? Sounds like the same bug I am trying to track down on the Pandora (and is driving me nuts as I want to use 0.0.6 for a few reasons but only 0.0.5 works well ;-)).
[2:09] <jvs> snlemons-tb, I see
[2:10] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: yeah, it moves fine, but I don't get clicks registered. sometimes I get 1 registeredand none after that. it also stops registering regular mouse clicks after I try with screen.
[2:11] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: yep, sounds about right and considering both the Pandora and TB are using the same package with the same bug it seems clear where the problem is. Joy, one more bug to patch.
[2:12] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: yeah, good times. seem to be several real killer touchscreen related bugs I'm encountering. :(
[2:13] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: moving back to 0.0.5 will sort that issue but you will loose a few of the overloaded bits like right-click on touch etc.
[2:14] <snlemons-tb> ah, not sure I use right click much. I'm sure I'll miss it once it's gone, though. :)
[2:14] <snlemons-tb> which package did you mean? xf86-input-tslib?
[2:15] <snlemons-tb> I just noticed it in the list, and it's the one with a 0.0.6 version, but I wanted to be sure.
[2:16] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: same issue for me, I was using libgtkstylus to get the right click on the older packages but as I have a handful of QT packages I need to carry I need the right click done somewhere lower.
[2:16] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: yep, xf86-input-tslib
[2:17] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: cool. thanks. might try it. would love to have the screen better calibrated. do you know if the calibration fix from the wiki will give me proper calibration when rotated?
[2:17] <snlemons-tb> touchscreen becomes pretty much useless to me when rotated, currently
[2:17] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: I don't have a TB so can't tell you.
[2:18] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: there is just a lot of overlap with what I am doing on the OpenPandora and there are some decent folks in the chan so I help if I can.
[2:18] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: ah, ok. jvs, you seem to have this calibration thing worked out. any idea whether it'll fix my rotation issues? I didn't see anything conclusive on the forums or bug listings.
[2:19] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: the Pandora's screen does not rotate but at a guess assuming the TB has an event that is fired for the rotation a simple script and 2 sets of tslib calibrations would be the way to go, it should not be hard to get going.
[2:20] <jvs> snlemons-tb, the calibration on the wiki did not work out for me
[2:20] <jvs> I had to create my own pointercal
[2:20] <snlemons-tb> jvs: ah. how do you go about that?
[2:21] <snlemons-tb> jvs: I tried ts_calibrate, but it errors saying some file is missing.
[2:21] <jvs> mom
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[2:21] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: run it as root or sudo/su up 1st.
[2:22] <snlemons-tb> think I did. will try again.
[2:22] <DJWillis> Hmmm, does the TB even carry sudo/gksudo etc?
[2:22] <snlemons-tb> sudo, yes.
[2:23] <snlemons-tb> says "ts_open: no such fiile or directory"
[2:23] <snlemons-tb> jvs: sorry, what did "mom" mean in that context?
[2:23] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: what's the contents of you tslib.conf? That looks like it's trying to open the wrong device.
[2:24] <snlemons-tb> I have ts.conf, but I assume that works, too.
[2:25] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: humor me ;-)
[2:25] <snlemons-tb> first line is "module_raw input" the rest look like settings that wouldn't affect which device it looked for
[2:25] <DJWillis> ok
[2:26] <snlemons-tb> last line is "module linear" in case that matters.
[2:27] <jvs> one moment :)
[2:27] <jvs> snlemons-tb, have a look > http://marwww.in2p3.fr/~duval/wiki_html_dump/articles/t/s/l/Tslib.html
[2:27] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: it should open /dev/input/touchscreen0 as that is the normal OE/Angstrom symlink to the active primary touchscreen, that error sounds like it's looking somewhere else. strace ts_calibrate to see what it is opening maybe?
[2:27] <jvs> you should have a ts.conf
[2:27] <jvs> you need to create another env.var and source it
[2:28] <jvs> and then calibrate as stated
[2:28] <snlemons-tb> open("/dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[2:28] <snlemons-tb> jvs: I do have a ts.conf
[2:29] <jvs> yupp
[2:29] <jvs> but I could find no trace of export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/event0
[2:29] <jvs> export TSLIB_TSEVENTTYPE=INPUT
[2:29] <jvs> export TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf
[2:29] <jvs> export TSLIB_CALIBFILE=/etc/pointercal
[2:30] <jvs> that's why I threw this values into a separate file and sourced it
[2:30] <jvs> then calibrated
[2:30] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: hmmmm, do you have the symlink? I can't vouch for how gregoiregentil has set it up but that will cause borkage of some Angstrom packages that assume if there is a TS it is at the right place ;-)
[2:31] <DJWillis> Can someone on a TB do an ls /dev/input/tou* for me?
[2:31] <snlemons-tb> jvs: added those env vars, still get that "no such file" error
[2:32] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: /dev/input/touchscreen0
[2:32] <jvs> sourced it?
[2:32] <snlemons-tb> jvs: yeps
[2:32] <jvs> hmm
[2:32] <jvs> I did that from outside X
[2:33] <jvs> then startedX, twm, and ran calibrate
[2:33] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: so, my screen seems to be touchscreen0 and ts_calibrate seems to be looking for just touchscreen, no?
[2:34] <snlemons-tb> jvs: shouldn't matter, right? sourced the file in the same shell I ran ts_calibrate from.
[2:34] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: then use that symlink in the TSLIB_TSDEVICE= bit not the direct device but other than that, yep, it should use that but you said it was using /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 (assuming you went far enough down the strace)
[2:35] <jvs> snlemons-tb, no clue then
[2:38] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: out of interest what does the xorg.conf look like for the xinput tslib driver?
[2:40] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: I added this line to the file I was sourcing with the env vars and it's still looking for touchscreen, instead of touchscreen0:
[2:41] <snlemons-tb> export TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/touchscreen0
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> as for xorg.conf...
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> Section "InputDevice"
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> Identifier "touch"
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> Driver "tslib"
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> Option "Device" "/dev/input/touchscreen0"
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> EndSection
[2:44] <snlemons-tb> if you need more, I'll just pastebin you the file
[2:45] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: go for it, just seening if anything jumps out
[2:48] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: one second. brb.
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[2:55] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: http://pastebin.com/m444707e2
[2:55] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: can you check if HAL is running, may have just found something interesting with HAL and the hard coded device munging events.
[2:56] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: hald and hald-runner what you're looking for?
[2:56] <snlemons-tb> got those and a few other hald* processes. as well as halevt
[3:00] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: ok, can you try something (don't have a Pandora handy or I would try there), edit xorg.conf and comment out Option "Device" "/dev/input/touchscreen0". That said, I don't know how the TB deals with running without a touchscreen (assuming HAL does not do what I think it should do) so there is a small risk I guess that you will loose the TS input for that session.
[3:00] <DJWillis> In theory HAL should provide the device dynamically and not munge the click and motion events (as it seems to be doing now).
[3:01] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: ok. trying now.
[3:02] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: can I just restart the session (Ctrl-Alt-Bksp) or do I need to fully reboot?
[3:02] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: in theory session but I am not sure, HAL should not need a restart.
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[3:06] <snlemons-tb> DJWillis: it appears you were correct
[3:06] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: there is also a Rotate directive in the xinput-tslib driver that takes CW, UD and CCW as prams, seems to suggest it supports the axis swapping so that may be of use on the screen rotation, not sure but interesting.
[3:06] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: correct good or correct bad ;-)
[3:06] <snlemons-tb> still can't ts_calibrate, but at least I can click.
[3:07] <snlemons-tb> jvs: I wonder if your calibration file would work for me. you saidrotation does or does not work properly for you?
[3:08] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: ok, one down, one to go, not a total loss ;)
[3:08] <jvs> snlemons-tb, in the default landscape I had an offset of about 1 cm
[3:08] <jvs> this is gone now
[3:08] <jvs> in portrait mode, there still is offset
[3:08] <jvs> but I can deal with hit
[3:08] <jvs> *it
[3:09] <jvs> I believe it would be no problem create 4 different pointercal files and reload them after rotation
[3:09] <jvs> I haven't had time to look into it yet
[3:10] <snlemons-tb> jvs: I see. well, my landscape seems fine. portrait is where I tend to have issues.
[3:30] <snlemons-tb> in fact, in portrait things are off by at least a few cm
[3:33] <DJWillis> snlemons-tb: assuming the units are all made in a consistent fashion grab jvs's /etc/pointercal and try that.
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[4:37] <jvs> DJWillis, they aren't
[4:37] <jvs> and for me, landscape wasn't fine
[4:42] <DJWillis> jvs: bummer :(
[4:44] <jvs> DJWillis, we've received 3 touchbooks
[4:44] <jvs> and on all the touchscreen did behave differently
[4:47] <DJWillis> jvs: damm, that sucks, so a first run calibration should be baked into the firmware at the very least then, we are doing that with the Pandora despite the fact that all the TS's so far behave well with a single calibration, it just removes the need for any funnies later.
[4:50] <jvs> I see
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[6:18] <Eruquen> does anyone else have problems compiling code on the touchbook? I always get configure: exit 77 in config.log and cofigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[6:18] <Eruquen> gcc and libc6-dev have been installed
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[7:06] <DJWillis> Eruquen: nothing as silly as a missing symlink to gcc from the installed package? what does gcc --version tell you?
[7:07] <Eruquen> gcc 4.3.3
[7:08] <DJWillis> Eruquen: I assume you have tried a really simple hello world test to make sure that the env is basically good?
[7:08] <Eruquen> actually, I have no idea how to do this.. I know a little c, but I don't know how to create make files and ./configure scripts and all that
[7:10] <DJWillis> Eruquen: gcc helloworld.c
[7:10] <DJWillis> Just knock up a simple few line test.
[7:10] <Eruquen> okay, I get "error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: no such file or directory"
[7:11] <DJWillis> So there is your problem, not everything you want seems to be installed.
[7:13] <Eruquen> wow
[7:13] <Eruquen> ipkg install cpp did the trick
[7:13] <DJWillis> Eruquen: is cc1 on your system (that is the underlaying GCC C compiler)
[7:13] <DJWillis> Ahhh, cool
[7:13] <Eruquen> thanks for your help
[7:13] <DJWillis> no probs, not like I did a lot ;-)
[7:25] <Eruquen> hm, now make fails trying to execute `ar cru ...`: "ar: -u (PROGRAM ERROR) Option should have been recognized?"
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[8:04] <Zopper> FIN__Master: are you here?
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[10:29] <Zopper> anyone have ubuntu on TB?
[10:42] <Meizirkki_> me
[10:42] <Zopper> Meizirkki_: have you working wifi?
[10:42] <Meizirkki_> yes
[10:42] <Meizirkki_> with NM
[10:43] <Meizirkki_> copied over /lib/modules /lib/firmware and /etc/Wireless from AIOS
[10:43] <Meizirkki_> wicd and iwconfig are working too
[10:43] <Zopper> thanks :D that is what I probably searching
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[12:32] <Zopper> hmm... I have a question: When I set date to today ( #date MMDDhhmm), it seems to be ok, but when I restart, date reset to default value... Is it normal?
[12:34] <Gary13579> Zopper, that'd be due to ntp
[12:34] <Gary13579> you need to edit your time zone most likely
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[12:35] <Zopper> Gary13579: but when I am not on internet? ntp can do synchronize, when there is no connection to servers?
[12:35] <Gary13579> oh hmm
[12:36] <Gary13579> no idea about that
[12:36] <Zopper> Gary13579: and timezone mey set difference in hours, not in weeks....
[12:36] <Zopper> *may set
[12:37] <Gary13579> Zopper, is the system being shut down okay? or is it crashing/hard resetting?
[12:37] <Gary13579> might not be saving the correct time
[12:38] <Zopper> Gary13579: I tried halt and reboot
[12:38] <Zopper> and do it on aios as on ubuntu
[12:39] <FIN__Master> Zopper: No idea why the wireless doesn't work for you..
[12:39] <Gary13579> I don't know enough about the hardware to have any idea about how the clock works
[12:39] <FIN__Master> It works in my tb and i did nothing to it after installing ubuntu
[12:40] <Zopper> I have afraid, I have bad HW... :( I have problems with things, that evereyone have no problem.....
[12:40] <FIN__Master> i have problems with the clock also
[12:41] <FIN__Master> have you got working wifi with aios?
[12:41] <Zopper> yes..
[12:41] <FIN__Master> then it shouldn't be in the hw
[12:42] <Zopper> on ubuntu I see only "lo", when i type ifconfig -a
[12:42] <FIN__Master> hmm. you should see ra0
[12:43] <Zopper> FIN__Master: I have big stability issues on aios, so I now trying ubuntu, if I will have the same problems here..
[12:44] <FIN__Master> I had quite solid aios. And ubuntu seems solid too. But i had to try installing ubuntu many times before got it to work properly..
[12:44] <FIN__Master> You could try to format the card and run the copyscript again
[12:44] <Zopper> (kernel panic after a few minutes of using TB, sometimes immediately after boot on clearly instaled OS.... on ubuntu it seems be better)
[12:45] <FIN__Master> have you tried different cards?
[12:45] <Zopper> yes...
[12:45] <Zopper> no difference
[12:45] <Zopper> I'll try reinstall ubuntu tomorow...
[12:45] <FIN__Master> it sucks to be in that situation :S
[12:46] <FIN__Master> i had big issues when installing ubuntu and Mer with a card reader integrated to my laptop but when i bought another reader and used it with my desktop, things started to work..
[12:47] <Zopper> FIN__Master: I can try it, but... stability problems were also on pre-instaled card...
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[12:51] <FIN__Master> anyone here tried to install Qt in tb ubuntu?
[12:51] <Zopper> one little offtopic question - is there any way, how to get batteries state in terminal? something like "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info"?
[12:51] <hyc> cat /sys/class/power_supply/*/uevent
[12:52] <hyc> there is no ACPI, that's x86/PC specific
[12:53] <Zopper> hyc: Thanks, I know that there is on acpi, but I didn't know, what else i must use...
[12:58] <Zopper> FIN__Master: have you working touchscreen? If yes, I have some next issues....
[12:58] <FIN__Master> yes I had in aios but in ubuntu it needs serious calibration
[12:58] <FIN__Master> but it works in ubuntu too but not right
[12:59] <Zopper> FIN__Master: In ubuntu I have cursor after touch touchscreen on right bottom corner. Have you also?
[13:00] <FIN__Master> Yes. And when touching the upper left of the screen the cursos is about in the middle of the screen
[13:01] <FIN__Master> you could try this: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Touchscreen_calibration
[13:01] <FIN__Master> i cant now because my tb is compiling Qt
[13:01] <Zopper> ok, I'll try it and tell you...
[13:04] <Zopper> but at first I need resolve wifi problems... without working wifi, I cant make installations.. (ok, I can download package on my ntb and copy it over usb dongle, but there are dependencies etc...)
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[13:11] <Zopper> FIN__Master: I solved the dbus error... I added user to fuse, polkituser and haldaemon group and now I can run wicd (probably needs only one of these groups). But wifi still no appears...
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[13:12] <FIN__Master> i think you should see it with ifconfig -a before you can use wicd
[13:13] <FIN__Master> it doesn't help removing and pluggin the dongle? Or to a different usb slot?
[13:14] <Zopper> I tried also diferent wifi dongle
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[13:15] <FIN__Master> have you tried copyin the modules, wireless etc. again? it somethings wrong with those..
[13:15] <Zopper> nothing... In "lshal | grep -i wi", I can see it (USB Wireless interface)
[13:16] <Zopper> I tried copy it manualy at first...
[13:17] <FIN__Master> and are the file permissions right with those files from aios?
[13:17] <FIN__Master> I dont really know what could be the issue. Im just guessing :)
[13:18] <Zopper> I'll check it... maybe it is the problem
[13:21] <Zopper> I have different permissions there... these are on user (uid 1001) acc ownership, so I change it on root
[13:22] <Zopper> no.. ifconfig -a still nothing...
[13:22] <Zopper> (I rebooted after change)
[13:23] <Zopper> I have no idea today... at tomorow, I'll try reinstall it and we will see...
[13:23] <Zopper> so thanks for your help
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[13:25] <FIN__Master> no prob. hope youll get it fixed
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[21:35] <snowman_> does the touchbook come with an SD card already in it?
[21:36] <drantin> yes
[21:36] <drantin> an 8G card
[21:36] <snowman_> 8G card with the OS i'm assuming...
[21:36] <drantin> yes
[21:36] <snowman_> how big is the OS?
[21:37] <drantin> can't recall off hand, and mine isn't plugged in atm... http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/release/2009-09.c/
[21:37] <drantin> ran down the battery recently, by accident...
[21:39] <snowman_> oh lol
[21:39] <snowman_> would you say that it was worth the $400?
[21:41] <drantin> for the use I get out of it normally? yes. although people not willing to put up with a few random niggles here and there would be better of waiting, or going with something else
[21:41] <drantin> it's extremely good value to me though...
[21:42] <snowman_> well I like messing around with stuff so it being based off the beagleboard is pretty convieniet
[21:42] <snowman_> does it have an rs-232?
[21:44] <drantin> nope
[21:44] <drantin> but I do have a usb to rs232 adapter somewhere...
[21:45] <drantin> not sure how that helps though
[21:45] <snowman_> :-/ I don't think that it gives the functionality... and it's probably a usb to rs-232 instead of the other way around
[21:46] <snowman_> I mean rs-232 to usb not the other way around ******
[21:47] <snowman_> but I guess that makes it pretty much un-brickable
[21:56] <Gary13579> snowman_, the entire OS is contained on the SD card
[21:56] <Gary13579> which effectively makes it unbrickable
[21:57] <snowman_> yah thats what I meant
[21:57] <snowman_> so is there a way to update the uboot then?
[21:58] <Gary13579> I'm not sure the specifics, but if that's store on the internal NAND then yeah it's rewritable
[22:00] <hyc> the u-boot is loaded off the SD card too
[22:00] <hyc> for the most part, you should pretend the NAND doesn't exist
[22:01] <hyc> the last guy who rewrote his NAND had to get a custom binary from alexandre to un-brick it
[22:02] <hyc> you can always get the source to the AI u-boot and tweak it
[22:06] <Gary13579> hyc, what's contained on the NAND then?
[22:19] <hyc> probably the code that loads the SD card bootblock
[22:19] <hyc> not sure
[22:19] <hyc> maybe nothing at all
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[22:22] <hyc> there, you could ask alexandre ;)
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[22:24] <snowman_> whats so special bout alexandre? you guys seem to have a lot of faith in him
[22:28] <snowman_> what would you use the squashfs for?
[22:29] <hyc> snowman_: alexandre is an AI employee
[22:30] <snowman_> oh
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[22:41] <alexandre> hi all
[22:42] <hyc> howdy alexandre
[22:45] <alexandre> snowman_: what's the matter?
[22:45] <snowman_> nothing
[22:46] <snowman_> I was just wondering who you were
[22:46] <snowman_> and what the squashfs filesystem in the release repo was for
[22:47] <hyc> you dd the squahfs image onto partition 1 of the SD card
[22:47] <hyc> that's the root filesystem
[22:48] <snowman_> oh
[22:48] <hyc> (p1, 2nd partition. p0 is 1st.)
[22:49] <snowman_> I'm assuming all of the binaries in the rootfs are for ARM
[22:51] <snowman_> is there a way to replace U-boot with grub?
[22:52] <snowman_> and then put an actual filesystem instead of a sqashedfs
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[22:55] <snowman_> does the always innovating updater extract some type of filesystem from sd-card.gz and put it on the card?
[22:56] <alexandre> the .gz is an image of the card
[22:56] <alexandre> if you gunzip it you get a 8GB single file
[22:57] <snowman_> why can't you look inside of the image file like you could with an iso?
[22:58] <jod> hi guys :)
[22:59] <drantin> you can look inside with the squashfs tools... and you can mount it on your computer etc...
[22:59] <snowman_> oh its sqashed?
[22:59] <snowman_> thats why
[23:00] <snowman_> does all Uboot do is just mount and run the sqashfs?
[23:00] <drantin> unsquashfs can list the contents... you probably need to decompress it first though, as I don't think it operates on gzipped files...
[23:01] <snowman_> well I'm on windows right now and I don't feel like running my ubuntu VM as I'm about to go to sleep...
[23:03] <drantin> heh, my windows is in a VM
[23:07] <alexandre> about the booting process and what U-boot does (or not), you can find some infos on the wiki
[23:07] <snowman_> ehh well I have a gaming rig and VMs... ehhh gaming + VM don't mix
[23:07] <alexandre> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Booting
[23:07] <alexandre> and http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/U-boot
[23:08] <snowman_> yah I read part of that but reading the whole thing now helps more
[23:09] <snowman_> if it has no rs-232 then why does it set a baud rate?
[23:10] <snowman_> oh it has serial but just not rs-232 serial
[23:23] <jod> touchbook has only 256MB RAM is not? :D
[23:23] <dpb> is not?
[23:24] <jod> :D sry
[23:24] <jod> or not
[23:25] <alexandre> jod: more details on http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Touch_Book_specs
[23:25] <jod> flash memory is for system, right?
[23:28] <alexandre> the OS is on the SD card, if this is your question
[23:30] <jod> yes
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[23:30] <jod> so why is this flash memory integrated on board? :)
[23:31] <hyc> hmm, my old Win98 laptop had only 192MB of RAM
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[23:32] <jod> my 512, and is too slow! :D
[23:32] <hyc> the flash is part of the OMAP3530 chip
[23:33] <hyc> and you *can* use it for booting purposes
[23:33] <hyc> but if you want to stay compatible with the AI OS releases, you're safer not to touch it
[23:34] <hyc> (I remember when I used to think that old laptop was *fast* ;)
[23:35] <hyc> I'm guessing that once the OS is in a final state, and no longer beta, AI will start using it more extensively
[23:35] <jod> ah, is something like bios or EFI? :D
[23:36] <hyc> I guess. currently its only job is to load the SD bootblock, I think. everything else is done by u-boot on the SD
[23:37] <hyc> I've been wanting to patch the loader to read a bootblock off a USB flash drive
[23:37] <hyc> haven't had time yet
[23:38] <dpb> You need to patch it?
[23:38] <dpb> I thought you just need to change the boot params
[23:40] <hyc> I haven't looked into it at all yet.
[23:40] <hyc> I assumed there would be some level of pain getting it to read the USB at all
[23:46] <dpb> Atleast when I used a beagleboard, I could just edit the uboot kernel lines and just changed the root parameter to point to the usb partition. If you do it wrong on the touchbook, it's more difficult to fix though, you need to solder the serial port stuff so you can get to the uboot console..
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[23:49] <hyc> would that be using fw_setenv on the touchbook?
[23:51] <hyc> I guess we're losing a lot by not having serial console access
[23:52] <hyc> it would be nice to have a menu onscreen, like lilo or grub
[23:52] <hyc> then we could boot on USB and do SD card updates all on the TB itself
[23:56] <dpb> hyc: yes, fw_setenv

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