#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-11-14

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[4:03] <jvs> lol
[4:03] <jvs> my touchbooks took 3 days to be accepted
[4:03] <jvs> by usps
[4:04] <jvs> maybe I have them by december -_-
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[5:15] <leinir> Mmm, tea :)
[5:15] <leinir> jvs: ...plural?
[5:16] <jvs> ummm... well...
[5:16] <jvs> we're playing how I met your mother
[5:16] <jvs> this should explain everything
[5:20] <leinir> except i've no idea what that means ;)
[5:20] * leinir suspects this is some type of young adults' game common in certain parts of the English speaking world... which don't include Denmark ;)
[5:24] <jvs> no, it's a tv show
[5:24] <jvs> "How I met your mother"
[5:24] <jvs> we were replaying a scene on irc
[5:24] <jvs> :)
[5:25] <jvs> not planned, it just fitted into the on going discussion
[5:26] <leinir> Right :)
[5:35] * jvs waits for his touchbook to arrive
[5:39] * leinir is looking forward to putting mer on his... :)
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[8:05] <Corsac> hmhmh
[8:05] <Corsac> http://litl.com/
[8:07] <leinir> Nice design... fail-tech ;)
[8:07] <leinir> Look at all those people wanting to touch the screen on the pictures they show of it...
[8:08] <leinir> guess if the device has a touch-screen? ;)
[8:12] <dpb> fail-tech?
[8:13] <leinir> dpb: Anything that looks like it should have a touch screen but doesn't... if that isn't fail-tech i don't know what is :)
[8:21] * dpb shrugs
[8:21] <leinir> one of the base rules of usability, really...
[8:22] <leinir> If something looks like it should perform in a particular way, it /should/ perform in that way ;)
[8:25] <Corsac> principle of least surprise
[8:26] <leinir> Indeed :)
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[9:39] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, ping?
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[10:37] <rrebel_> Anyone have trouble installing 2009-11.a onto a 8GB sandisk card?
[10:37] <rrebel_> I followed the instructions on the wiki, I have the card os'd now. But TB goes quick flash then black screen when powered on.
[10:44] <rrebel_> sfdisk: ERROR: sector 0 does not have an msdos signature
[10:44] <rrebel_> is the only error I see.
[10:48] <rrebel_> I used the install-sd.sh and image.squashfs method on a linux box.
[10:52] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: pong
[10:52] <gregoiregentil> rrebel_: sure that you are using the latest version of the script?
[10:52] <gregoiregentil> install-sd.sh
[10:53] <gregoiregentil> can you put the card in your ubuntu machine and do fdisk -l and pastebin
[10:57] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, my Touch Books hinge broke 2 days ago, if i contact the help desk is there a hope to get it fixed somehow?
[10:57] <gregoiregentil> can you be more precise about the break? where exactly?
[11:00] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: Yes, and guess what. Going through the process a second time on the same new card worked.
[11:01] <rrebel_> Well, except on first boot tablet mode locks the screen/touchscreen up.
[11:01] <gregoiregentil> OK.
[11:01] <gregoiregentil> it's recommended to exit the script when you get the message
[11:02] <gregoiregentil> I don't understand your last comment
[11:02] <gregoiregentil> so is it working or not?
[11:03] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: Yes, it's now booting the new card.
[11:03] <gregoiregentil> OK
[11:04] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, the plastic around those small screws has cracked
[11:04] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: However, the tablet mode locks requiring a ctl-alt-backspace to restart X (thanks for re-enabling that) if you select the Web button.
[11:05] <gregoiregentil> on which side?
[11:06] <gregoiregentil> rrebel_: what's the web button?
[11:06] <gregoiregentil> rrebel_: is it a clean card?
[11:06] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, right side
[11:06] <gregoiregentil> I mean which side, top or bottom?
[11:06] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: when the 3d looking panel interface loads, there are three choices Applications, Web, Settings
[11:07] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, i guess it's the bottom side
[11:07] <gregoiregentil> rrebel_: OK. I see what you mean
[11:07] <rrebel_> Once it loads, if you select Web, the entire panel interface becomes unresponsive and you are unable to select return to keyboard mode.
[11:07] <rrebel_> Thus ctl-alt-backspace is required.
[11:08] <gregoiregentil> OK. I don't think that it's related to your different SD card
[11:08] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, only the left side is keeping it together atm..
[11:08] <gregoiregentil> as we are nice (unlike your blog post...), we can do two things:
[11:09] <gregoiregentil> - (preferred), we send you a bottom plastic part only, and you need to exchange it. You have info on the wiki
[11:09] <gregoiregentil> you need to unscrew everything, and replace the bottom plastic part only
[11:09] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: Nope. And selecting Settings does the same thing as well. I am testing other combinations now.
[11:10] <gregoiregentil> - (not preferred), we do an exchange of the bottom. You pay for shipping back to us. We repair or replace. we ship back to you
[11:10] <gregoiregentil> obviously, first option is faster and less expensive than second (hence the preferred)
[11:10] <gregoiregentil> Meizirkki: are you in the US or oversea?
[11:11] <Meizirkki> oversea..
[11:11] <gregoiregentil> which country?
[11:11] <Meizirkki> finland
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> option 1 is strongly preferred. The only step that needs attention is removing the bottom battery as it's taped on the bottom plastic part
[11:12] <gregoiregentil> and we can also send you the counterbalance fix at the same time
[11:13] <Meizirkki> okay
[11:14] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, what blog post btw ?
[11:15] * Meizirkki hasn't written any blogposts
[11:15] <gregoiregentil> OK. I'm probably confused with somebody else
[11:15] <gregoiregentil> so, please send an email to contact and reference this chat
[11:15] <Meizirkki> sure
[11:16] <gregoiregentil> I'm fine to send you the part but for my knowledge, did you something wrong (keyboard falling) or does it break naturally (which would be very strange to me)?
[11:19] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, I haven't dropped it ever
[11:19] <gregoiregentil> OK. No problem. I was just asking to understand if we have a weak part
[11:20] <Meizirkki> i haven't had any particular bag designed for netbooks though
[11:21] <Meizirkki> i have always kept it in my schoolbag, i guess that's normal use :)
[11:26] <gregoiregentil> yup. I agree
[11:34] <azaghal> It could be just the issue of shipping :/
[11:35] <azaghal> Btw, are early November machines coming with the "load balancer"? :)
[11:36] <rrebel_> btw, with the new image, how do you get root?
[11:37] <rrebel_> sudo su - doesn't work, su - complains about no password.
[11:37] <gregoiregentil> The ones that has been shipped this week, no. The one that will be shipped this coming week: perhaps. The ones that will be shipped the week after: certainly
[11:37] <leinir> rrebel_: sudo -s
[11:37] <gregoiregentil> sudo -s
[11:37] <rrebel_> ugh, that simple
[11:37] <leinir> sure, simple, but no obvious :)
[11:40] <rrebel_> Well, now I have to figure out why it thinks my network is 802.11b instead of g
[11:42] <gregoiregentil> in the python UI, there is a check if it's a b or g
[11:42] <gregoiregentil> I don't remember exactly. it's extracting from iwconfig
[11:43] <rrebel_> Well, I permit mixed mode on my dd-wrt router and I know G works with my Mac. But it lists my network as type b.
[11:44] <rrebel_> Once opkg is done updating I'll check out iwconfig
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> read the python files in /usr/bin/ai/networking
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> but don't do opkg update
[11:44] <gregoiregentil> it will mess up everything
[11:47] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil, e-mail sent, thanks a lot for helping me out :)
[11:50] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: too late. It's not done yet though.
[11:50] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: even though the UI says "b" it's actually connected at G bitrates.
[11:51] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: opkg update only updates the package indexes on the local system. Should I kill it ?
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[11:53] <gregoiregentil> self.protocol_pattern = re.compile("Protocol\s*[:=]\s*IEEE 802.11\s*([abg]+)", re.I | re.M | re.S) in network_base.py
[11:53] <gregoiregentil> so take a look at the output of iwlist ra0 scan
[11:53] <gregoiregentil> and see what you get around IEEE 802.11
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[11:57] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: IEEE 802.11b/g
[11:57] <rrebel_> That regex is wrong.
[11:58] <rrebel_> For any network that supports both b/g or more it will give the first one matching
[11:59] <rrebel_> Eg, b/g/n will also show up in the gui as b as it's the first match.
[12:00] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: so why will opkg update (not upgrade) bork my install?
[12:01] <gregoiregentil> because it's linked to angstrom which uses a different glibc
[12:06] <rrebel_> Oh great. That's how I got openssh the last time.
[12:07] <rrebel_> So I can't use anything from opkg right?
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[12:08] <gregoiregentil> correct
[12:09] <rrebel_> Hmm. So what's the best course for me to install an SSH server then?
[12:09] <rrebel_> I have a full bitbake setup here for the tb.
[12:10] <rrebel_> Which I have to update, iot
[12:10] <rrebel_> it's 2 or 3 weeks out of date.
[12:11] <gregoiregentil> would dropbear do what you need?
[12:11] <rrebel_> I need a server, not just a client.
[12:11] <rrebel_> does dropbear provide a server? I didn't think it did.
[12:11] <gregoiregentil> yes.
[12:11] <gregoiregentil> it does
[12:11] <rrebel_> Okeydokey.
[12:12] <gregoiregentil> Dropbear SSH server and client: http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html
[12:12] <rrebel_> I am there now.
[12:12] <gregoiregentil> /etc/init.d/dropbear start
[12:12] <gregoiregentil> I would try this
[12:12] <rrebel_> Thanks. There are other things I wanted out of opkg but I'll have to bitbake them I guess.
[12:14] <gregoiregentil> yes. What do you need?
[12:16] <rrebel_> btw, does anyone been using an IMAP client on their TB? If so which one?
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[12:21] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: vim for one. I want to be able to work when I am on the train etc without a wifi connection.
[12:22] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: I actually would like a full dev chain even though it won't be used that often. The SD card has the space.
[12:23] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: Mostly so I can compile modules for Perl, Ruby, and Python. I don't do all that much C/C++/ObjectiveC, and when I do I won't be using the TB for it unless I am ssh'ing into a more powerful machine3.
[12:32] <rrebel_> gregoiregentil: Is this what you meant by running opkg update, now when I run ipkg install rxvt I get this:
[12:32] <rrebel_> Upgrading libc6 on root from 2.6.1-r35.0.3 to 2.9-r35.2.4...
[12:34] <gregoiregentil> yup
[12:35] <rrebel_> Great. I'll just wipe out the 4th partition from my linux box. that should reset everything.
[12:35] <rrebel_> Or just re-image the card.
[12:35] <gregoiregentil> correct
[12:35] <gregoiregentil> I can add vim to next image. let's convince by the other request
[12:36] <rrebel_> vim is kind of very important to me. I'd also love nedit, which is X and has good syntax highlighting.
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[14:39] <azaghal> emacs is in, right?
[14:40] <gregoiregentil> no but it may be in next version. compiling now
[14:40] <azaghal> :)
[14:41] <azaghal> Btw, anyone done some speed comparison on C++ compiling?
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[15:59] <viridior> evening all
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[19:43] <jaggz> eve
[19:43] <jaggz> :)
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[22:27] <tommd> hello TomMD-TB!
[22:27] <TomMD-TB> hello tommd!
[22:28] <TomMD-TB> Good to see me here.
[22:28] <tommd> Have you gone insane? You're talking to yourself.
[22:29] <TomMD-TB> Why yes, I have!
[22:29] <tommd> Shove it and get back to work!
[22:29] <gregoiregentil> !!!
[22:29] <tommd> Oh, hi
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