#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-11-05

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[0:09] <ryuo> gregoiregentil1, evening.
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[0:09] <ryuo> fun. finished making a new package.
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[0:19] <koen> ah, the remake
[0:19] <koen> need to check that out on my internet backup service
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[1:25] <Dipanjan> can I get status of my order #ZPZGS, I am not getting any response from support@
[1:27] <leinir> did you try contact@?
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[1:42] <DJWillis> Macer: i'll have to checkout the V remake
[2:02] <Corsac> Dipanjan: it's like midnight in california, don't expect an answer if you just mailed them
[2:15] <Dipanjan> Yes, I know. We have mailing since friday but not getting any reply
[2:18] <Corsac> on support@ ?
[2:18] <Corsac> (basically, try support@ and contact@, then wait, they'll reply eventually, usually not too long)
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[3:37] <koen> DJWillis: have you considered using a squashfs+aufs for OP (I recall hearing about it, but forgot the details)
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[3:50] <DJWillis> koen: aufs and UBI but yep, we have had several union setups working for a while but needing cleaning up.
[3:51] <koen> OE outputs an AI compatible squasfs, hence my question
[3:52] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh :), our plan was to still use the NAND for the RootFS hense UBI and union. I'll have to try that SquashFS tweaked support however as that should be VERY easy to setup.
[3:54] <koen> it's basically a small kernelpatch
[3:54] <koen> DJWillis: have you tried the AIOS on a pandora yet?
[3:55] <DJWillis> koen: not from the AI tree, nope, just not had time and been sorting stuff in our own overlay (and the day job)
[3:59] <koen> I meant the binary one :)
[4:12] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh, that would be a no but no reason I can't, I assume it's pretty ok on the Beagle?
[4:13] <koen> haven't tried it on a beagle
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[4:48] <ryuo> does ARM have a hardware MMU?
[4:49] <ryuo> i'm used to my computer being able to protect other processes in case of "SEGV"
[4:49] <ryuo> segmentation fault
[4:49] <koen> depends on which arm you look at
[4:50] <ryuo> Oh. hm
[4:50] <koen> the omap3 has 5 or 6 arm cores, if not more
[4:50] <ryuo> what about the ARM system that the TB runs?
[4:51] <ryuo> i'd think it would have one
[4:53] <koen> the cortexa8 has an mmu, yes
[4:54] <ryuo> ah.
[4:54] <ryuo> i've noticed ARM has a tendency to try to maximize performance gain while not increasing heat output, power consumption, or size.
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[5:06] <koen> arm only designs CPUs and licenses them, other people make silicon out of it
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[5:49] <ryuo> haven't tried.
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[5:51] * Macer turns this tb off and opens up his aspire one
[5:51] <ryuo> could try debian on a faster system with its cross-compilers
[5:52] <ryuo> it would run faster on native hardware
[5:54] <ryuo> Macer, didn't you read the terms when you bought it?
[5:54] <ryuo> I remembered it saying something about not reselling it?
[5:54] <ryuo> -shrug-
[5:54] <ryuo> i know.
[5:54] <DJWillis> ryuo: really, not sure that would ever fly.
[5:55] <DJWillis> Macer: I seem to recall you offered to pastebin up those EHCI errors you got doing a native compile, did you ever do that, it may have bene something really simple.
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[5:57] <koen> there, gnome desktop on touchbook, with the cpufreq applet working nicely :)
[5:57] <dpb> Macer: and if it's worthless as you say, why would you try to ebay it? you won't get any money o_O
[5:57] <DJWillis> Macer: arse, still got the links? I just can't see it being that hard. Building an OMAP3 kernel with the OE patchset is just not usually hard at all.
[5:57] <koen> people on ebay pay for mouldy bread
[5:58] <dpb> I'm glad I've never used ebay.
[5:58] <DJWillis> koen: the extra ram helps with that I think :). Is that using the new Tracker I hacked up?
[5:59] <koen> DJWillis: without tracker currently
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[6:02] <DJWillis> Macer: I'll be back in a bit, but I really can't see native compiles of the kernel should be an issue, done it loads of times on my Beagle, Pandora and OMAP3EVM so anything horrid should have come to light.
[6:03] <DJWillis> Macer: sell it to me REALLY cheap ;-)
[6:04] <koen> DJWillis: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/989287641d96e77088d0ef0952a2ba94.png
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[6:11] <koen> more permanent location for the screenie: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4077980580/
[6:13] * Zygo thought the "no reselling" terms were just designed to prevent dealers from buying them all
[6:15] <Zygo> i.e. to provide an excuse to decline an order or shut down anyone who wants to run a competing sales web site
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[6:51] <DJWillis> koen: that is really nice :)
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[7:06] <DJWillis> koen: "switch to fbdev driver for touchbook till the vrfb bug gets solve" << what bug is that?
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[7:12] <Corsac> koen: you know one can change xfwm theme? :)
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[7:24] <shiznebit_TB> would tere be anyway to get grooveshark to work with the TB
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[7:34] <koen> Corsac: theme switching isn't exposed by the AI gui
[7:35] <koen> DJWillis: if you enable vrfb with the touchbook pached kernel omapfb looks weird
[7:38] <DJWillis> koen: ahh, the compressed screen thing I have seen screenshots of?
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[7:47] <koen> DJWillis: that one
[7:47] <koen> Corsac: kinetic scrolling in midori works without bugs for me
[7:58] <ryuo> think greg should partner with a retailer when his product is out of "beta"?
[8:00] <ryuo> a vendor like zareason would probably work well.
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[8:05] <Corsac> koen: that's great news
[8:05] <Corsac> koen: on std aios or on the gnome image?
[8:05] <koen> I don't run AIOS because it's still on glibc 2.6
[8:06] <ryuo> 2.6?
[8:06] <ryuo> jeez thats really old
[8:07] <ryuo> i made a joke about debian once... a debian to my old bot would make it say
[8:07] <ryuo> "Eww theres mold growing on this software"
[8:07] <gregoiregentil1> koen: Are you 100% sure?
[8:07] <gregoiregentil1> you mean that you can scroll with your finger and there is no problem?
[8:08] <gregoiregentil1> Did you see my screenshot?
[8:08] <ryuo> gregoiregentil1, i'm posting some insight i've had on how maybe the TB could be improved on the forums. or would you prefer another channel?
[8:08] <gregoiregentil1> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/tmp/midori.jpg
[8:09] <gregoiregentil1> ryuo: perhaps send to me by email for a quick one-pass and then you can post wherever you want
[8:11] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil1: I don't see that problem on the Pandora but Midori 0.2.0 does crash for me as I mentioned.
[8:11] <ryuo> whats your personal mail?
[8:11] <gregoiregentil1> gregoire@alwaysinnovating.com
[8:11] <gregoiregentil1> OK. guys, please don't tell me that it's glibc-2.6 ;-)
[8:12] <ryuo> gregoiregentil1, i pmed your forum account
[8:12] <ryuo> also could you use someone to delete spam?
[8:12] <gregoiregentil1> DJWillis: do you have a package list of pandora?
[8:12] <gregoiregentil1> ryuo: yes
[8:12] <ryuo> i keep running into it sometimes
[8:12] <gregoiregentil1> using my email is better as I'm late on the forum side
[8:12] <ryuo> and i'd like to help if you feel you can trust me
[8:13] <ryuo> i found a repeat spam account... i'll email you a copy. one moment
[8:13] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil1: I can run one off, at the moment I am building (and playing with) Gnome, Xfce and E17 ontop of a core image that setups the basics as we want.
[8:14] <ryuo> gregoiregentil1, there i sent it... but i repeated the subject twice by accident
[8:14] <ryuo> my main email is at ryuo@frugalware.org
[8:15] <ryuo> but i use hotmail on the side
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[8:15] <ryuo> right now my distros server is down for maintenance
[8:22] <gregoiregentil1> DJWillis: we have this very convenient list http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/List_packages_2009-09.c and it's useful to compare packages version on the system
[8:22] <gregoiregentil1> DJWillis: do you have something similar on pandora so that we analyze the different packages and try to find the culprit for this midori problem (and same for your problem)?
[8:23] <DJWillis> gregoiregentil1: i'll try and get something up later but I am stuck with some 'real job' things so it may take a while, would be good to track down things.
[8:24] <gregoiregentil1> yes. OK. I understand
[8:24] <koen> gregoiregentil1: yes, I'm sure: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/midori.m4v
[8:25] <DJWillis> koen: gregoiregentil1: nothing as simple as the GTK+ version is it? koen, I assume your using .dev's version like I do? gregoiregentil1 are you using an older version?
[8:25] <koen> DJWillis: I installed it from the angstrom feeds
[8:26] * DJWillis has just seen odd fuckage with GTK widgets on older versions of GTK+ in the past, esp. when the feature is 'newish'.
[8:28] <koen> video should be up as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpX-FHq-gFM when youtube finishes crunching it
[8:31] <leinir> koen: smooth :)
[8:32] <ryuo> hm
[8:32] <ryuo> does the glitch happen with the same software versions on x86?
[8:32] <ryuo> if so... then it would seem to be ARM specific
[8:32] <ryuo> err
[8:32] <ryuo> if not
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[8:37] <koen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpX-FHq-gFM is live now
[8:37] <gregoiregentil1> koen: you are my man (again...)
[8:38] <gregoiregentil1> that's what I want!
[8:38] <gregoiregentil1> I really think that Midori is the perfect match for the Touch Book, it starts in 5 seconds, and it can be cool like an iPhone
[8:38] <gregoiregentil1> so we will have to investigate again the difference of packages list
[8:38] <ryuo> the main reason i use firefox is because of its high degree of compatibility...
[8:38] <leinir> i would love to see arora on there
[8:39] <ryuo> does midori render pages and standards as well?
[8:39] * Meizirkki votes for arora too
[8:39] <leinir> Mmm, arora :)
[8:39] <Meizirkki> midori does acid3 test 100/100
[8:39] <ryuo> what about javascript, java, etc?
[8:39] <Meizirkki> no idea
[8:39] <ryuo> hm
[8:40] <DJWillis> koen: very nice, the TB's bigger screen really makes that shine (it's ok on the Pandora but the smaller screen and form factor makes it less use).
[8:40] <ryuo> the only real plugin i use in firefox is adblock
[8:40] <Meizirkki> Midori is not very good IMO... cookies are b0rked and many forums won't work. (AI forums for example)
[8:40] <gregoiregentil1> adblock exists on midori and is by default integrated
[8:41] <gregoiregentil1> Meizirkki: with midori 0.2.0?
[8:41] <leinir> put it this way - arora is currently the fastest browser on QtMoko :)
[8:41] <Meizirkki> whatever, i use arora anyway :)
[8:41] <ryuo> what pdf viewer does AIOS ship with by default?
[8:41] <ryuo> i've found epdfview works pretty good for me on x86...
[8:42] <leinir> Meizirkki: Wooh! :)
[8:42] <leinir> Meizirkki: By the way, did you get around to building an sdcard image? ;)
[8:42] <Meizirkki> gregoiregentil1, it's not cool having gnash/swfdec under name "AI flash plugin" and advertitsing "We make it possible" at AI website..
[8:43] <Meizirkki> i think
[8:43] <ryuo> anyone know how AIOS has "crazy tanks" packaged? it seems to be an iphone app...
[8:43] <gregoiregentil1> Koen: so, can you tell which version of gtk+, webkit, midori, pixman you have?
[8:43] <Meizirkki> ryuo, it's in /usr/local/
[8:43] <gregoiregentil1> Meizirkki: not sure to understand your point
[8:43] <ryuo> Meizirkki, so is there a source release?
[8:43] <koen> gregoiregentil1: whatever is in the current angstrom feeds
[8:43] <Meizirkki> ryuo, no idea
[8:44] <gregoiregentil1> ryuo: no
[8:44] <ryuo> Oh.
[8:44] <ryuo> thought so
[8:44] <ryuo> guess the author sent you a binary blob.
[8:44] <gregoiregentil1> meizirkki: we don't integrate gnash in AI flash plugin
[8:45] <gregoiregentil1> AI flash plugin is just a firefox/greasemonkey plugin to avoid Adobe Flash
[8:45] <Meizirkki> oh
[8:45] <leinir> it might be an idea to make that clear...
[8:45] <leinir> because there's a lot of bad experiences that's making people jump to that sort of conclusions :)
[8:45] <gregoiregentil1> koen: what's the best web interface to see the current angstrom feeds?
[8:46] <leinir> So making it clear that that isn't the case... :)
[8:46] <gregoiregentil1> leinir: for AI flash plugin?
[8:46] <leinir> For example
[8:46] <ryuo> gregoiregentil1, i emailed you my feedback from my experience so far with the TB.
[8:46] <koen> gregoiregentil1: angstrom-distribution.org/repo
[8:46] <koen> gregoiregentil1: root@omap3-touchbook:~# opkg list_installed | grep -e pixman -e gtk+\ -e midori -e webkit
[8:46] <koen> gtk+ - 2.18.3-r6.0.4 -
[8:46] <koen> libpixman-1-0 - 0.17.1-r3+gitr67bf739187cd43b5fff754b25693f76bb788d1fa.4 -
[8:47] <koen> that's what's on my touchbook now
[8:47] <gregoiregentil1> I will make it more clear. I'm very comfortable for this plugin, especially as I wrote the first version back in 2005. I wouldn't say that I was the first one, but probably not very far...
[8:47] <koen> libwebkit-1.0-2 - 1.1.16+svnr50081-r0.4 -
[8:47] <koen> midori - 0.2.0-r0.4 -
[8:47] <gregoiregentil1> OK. I will play with my packages then
[8:47] <ryuo> surprised 'dillo' isn't even mentioned
[8:47] <ryuo> but its not very good for rendering to my knowledge
[8:47] <leinir> gregoiregentil1: Of course :) It's just one of those things that's worth being clear about, you know? Avoid this whole problem of people seeing your work and going "Ohnoes, they am stealing us!" ;)
[8:48] <leinir> People have some pretty nasty knee-jerks because of their previous experiences with companies using open source software to make products :)
[8:48] <leinir> (see, for example, Acer and the eeePC, and the nightmare that one started out as - renaming Amarok for example)
[8:48] <koen> ryuo: dillo rocks, if it were in 1995
[8:48] <ryuo> actually this is my first computer to buy that actually shipped linux instead of windows :P
[8:49] <leinir> ryuo: i couldn't buy this laptop without windows, which is somewhat annoying
[8:49] <ryuo> leinir, some people call it the 'windows tax'
[8:49] <ryuo> you pay for it even if you dont want it
[8:49] <Meizirkki> i have enough windows in my house
[8:50] <leinir> ryuo: *nods* there's a guy here in Denmark who's currently in court against Lenovo on that one :) Looking forward to seeing how that works out :)
[8:50] <ryuo> most people dont bother
[8:50] <leinir> *nods*
[8:50] <ryuo> with such a paltry sum
[8:50] <leinir> Yeah, you have to want it on principle
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[8:53] <ryuo> i think greg needs some volunteers to police the forums... spammers ick
[8:54] <ryuo> hm
[8:54] <torpor> greetz
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[8:55] <ryuo> ...
[8:55] <ryuo> okay...
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[8:56] <ryuo> torpor, wrong button? :P
[8:56] <torpor> yup
[8:56] <torpor> :)
[8:57] <torpor> anyone done any work on making the touchbook a development environment for touchbook?
[8:57] <torpor> i.e. put everything onboard that is needed to build apps for it?
[8:58] <ryuo> torpor, get debian ARMEL booting and you got yourself all the tools you could dream of.
[8:58] <ryuo> cross compilers, the works.
[8:58] <torpor> yeah i don't really want to target debian arMel users.
[8:58] <koen> torpor: it comes with gcc installed by default
[8:58] <torpor> i want to build apps for other touchbook users
[8:58] <ryuo> Oh.
[8:58] <torpor> koen: yeah, gcc is onboard .. but binutils etc?
[8:58] <ryuo> Well its a good environment if your designing generic userspace.
[8:59] <koen> torpor: you'd have to ask gregoire
[8:59] <torpor> ok
[8:59] <ryuo> in the software i got, there was no c++ compiler present.
[8:59] <koen> torpor: I'd install task-sdk-native, but I would really use OE to compile stuff, much faster :)
[8:59] <torpor> my device is 2009.9.c, this seem right? sorry i'm not hep to the faq yet.
[8:59] <ryuo> but i dont know if its available just not installed by default
[8:59] <torpor> koen: i wanna build onboard, don't want no cross-compiler!
[9:00] <ryuo> torpor, so what kind of integration are you wanting with the TB?
[9:00] <torpor> i'd like to be building apps that use the touchbook features: touchscreen, accelerometer, GL ES, DSP (if possible)
[9:00] <ryuo> if its just to design an application that is generic and not tied to TB specific hardware or software, debian would probably work better
[9:00] <ryuo> Okay then.
[9:01] <torpor> i know i can use my main linux box for mainstream development and then do a port, its just that i have a policy, self-enforced, that states that i should have my systems be as self-complete as possible.
[9:01] <torpor> ermm .. wtf, the touchbook just turned off.
[9:01] <ryuo> torpor, screen blanking.
[9:01] <ryuo> a bug greg is working on.
[9:02] <torpor> i was in the middle of using it
[9:02] <ryuo> try fn+f7
[9:02] <ryuo> its a known issue
[9:02] <torpor> ah that fixes it!
[9:02] <torpor> :)
[9:02] <torpor> phew
[9:02] <torpor> anyway to disable that for now? plug it in or something?
[9:02] <ryuo> it happens unpredictably.
[9:02] <ryuo> its a bug.
[9:03] <torpor> ok
[9:03] <ryuo> just have to live with it until a fix is found
[9:03] <torpor> i dig it
[9:04] <torpor> is it generally a bad idea to do 'ipkg upgrade' to a factory touchbook at this point?
[9:04] <ryuo> no clue
[9:04] <torpor> i seem to recall from my collie days that this *always* managed to screw things up for me.
[9:05] <torpor> shit it blanked again! wtf?!
[9:05] <torpor> is this going to happen every few minutes
[9:06] <torpor> fn+f7 doesnt work this time
[9:07] <alexandre> ryuo: yes, we have to do some cleaning. Thanks for reporting in the forums the spam posts
[9:07] <ryuo> holy ...
[9:08] <ryuo> our old server HW was finally dying and we got a massive upgrade.
[9:08] <ryuo> intel quadcore now
[9:08] <ryuo> same ram
[9:08] <leinir> Hmm... would it be possible to use ext4 by the way?
[9:08] <ryuo> !!!
[9:08] <ryuo> you realize SD cards are like SSD?
[9:08] <leinir> in stead of ext3
[9:09] <ryuo> i woulda thought ext2 would be better.
[9:09] <ryuo> make it last longer
[9:09] <ryuo> no journal means less writes
[9:10] <leinir> well, ext4 is better for that than ext3 anyway, so it's a tossup between ext2 and ext4, ext3 was a half way sort of thing...
[9:10] <ryuo> ext3 was just ext2 with a journal
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[9:10] <ryuo> ext4 is still experimental, ext2/3 are "old reliable"
[9:11] <honk> ext4 is stable, too ;)
[9:11] * ryuo shrugs.
[9:11] <honk> has been for some kernel versions now
[9:11] <ryuo> just saying at your own risk
[9:11] <ryuo> i only trust ext3 with my data
[9:11] <leinir> sort of - it can still fall back :)
[9:12] <drantin> google is planning to move to ext4 sometime soon
[9:12] <honk> ext4 to ext3? nah it cant
[9:12] <drantin> they're on ext2 for most things atm
[9:12] <drantin> honk: it can if you don't use extents
[9:12] <honk> which basically means you're mounting ext3 as ext4 in the first place
[9:13] <honk> and ext3 can (obviously) be mounted as ext3 ;p
[9:13] <drantin> extents are not the only feature of ext4 :P
[9:13] <ryuo> i always turn off "superuser blocks" in the ext family
[9:16] <ryuo> time for me to invest in a wireless router soon
[9:16] <ryuo> i've stuck with wired for a long time
[9:17] <ryuo> finally have a reason to get one
[9:18] <koen> ext4 is 'stable' in a sense that the on-disk format won't change
[9:19] <Meizirkki> i have used ext4 half a year and so far i have had no problems :)
[9:19] <Meizirkki> i'd like it on my TB too
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[9:21] <koen> now hope the ext4 dude doesn't get arrested
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[9:27] <honk> ext4 is stable in a sense that it's no longer marked experimental in the kernel
[9:27] <honk> that's good enough for me ;)
[9:28] <ryuo> at least its not a KILLER filesystem... (this old joke :p)
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[9:32] <ryuo> Oh no! It got Mei!
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[9:32] <ryuo> haha... <_<
[9:33] <ryuo> we thought the killer filesystem gotcha.
[9:39] <Meizirkki> Wouldn't blueman be a great bluetooth manager for the Touch Book ?
[9:45] <koen> if it's in python, no
[9:52] <Meizirkki> =.=
[9:52] <Meizirkki> what's wrong with AI's and Nokia's fbdev drivers
[9:52] <Meizirkki> they aren't working in Ubuntu :P
[9:53] <Meizirkki> The whole device goes frozen
[9:54] <ryuo> Meizirkki, its too cool? :P
[9:55] <Meizirkki> hehe :)
[9:56] <Meizirkki> but the original ubuntu fbdev sucks ***
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[9:57] <Meizirkki> does anyone know if there's going to be a better kernel available soon btw?
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[10:54] <Meiz_TB> I just tested what happens if you put the magnets inside and the result was good
[10:54] <Meiz_TB> it held perfectly on my fridge
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[10:56] <leinir> Nicely :)
[10:56] <leinir> Do they stay on the lid when you remove it? :)
[10:58] <leinir> as in, is there anything else inside the device that might pull at them? :)
[11:00] <Meiz_TB> if i put them in one pulls against th battery and i have to stretch the back cover to get it closed
[11:01] <Meiz_TB> solution: get a piece of blu tack and put all three ini the middle of the case where there's empty space
[11:02] <Meiz_TB> at least the magnets don't get stuck on the fridge :D
[11:02] <leinir> *nods!* :)
[11:02] <Meiz_TB> wheh they are inside the case
[11:02] <ryuo> Meiz_TB, the default magnets are so strong
[11:03] <ryuo> they could render ironman immobilized lol
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[11:09] <leinir> real earth magnets are mildly insane, yeah :)
[11:09] <Meiz_TB> kvkbd ftw! http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/UbuntuOnTheTouchBook#5400698999001740962
[11:11] <Meizirkki> much better than the original onje
[11:11] <Meizirkki> -j
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[11:27] <azaghal> Meizirkki: That'd be one of the Netbook versions for ARM?
[11:29] <Meizirkki> azaghal, Thats Ubuntu with LXDE
[11:29] <Meizirkki> the virtual keyboard is from KDE though
[11:29] <azaghal> I didn't actually look at the pic - I don't feel like turning on JavaScript for it :)
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[11:56] <[swift]_> yeah, post that pic somewhere else
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[12:00] <leinir> such as scap.linuxtogo.org permaybehaps? :)
[12:01] <leinir> or... http://lh6.ggpht.com/_jfB4iypFaQU/SvMjIB5OdqI/AAAAAAAAAvU/UY9KJHW6zUw/d/Screenshot-1.png
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[12:10] <Corsac> gregoiregentil1: kinetic scrolling works fine on my touchbook too
[12:10] <Corsac> gregoiregentil1: this is with Xfce 4.6, compositing enabled, midori 0.2.0
[12:11] <leinir> evdev or tslib? :)
[12:11] <Corsac> though the scroll still selects text
[12:11] <Corsac> leinir: tslib
[12:12] <leinir> right... that avoids the jittery thing, seems to cause no end of trouble :)
[12:13] <Corsac> that's not really the point anyway
[12:15] <leinir> It fails to update when you scroll kinetically, right?
[12:15] <leinir> To me, when i tried it out quickly, it looked a lot like the jitter simply didn't allow it to update the screen because the position kept changing
[12:15] <gregoiregentil1> it's working better with compositing indeed though ti's not perfect
[12:15] <gregoiregentil1> have you upgraded any other package?
[12:15] <Corsac> well, I use 4.6 so...
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[12:17] <Corsac> gregoiregentil1: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/touchbook/pkgs.txt
[12:26] <tommd> Anyone here know where to acquire the ES3.1.tbz2 and other restricted files? I was once under the impression registering at TI was enough but it seems you must get human approval. Any info on this?
[12:26] <koen> who was asking about arora?
[12:26] <gregoiregentil1> you need an approved account from TI
[12:26] <tommd> I'd really like to build the ai-image
[12:26] <koen> arora running in angstrom: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/25c0d644dfabb484382183269e8af286.png
[12:26] <gregoiregentil1> once you have it, it should be fine
[12:26] <tommd> Drat, ok. Thanks gregoire.
[12:26] <gregoiregentil1> we are also improving the wiki page
[12:26] <tommd> Well, its an account but not approved by anything besides a computer.
[12:27] <tommd> so I guess I need to poke around and figure out what is missing.
[12:27] <gregoiregentil1> (doing again a build on a fresh ubuntu 9,10 machine) so that we can list the missing files and tells where to find them
[12:27] <leinir> koen: neatness :)
[12:27] <koen> the arora people need to get kicked in the nuts for being able to screw up qmake, though
[12:28] <Corsac> mpf, no asciidoc recipe yet
[12:30] <torpor> what are some good repo's that i can safely add for the 2009.9c?
[12:30] <torpor> anyone know?
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[12:32] <koen> torpor: none safely
[12:37] <torpor> meh!
[12:37] <koen> gregoiregentil1: note the cpufreq applet on the top bar: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/4077980580/sizes/o/
[12:37] <torpor> surely someone is keeping a list of nice .ipk URL's at least?
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[12:39] <Corsac> why so?
[12:40] <torpor> for different apps folks have ported and so on?
[12:40] <torpor> surely there have been some developers working on sub-surface touchbook releases?
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[12:48] <koen> some people have difficulty with understanding the benefits of having your apps packaged up by distributions
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[12:54] <koen> gregoiregentil1: ping
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[13:48] <gregoiregentil1> koen: pong
[13:50] <koen> gregoiregentil1: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=b8d29529bec4c3a1d3fed2f6e29880f083d4fb6f
[13:50] <koen> gregoiregentil1: do you or time have patches ready to add jack detection or do I need to port them from the old beagle based patchset?
[13:51] * koen wants sound out of his speakers
[13:51] <gregoiregentil1> they are still on beagleboard file because I use the beagleboard sound
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[13:52] <koen> gregoiregentil1: so sound is broken in AI git
[13:52] <gregoiregentil1> Thanks for the patch. I noticed that sound was not there
[13:52] <gregoiregentil1> since I upgraded the kernel with omap3-touchbook
[13:52] <gregoiregentil1> your patch seems to make sense. does it work with your patch?
[13:52] <gregoiregentil1> I will add this on my side
[13:53] <koen> I get something in alsamixer, but I suspect it's playing on the earphones instead of speakers
[13:53] * koen has no 3.5mm jack nearby to check
[13:53] <gregoiregentil1> it was working well (including headphone) before I added omap3-touchbook
[13:53] <gregoiregentil1> so i guess that if I need this patch and want to send everything upstream
[13:54] <gregoiregentil1> I will have to duplicate all the sound/soc/omap file
[13:54] <koen> I'll have a look at adding the jack stuff tomorrow when I find some time
[13:54] <gregoiregentil1> and create omap3touchbook.c
[13:54] <gregoiregentil1> OK
[13:54] <koen> I need sound for a demo :)
[13:54] <gregoiregentil1> good. the headphone detection patch was working for sure
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[13:59] <koen> gregoiregentil1: I read the jack patch wrong, it should already be in there
[13:59] <koen> gregoiregentil1: so now I need to find out why my speakers aren't working
[14:00] * koen suspects it's a matter of poking a sysfs file or something
[14:00] <koen> or a toggle in alsamixer
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[19:59] <ryuo> gregoiregentil, evening.
[20:02] <gregoiregentil> hello
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[21:33] <ai> exir
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[22:46] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: pong
[22:47] <gregoiregentil> yup
[22:47] <gregoiregentil> trying to fix this midori stuff. I wanted to get your recipes but I managed to fix probably the same bugs that you fixed
[22:48] * dpb just got a Google Wave account \o/
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: so just to understand, do you have the same thing as Koen
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> perfect scrolling
[22:48] <gregoiregentil> with or without composite?
[22:50] <gregoiregentil> I have the same version for midori and webkit now. and with composite, it's definitely better (though I can still see the bug just a little bit)
[22:50] <dpb> how do people copy/paste stuff from browsers on the TBOS? it starts to scroll when trying to do that..
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[23:06] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: let me try without
[23:06] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: btw I just opkg install midori from the OE repositories
[23:07] <Corsac> btw kinetic scrolling works but is not really usable because long press selects the text
[23:07] <Corsac> no, works fine without compositing
[23:07] <Corsac> maybe a bit flacky depending on the web page though
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