#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-11-02

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[0:07] <DJWillis> Corsac: always hard to get the balance right I guess.
[0:35] <koen> good morning all
[0:57] <DJWillis> Hola koen
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[1:21] <koen> DJWillis: could you do something like http://pastebin.ca/1652749 ?
[1:22] <koen> DJWillis: that will keep all your OP commits on top so you can keep track of them
[1:24] <DJWillis> koen: I can try, right now they are getting merged into the main stream of things. Not everything in there is an instant 'for mainline' as something I am messing with (like Linux-PAM) are not going to play nice with uLibC right now.
[1:34] <koen> DJWillis: either way it will keep your commits on top so you don't forget about them :)
[1:35] <DJWillis> koen: well pull --rebase does not work, I assume you mean git rebase?
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[1:39] <koen> git pull --rebase
[1:40] <DJWillis> koen: yep, but following your suggestions your off a branch by the time you get there so it does nothing ;) (well, my local tree if horse now ;-))
[1:41] <koen> it is?
[1:41] * koen does note there is a missing '-' in git pull -rebase in the paste
[1:44] <DJWillis> koen: picked that up, ;-), after the first git checkout after the stash I end up with no active branch "09:40|djwillis|/oe/omap3evm-oe/metadata/openembedded.git((no branch))$" ;-) - Not a biggie, i'll sort it sometime.
[1:45] <koen> DJWillis: but 'git checkout org.openembedded.dev ; git pull' does work?
[1:49] <DJWillis> koen: yep, this is when I have a 'GIT should burn' moment ;-)
[1:49] <swez> hi
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[1:50] <koen> DJWillis: and 'git checkout op.openembedded.dev ; git pull --rebase' ?
[1:53] <DJWillis> just switched back to my starting point and trying again, seems a little better this time, I suspect PEBKaC ;)
[1:56] <DJWillis> koen: got to the love all the really scary warning and patches being blown away as they are now upstream ;)
[2:00] <DJWillis> koen: in theory ;) http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=op.openembedded.dev should be rebased with mystuff on top that is not mainline.
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[2:04] <koen> DJWillis: you're only missing a 'git push <pandora remote name> org.openembedded.dev' to have an OE branch marker :)
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[2:05] <koen> DJWillis: http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=op.openembedded.dev looks much more understandable now :)
[2:06] <DJWillis> koen: yep, that's actually nice :) and have the org.oe.dev clone there for referance.
[2:10] <DJWillis> koen: http://pastebin.ca/1652774 is what I ended up with (so just what you suggested).
[2:15] <koen> DJWillis: I merge in some of your commits: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/
[2:16] <koen> DJWillis: git pull --rebase should do the right thing the next time you run the script,
[2:16] <koen> but then again, it's still git
[2:16] <koen> git warns when your code doesn't follow kernel C coding style
[2:17] <DJWillis> koen: use some judgement pushing everything upstream, there are a handfull of things (like psplash tweaks etc., I am using the latest SVN for example) that may not want to go up yet. Still, they should not break anything ;).
[2:19] <jvs> yeah
[2:20] <koen> DJWillis: I do :)
[2:20] <jvs> git is like a little linux watching over us
[2:20] <jvs> *linus
[2:21] <fooq> git is nearly gir
[2:22] <fooq> everyone likes gir
[2:27] <Corsac> I preferl girls
[2:27] <fooq> :)
[2:29] <DJWillis> I prefer Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, then girls, then GIR, then food, sleep and alcohol abuse.
[2:32] <jvs> DJWillis, you're my hero
[2:32] <fooq> htc?
[2:33] <DJWillis> jvs: more the sign of a misspent youth ;-)
[2:33] <jvs> god hates us all
[2:34] <jvs> just the title of a book by frank moody
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[2:52] <samp> Hi, I am new arround here and I have seem some chats logs that are very very interesing.
[2:52] <samp> I know this must be a very recurrent subject but ... I just ordered a N900 and they are delayed! -> Frustation :) Is there a delivery date for the tb ?
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[6:26] <voseter> lf I get the touchbook shipped to the UK will I have to pay import tax?
[6:29] <koen> you should, since you're importing it
[6:30] <koen> and you probably mean 'vat' instead or 'import tax'
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[6:33] <DJWillis> koen/voseter: VAT, Duty and fee to the shipping company ;-)
[6:33] <voseter> nope ment import tax, usally 40% for goods over ??18, thats why I am a bit unsure about geting one, plus 512MB RAM is a bit small for a gekco based browser.
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[6:37] <koen> 4GB ram is a bit small for a gecko based browser
[6:38] <voseter> lol
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[6:42] <DJWillis> voseter: if Mount Unplesent customs get your package then it's VAT if over ??18 + Customs Duty if it is over ??120 (so VAT+Duty) then the fee that the shipping company changes (Royal Fail is ??8 I think).
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[6:43] <voseter> I could use a webkit one but I love my add-ons for firefox, i will get someone to smuggle a touchbook from the US it's only a small thing, should fit next the baggs of white powder :)
[6:44] <DJWillis> voseter: I seem to recall that the commodity rate for a personal electronics device is about 10-15% but I can't recall and dont have the customs tables handy to look up.
[6:45] <voseter> I need a final total in stone,I have been stung before.
[6:46] <DJWillis> voseter: phone customs and they will tell you the rates and work it out, they are quite helpful and glad to tell you how much the rape costs.
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[6:49] <voseter> there's a lot of info but this is the UK, so it makes not sence without a law degree.
[6:51] <voseter> yep best to call customs then.
[6:53] <DJWillis> voseter: its actually simple, VAT if it is over ??18, Customs Duty if it is over ??120 and the shipping company is free to add a handling fee. VAT is for the full value as is duty (so it's not VAT on everything > ??18, Duty everything > ??120 its for the whole lot if you get hit).
[7:05] <voseter> I am working it out now on the .gov site but I don't know what group the touchbook should go in so I as saying it is a laptop, but I might get a way with a lower group sine I could argure that it is not a General Perpose device?
[7:06] <DJWillis> voseter: pretty sure customs will see it as a laptop, same as they count netbooks as laptops
[7:07] <voseter> but since is uses a ARM processe its more of an embedded systems
[7:08] <DJWillis> voseter: nice plan, have you ever taken up a debate with customs ;-)
[7:13] <voseter> no but if it save me money i will screem until I am blue in the face, plus I think I can get away with is some one buy form the US and sends it to me as a gift :-}
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[7:44] <Corsac> hey gregoiregentil
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[7:48] <Robin_Watts> Hi all. I've been hanging on for ages before buying a netbook, wanting an ARM Cortex based one, and the touchbook looks very nice.
[7:49] <Robin_Watts> I've got to go on a business trip in early december and i'm going to need a laptop/netbook for that.
[7:50] <Robin_Watts> If I was to order a "full" one now, how long would delivery take ?
[7:50] <Robin_Watts> And where do you ship from? I fear that if I order one in the UK, by the time it's delivered I'll get hit for absurd customs charges etc.
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[7:51] <dpb> If you want something that surely works on your trip, I'd suggest you get something else. The OS on the Touchbook is still very beta.
[7:52] <dpb> And it'll ship from the USA, so yeah, you'll probably need to pay absurd customs charges.
[7:57] <gregoiregentil> Note that you can install any OS on the Touch Book. We provide the AI OS by default which is beta indeed (but is also improving quickly). With the same kernel, people have installed Mer and Ubuntu. Android rootfs is also coming.
[7:58] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: I run xfce 4.6 btw
[7:58] <Corsac> seems to work fine, except that xfdesktop doesn't display any wallpaper
[7:58] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: Cool!
[7:58] <gregoiregentil> Does it start faster?
[7:58] <Corsac> well, in fact it doesn't store any configuration either
[7:59] <Corsac> didn't yet compare, but I don't find it slower, at least
[7:59] <gregoiregentil> I think that xfce4-session has the parallel start-up. hasn't it?
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[7:59] <Corsac> yes
[8:00] <dpb> I would like to get rid of the screen blanking problems..
[8:01] <Corsac> dpb: did you contact support@ ?
[8:04] <gregoiregentil> dpb: if you really want to help, going back to previous versions would be helpful. I do remember that I was not experiencing this problem back in August. You may try 2009-08.a. If this version is working, it will exclude a hardware problem and we will have to find the package culprit
[8:04] <gregoiregentil> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/List_packages_2009-08.a vs. http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/List_packages_2009-09.c
[8:08] <dpb> ah, the 09.c list is there finally :)
[8:08] <Corsac> (I didn't experience any blanking screen problem on mine)
[8:08] <gregoiregentil> dpb: yes, I added (it's very useful to compare)
[8:11] <dpb> yep
[8:12] <DJWillis> Robin_Watts: after more OMAP3 stuff my friend?
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[8:13] <swez> hi
[8:14] <Robin_Watts> DJWillis: At the moment, I just need a laptop/netbook.
[8:14] <Robin_Watts> I'd *like* to buy an ARM based one, cos ARM is clearly "the right way to do it", and I get to hack on it later.
[8:14] <dpb> I'm drooling at Motorola DROID/Milestone for my next phone.
[8:14] <andrewgodwin> gregoiregentil: is the top battery charging controlled entirely by the kernel while the OS is running? I noticed you can set the charge_current, but I'm wondering if the whole draining-top-before-bottom thing is just a software issue
[8:15] <dpb> I'd like to see an ARM based desktop machine. :)
[8:15] <andrewgodwin> and yes, ARM is much better than the squish that is the Atom
[8:15] <andrewgodwin> dpb: Hrm, interesting idea. Wonder what the top ARM chip is like, speed-wise
[8:15] <Robin_Watts> dpb: I have an ARM based desktop machine :)
[8:16] <Robin_Watts> It's sat to my right hand side, and I use it (with a KVM) all day long.
[8:16] <dpb> andrewgodwin: I believe omap4's can go up to 2GHz
[8:16] <andrewgodwin> not bad.
[8:16] <andrewgodwin> Robin_Watts: where'd you get it from?
[8:16] <dpb> or was it some other cpu.. can't remember for sure.
[8:17] <Robin_Watts> Acorn.
[8:17] <andrewgodwin> heh.
[8:17] <Robin_Watts> About 12 or 13 years ago, this one...
[8:17] <andrewgodwin> yes, I think I used to use one way back when
[8:18] <voseter> Ok UK Duty, the TARIC code 84713000 for laptops and it is a big fat 0% so only vat for the touchbook. Robin_Watts: do you have a A900 with RISC OS?
[8:18] <DJWillis> Robin_Watts: still got my A3000 on the desk and was playing Lemmings on it about 2 days ago ;)
[8:18] <dpb> Robin_Watts: well I mean an ARM based desktop that stands up to modern standards :)
[8:18] <Robin_Watts> voseter: No.
[8:19] <swez> gregoiregentil: hi, Didn't you forget about me? I'm sorry to disturb you and not answer in support center still. Thank you
[8:20] <samp> Hi good folks ... about the so much anticipated delivery of Tb ??? Anyone with a foreseenable date on the horizon ??
[8:21] <samp> I ordered mine in the beginning of October.
[8:25] <voseter> Motorola DROID if it has a better keyboard or Nokia N900 for the software, it is basically debian, no hacking for root access :-)
[8:27] <samp> N900 is very vry cool, I also preorder that but ... it is also delayed !!! What is happening with OMAP devices :-) :-) They are just unreachable !
[8:29] <samp> DROID has great reviews also ... being the first Android 2.0 ...
[8:29] <voseter> and the screen if big as f***k
[8:29] <voseter> 8is
[8:29] <andrewgodwin> yeah, I wish the n900 screen was physically bigger
[8:30] <andrewgodwin> I played with a few last weekend and they're TINY
[8:31] <samp> Agreed on both accounts, I saw the chat logs from yesterday about this issues ... I wish N900 was a bit bigger ... but even liek that I am going to get one ... I did not get any N700 or N800 because of not being Phones/3.5G s
[8:31] <samp> Now with calls and Data access ... I can not misse them.
[8:31] <andrewgodwin> I have all the internet tablets, and I will miss the big screen, but I'm still getting a n900
[8:32] <samp> From where I live unfortunately the Droid is still going to take some time to arrive, so I will get the N900 ...
[8:32] <andrewgodwin> mostly because I'm sick of using two pockets to carry two devices
[8:32] <samp> Exactly! One Device! All Functionality! Just like the ours truly TG !
[8:32] <voseter> how was the n900 keyboard, i have big hands, my hand can span reach for left ctrl to p key with one hand, the mobile i can type is the iEvil phone.
[8:33] <voseter> *only mobile
[8:33] <voseter> *type on is the iphone
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[8:35] <samp> Well the iphone is not bad. But I would never buy it. Too closed ... too resctrited to the local carrier ... simply that now with the arrival of both N900 and Droid it will became outdated ...
[8:36] <samp> it's features are already surpassed by the droid. Specially the turn-by-turn Google GPS ...
[8:36] <andrewgodwin> voseter: My hands are also that big, and I found it fine
[8:36] <andrewgodwin> it'll take some getting used to, but as long as you hold it right all you need are thumbs
[8:37] <andrewgodwin> the n810 has a similar keyboard, and I can almost touchtype on that
[8:38] <voseter> we i got my iphone 3g when it came out in the UK and it is hacked so software not the problem, the speed is to slow, plus I HATE Apple bulls**t policy with the app store.
[8:38] <andrewgodwin> well, the n900 and 3GS have almost identical hardware
[8:38] <samp> Yup ... and also that ... Apple touch :-)
[8:39] <andrewgodwin> but the n900 has TV-out, which is tres useful
[8:39] <andrewgodwin> I saw someone give a presentation off of one
[8:39] <koen> andrewgodwin: apart from the 3gs having a samsung soc and the n900 an omap3 soc
[8:39] <andrewgodwin> koen: "almost"
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[8:39] <koen> while both share IP blocks, there's no saying how they are interconnected
[8:39] <andrewgodwin> (in terms of raw power, they're pretty close)
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[8:40] <andrewgodwin> although apple's rendering subsystems still beats the pants off X
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[8:40] <koen> pretty close as in the 3gs completely lacking a dsp?
[8:40] <andrewgodwin> koen: OK, I keed. I will stop trying to compare embedded devices.
[8:40] <voseter> the EU DROID is getting multi touch so big plus over the N900
[8:41] <andrewgodwin> voseter: multitouch is, eh, overrated in my opinion
[8:42] <samp> Speaking of EU Droids .... Is tere a date of arrival ??? I am getting depressed ... :) I will soon go to DIgiKey and get myself a BeagleBoard :) :)
[8:42] <Meizirkki> multitouch has so far been almost useless IMO
[8:43] <andrewgodwin> yes, mostly because I use my phone with ONE HAND
[8:43] <andrewgodwin> most of which is holding it
[8:43] <samp> Multitouch is cool .. if _if_ apps support it ...
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[8:51] <voseter> Its not so much the multitouch I like. Its the capacitive touchscreen of the iphone, but for what I have seen of the N900 you use in lanscape mode for most things. one handed operation is not a problem, if it was keyboard-less it would make a lot more sence to make all the grestures one handed.
[8:57] <andrewgodwin> voseter: yes, the resistive n900 screen really isn't too bad
[8:57] <andrewgodwin> sure, it doesn't do sweeps of the finger perfectly, but it does jabs great
[8:58] <andrewgodwin> and you can use a stylus on it, which I regard as a great advantage
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[9:04] <voseter> The Droid has a capacitive touchscreen, so it looks like its the phone for me. but I really wanted to do some cross compiling on the N900 shame.
[9:05] <dpb> samp_: Motorola Milestone is coming 9th of November to Europe.
[9:06] <voseter> but no UK date yet
[9:07] <dpb> And there's no Google turn-by-turn in the European version.
[9:11] <voseter> what,thats crap. hopefuly an update will fix that? Google only has maps for like the whole world!! that was one of the big selling points for me. it is so close between the Droid and the N900.
[9:12] <dpb> Milestone has MOTONAV navigation
[9:12] <dpb> well, a 60-day trial version
[9:13] <dpb> And yeah, Google probably will support it someday in the future, but currently they only support USA for it.
[9:13] <dpb> They need to make localized versions of the voices etc.
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[9:17] <voseter> for UK users the touchbook comes to a total of ??239.20 with VAT at 15%, but don't hold me to that.
[9:19] <voseter> that's $399 for the touchbook + $40 for shipping, used xe.com to covert from USD to GBP and then add VAT at 15%, no import duty on laptops or computers.
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[9:24] <samp_> In Portugal, where I live, it is only yuck 20% VAt. over the price, but customs also told me that VAT is over the entire price, TouchBook + shiping.
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[9:27] <samp_> So it should be a total of arround 356euros.
[9:27] <samp_> Hey, a N900 costs 600??? !
[9:28] <samp_> The DRoid should be arround that price so ... it is not really expensive ...
[9:30] <azaghal> DRoid?
[9:30] <samp_> I also used xe for the currency convertion but be aware that Credit cards always somehow make a less favourable exchange ... go figure ...
[9:30] <azaghal> samp_: Mine uses Reuters' course :)
[9:30] <samp_> Motorola DROID ....
[9:31] <azaghal> samp_: How Free is it?
[9:31] <samp_> The new Android 2.0 smartphone. It is also a OMAP 3 platform.
[9:31] <samp_> It is Android ...
[9:32] <voseter> If I could get a unlocked phone + Touchbook for under ??800 I am happy.
[9:32] <azaghal> samp_: Actually, that's not much if you think about drivers for GSM etc :)
[9:32] <azaghal> I.e. if you have crapload of underlying proprietary stuff...
[9:33] <samp_> True ... seems like the problems lie under PowerVR drivers and also DSP's ...
[9:33] <voseter> GSM drivers are proprietary full stop.
[9:33] <samp_> They are not open-source.
[9:33] <samp_> Yup.
[9:34] <samp_> One must use what is available, at least for now ...
[9:34] <voseter> or you have to sign a NDA
[9:35] <samp_> Yes. Witch is the same as to say good bye Open source ...
[9:35] <azaghal> :)
[9:35] <samp_> NDA <=> can not disclose nothing :)
[9:36] <azaghal> Heck, even Neo FreeRunner had its share of troubles for drivers.
[9:37] <azaghal> Btw, is TouchBook 100% Free Software?
[9:37] <azaghal> (especially when it comes down to drivers for graphics etc)
[9:38] <samp_> I am not bothered about that, but good question ... if the hardware is Omap3 soc with PowerVR and all those DSP's then at least those components are not OS.
[9:38] <voseter> but as long as it works with a 2.6 kernel I am not to cut up about it, I have a lots of devices with driver for 2.4 and it geting tricky running the newer GNU stuff.
[9:39] <samp_> the guys who make that stuff do provide the drivers though ... I use OpenSuSE for many years and all NVIDIA drivers for example work very well ...
[9:40] <samp_> So no problems there, thought the ideal would be to get that hardware to haev OS drivers.
[9:41] <azaghal> samp_: Related to Nokia tablets, btw, the annoying thing is their cutting of support for older devices with new images :)
[9:42] <voseter> mamo 5 would run dog slow on the old tablets.
[9:43] <voseter> *maemo
[9:44] <voseter> or did you mean tablet OS 2008?
[9:44] <azaghal> Well, generally the way they drop support for older tablets.
[9:44] <azaghal> (since their main income still is the sales of hardware)
[9:45] <andrewgodwin> azaghal: to be fair, the new OSs often need more hardware
[9:45] <andrewgodwin> os2008 ran on the n800, though
[9:45] <andrewgodwin> and there was even a half-port to the 770
[9:45] <azaghal> But it wasn't official port :)
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[9:46] <voseter> but they need a clean brake development wise for the switch form tablet to phone.
[9:47] <dpb> Still it was a nokia provided port.
[9:48] <voseter> plus the switch from GTK to QT is not helping for the backporting
[9:49] <dpb> But Qt is <3
[9:49] <Corsac> bof
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[11:32] <dpb> Just when I wanted Meizirkki I notice he's just left..
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[12:13] <ryuo> yay my TB finally came :P
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[12:18] <tommd1> ryuo: Congrats
[12:18] <ryuo> i'll unbox it shortly. i need to find my camera first for my review
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[12:28] <swez> ryuo: cg
[12:28] <ryuo> thanks
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[12:37] <Martix> hi
[12:38] <swez> hi
[12:39] <Martix> is it planed Touchbook with DVI/HDMI?
[12:40] <ryuo> output or input? O_o
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[12:40] <Martix> output :-)
[12:42] <Martix> TB is great device and with ability to connect with projector is suitable for presentations :-)
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[12:43] <Martix> BeagleBoard have DVI
[12:45] <Corsac> Martix: use usb display link
[12:46] <swez> Martix: touchscreen must be connected ..somewhere :)
[12:49] <Martix> I see :-)
[12:51] <swez> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040607023341.html
[12:51] <swez> maybe work under linux arm
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[13:11] <Martix> thanks
[13:22] <ryuo> what command do i use to find out about the hardware? lspci is not working... guess OMAP has no PCI. :P
[13:24] <shiznebit_TB> you have to be root
[13:24] <shiznebit_TB> lsmod
[13:24] <shiznebit_TB> and lsusb
[13:25] <ryuo> lsmod works without being root?
[13:25] <ryuo> hm
[13:25] <shiznebit_TB> no clue
[13:26] <shiznebit_TB> yeah
[13:36] <ryuo> strange.
[13:36] <ryuo> i can run lsusb on my x86 without root access
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[14:01] <mturquette> gregoiregentil1: is there a public git tree where the work to upstream board support is on-going?
[14:01] <mturquette> gregoiregentil1: i'd like to contribute to whatever already started.
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[15:09] <ryuo> anyone know why my TB keeps entering a sleep state when i'm using it?
[15:10] <ryuo> its plugged in so hm
[15:15] <Eruquen> sleep mode? or is it just the display going black? try fn + f6 or f7
[15:16] <ryuo> so then whats triggering it?
[15:16] <Eruquen> it's a miracle :/
[15:16] <Eruquen> or more of a mystery really
[15:16] <Eruquen> somebody suggested it's X's fault
[15:16] <ryuo> the keys have no symbols lol
[15:17] <ryuo> huh
[15:17] <ryuo> compilation error of my favorite program
[15:17] <ryuo> conflicting types of wchar_t?
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[15:49] <ryuo> aha. so this is why.
[15:49] <ryuo> the program uses 16-bit wide strings
[15:49] <ryuo> but ARM expects 32-bit
[15:49] <ryuo> hm
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[16:09] <ryuo> Macer, i tried disabling "screen saver" and DPMS with xset.
[16:09] <ryuo> still same problem so eh
[16:12] <ryuo> really irritating. my distro website went down AGAIN.
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[16:12] <ryuo> i can't even access our dev repos because of this
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[16:13] <ryuo> yea..
[16:13] <ryuo> don't you know? I'm frugalware developer
[16:14] <ryuo> it was down for 4 days because the hardware was having issues
[16:14] <ryuo> its not the web host
[16:14] <ryuo> its the machine itself
[16:14] <ryuo> it got turned off somehow
[16:14] <ryuo> that replacement just cant happen fast enough
[16:14] <ryuo> no, we run the distro itself on the server
[16:15] <ryuo> it runs the same software we use
[16:15] <ryuo> hm
[16:15] <ryuo> how to install debian?
[16:15] <ryuo> ARM is nothing like x86
[16:15] <ryuo> can't just plop in a CD or USB to install
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[16:16] <ryuo> my fav editor compiles fine on x86 but won't compile at all on the TB.
[16:16] <ryuo> appears to be due to it using 16 bit wide strings
[16:16] <ryuo> yea
[16:17] <ryuo> the problem is the compiler has link errors
[16:17] <ryuo> about incompatible wchar_t types
[16:17] <ryuo> can't even access my dev email
[16:17] <ryuo> I know.
[16:17] <ryuo> I know what the problem is
[16:18] <ryuo> i made a test program and
[16:18] <ryuo> int main(void)
[16:18] <ryuo> printf("%u\n",sizeof(wchar_t));
[16:18] <ryuo> causes linking errors if i compile with
[16:18] <ryuo> -fshort-wchar
[16:18] <hyc> then don't compile with short-whcar
[16:19] <ryuo> hyc, the program won't compile without it.
[16:19] <hyc> clearly the C library doesn't support that mode
[16:19] <ryuo> hmph
[16:19] <ryuo> ugh
[16:19] <ryuo> i'll mention the issue to the upstream maintainer
[16:19] <hyc> whatever program you're working with is a crock if it depends on that size
[16:19] <ryuo> he wrote his program in a custom language
[16:19] <ryuo> which converts it to C
[16:19] <ryuo> he wrote the translator himself too
[16:20] <ryuo> no issues on x86, but what does that even mean
[16:20] <ryuo> hm
[16:20] <ryuo> oh well.
[16:20] <hyc> right. it means he wrote his code without any thought to portability whatsoever.
[16:20] <hyc> a crock.
[16:20] <ryuo> I'll mention it to him and leave it at that
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[16:21] <ryuo> looks like I'll have to use something else then
[16:21] <ryuo> wonderful. your favorite open source program won't compile on another architecture. lol
[16:23] <ryuo> hm
[16:23] <ryuo> hyc, you have experience with ARM a lot, hm? how does one go about installing a new root file system?
[16:23] <ryuo> I was wanting to use debian armel.
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[16:58] <ryuo> Macer, if i had a nickel for every time... :P
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[17:23] <ryuo> shiznebit, how goes it with gentoo?
[17:23] <shiznebit> be nice if i could start x
[17:24] <ryuo> heh.
[17:24] <ryuo> any tips for how i can get my distro booting on it?
[17:24] <ryuo> i was wanting to install debian to get started
[17:24] <shiznebit> your distro
[17:24] <shiznebit> oh
[17:24] <ryuo> do a native compilation of the base
[17:24] <ryuo> i got my TB today
[17:24] <ryuo> hm
[17:25] <shiznebit> congratulations
[17:25] <ryuo> i am a little disappointed though. my favorite program won't compile due to linker errors
[17:25] <drantin> shiznebit: any clue what's wrong with your X?
[17:25] <ryuo> the error is a conflict in wchar_t types
[17:26] <shiznebit> drantin, well i was trying out viridior's .2 build
[17:26] <shiznebit> i really haven't had much time to look into it
[17:26] <ryuo> shiznebit, so any tips to get started with?
[17:28] <shiznebit> get another sdcard
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[17:28] <ryuo> i got one already.
[17:28] <ryuo> 16G
[17:28] <ryuo> my asus eeepc came with it
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[23:11] <Corsac> hey
[23:11] <gregoiregentil> Hello
[23:14] <swez> hi
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[23:19] <swez> gregoiregentil: thank you, tracking number get my mailbox. my package is into customshouse.
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[23:20] <gregoiregentil> swez: OK. good.
[23:24] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: do we have news about usb resume in BB/TB ?
[23:25] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: and did you had a chance to try testing kernels with CPU power management enabled
[23:27] <dpb> so the october batch was shipped?
[23:28] <gregoiregentil> for USB resume: there has been some work done in ehci in 2.6.32-rcx but it's still under progress. There are many patches floating around and sent to the linux kernel mailing list
[23:28] <gregoiregentil> bottom-line, it's too early to figure out but trying 2.6.32-rc will be interesting to see if it fixes the problem. 50-50 probability
[23:29] <gregoiregentil> also, I was discussing with Koen and he said that Nokia doesn't use this on Nxxx and they just do some power off of various components when sleeping. So we may do the same
[23:30] <gregoiregentil> for power management, 2.6.29-pm is reported working correctly on beagleboard and touch book (from Koen) but I haven't tested it myself. It's on the top of the todo list
[23:30] <gregoiregentil> dpb: for October batch, yes and no. yes, we shipped a bunch of units but we have more. Send an email to contact@alwaysinnovating.com if you want your unit now and are ready to accept beta software
[23:31] <gregoiregentil> Also, the notion of batch makes less sense sense for us now as units are going out of the factory a little bit all the time
[23:32] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: yes, no sleep in n8xx
[23:32] <Corsac> no need for that, only cpu pm (and it makes sense for a phone too)
[23:32] <Corsac> though it requires a really quiet wifi which supports PM
[23:33] <Corsac> (like, not my freebox :/ )
[23:33] <gregoiregentil> quick update on the blanking screen problem: I can reproduce the bug without X. So it's not X. Right now, I would say that very high probability that something broke in DSS2. Especially, we patched DSS2 to add a "state" state and it's not working any more (which causes some other problems). So my guess is that something is broken for us in DSS2. It's under investigation
[23:33] <Corsac> mhmh, my screen doesn't randomly blank, only when dpms activates
[23:33] <gregoiregentil> I was positively surprised by our RT3070 as it was very low power even when working
[23:34] <Corsac> (I never even tried to see how long the batteries lasted)
[23:34] <gregoiregentil> so, Corsac, what's the status: do you have an OE working on your PC machine?
[23:34] <gregoiregentil> can you compile packages and try them on the Touch Book?
[23:34] <Corsac> I'm still with AIOS, but with xfce 4.6
[23:34] <Corsac> yes
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[23:34] <gregoiregentil> OK. It would be great if you can help on the Midori stuff
[23:34] <Corsac> http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/touchbook/xfce/ and they are available
[23:34] <Corsac> sure
[23:35] <gregoiregentil> could you please read the midori chat room a few hours ago
[23:35] <gregoiregentil> I had a discussion with the author. There is a patch to try on webkit
[23:35] <gregoiregentil> also I copy-paste/upgraded webkit and midori from koen on AI git
[23:37] * Corsac bitbakes midori
[23:37] <gregoiregentil> you need to bitbake webkit-gtk which takes some time
[23:37] <dpb> gregoiregentil: I already got mine on the september batch, was just curious if the october one already shipped. :)
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[23:39] <gregoiregentil> dpb: no problem. we are still behind in terms of production (still some backlog) but it's now smoother as we receive units a little bit all the time. So we try to ship to the most impatient and I'm-fine-with-beta customers
[23:41] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: btw I'm not able to reproduce the midori bug on my laptop (while kalikiana seems to be able to)
[23:41] <Corsac> I now use webkit 1.1.16 but it worked fine on 1.1.15 afair
[23:41] <gregoiregentil> but is your laptop touchscreen?
[23:42] <Corsac> no but the touchscreen mode works even without touchscreen
[23:42] <Corsac> (even if not exactly the same)
[23:42] <Corsac> if you have a git midori at hand, try to run it with MIDORI_TOUCHSCREEN=1 midori
[23:42] <gregoiregentil> in any case, I think that the bug occurs when you are borderline of performance
[23:42] <Corsac> (or set the gtk-touchscreen-mode)
[23:42] <gregoiregentil> if you have a quadruple core... it doesn't matter
[23:42] <Corsac> yeah, and my laptop isn't really borderline
[23:42] <Corsac> not really quad core, but still a core2duo
[23:43] <dpb> Where's Meizirkki.. I want to coordinate the Ubuntu port with him so we don't duplicate our efforts too much.. I nearly have a fully automated set of scripts to create an up-to-date Ubuntu Karmic sd card for the Touchbook, was going to put them up on Gitorious yesterday but then noticed Meizirkki has some empty touchbook ubuntu repos in Gitorious already...
[23:43] <Corsac> hmhm, webkit recipe is for webkit_svn only?
[23:43] <gregoiregentil> yes
[23:43] <gregoiregentil> webkit-gtk_svn.bb
[23:44] <leinir> dpb: Well, he was last seen twelve and a half hours ago... so he should be here again in not too long :)
[23:47] <dpb> gregoiregentil: would you have any name suggestions for the Ubuntu touchbook port? :P
[23:48] <leinir> tbuntu is the name Meiz and those guys have worked with so far :)
[23:48] <leinir> (bbiab)
[23:48] <gregoiregentil> dpb: good question! let me think one second
[23:49] <gregoiregentil> tbuntu: not stupid ;-)
[23:50] <dpb> leinir: only Meiz. I myself dislike tbuntu.. :/
[23:50] <Corsac> yeah but that needs an official endorsement by Ubuntu
[23:50] <Corsac> trademarks apply
[23:50] <dpb> Corsac: it does?
[23:50] <gregoiregentil> Well, Mark shuttleworth is a nice guy
[23:50] <dpb> Corsac: tbuntu doesn't have ubuntu in the name
[23:50] <gregoiregentil> and tbuntu.com is available!!!
[23:50] <Corsac> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy is quite picky
[23:50] <Corsac> dpb: buntu is enough
[23:50] <gregoiregentil> I thought that all .com names were taken...
[23:51] <dpb> I don't think a domain for the port is really needed
[23:51] <gregoiregentil> yup, yup, I was just taking a looking for fun
[23:51] <dpb> gregoiregentil: there's plenty of them available :)
[23:51] <gregoiregentil> BTW, I have rearranged the wiki homepage
[23:51] <gregoiregentil> there is a "other OS" section with a non-existent Ubuntu page...
[23:51] <dpb> Nice
[23:52] <dpb> I was writing a howto yesterday on how to setup ubuntu for the touchbook. But I want to put my script repo somewhere first before I put it to the wiki
[23:54] <gregoiregentil> cool. I would love to see that. Same for Android
[23:55] <dpb> Meizirkki has a Touchbook Ubuntu group in Gitorious (http://gitorious.org/unofficial-touchbook-ubuntu)
[23:56] <dpb> with two empty git repos
[23:58] <koen> good morning all
[23:59] <gregoiregentil> our DSS2 is definitely broken. state=OMAP_DSS_DISPLAY_SUSPENDED all the time. that doesn't make sense

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