#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-27

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[0:46] <Corsac> ok, manually following the install-sd.sh works fine
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[0:59] <Corsac> DJWillis: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/touchbook/git/
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[2:08] <DJWillis> Corsac: pushed
[2:09] <koen> DJWillis, Corsac: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=angstrom/xfce46-merge
[2:09] <koen> DJWillis, Corsac: the top commit has all your patches squashed
[2:10] <DJWillis> koen: nice :), I have just pushed a small DEPENDS patch but it's not major in the scheme of things. Have you tried to build from those tasks yet?
[2:11] * DJWillis needs to understand patch squashing.
[2:13] <Corsac> koen: woot
[2:14] <DJWillis> koen: am I right in thinking that squashed patch is safe for renames and deletes that happened in the series? I notice that it implies that exo-0.3.101 still exists as a folder despite it being renameed/moved as part of the patch series
[2:14] <Corsac> DJWillis: btw I forgot to add you to CC but http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=69
[2:15] <koen> DJWillis: ehm, I just used 'patch' to apply it all
[2:15] * koen puts on a dunce cap
[2:18] <DJWillis> Corsac: just reading, I was looking at the 4.6.1 stuff AI worked on, I noticed a lot of branding stuff in there. I want to deal with branding in a much more generic way (and at the DISTRO level) in OE/Angstrom.
[2:18] <DJWillis> koen: not sure if it is a dunce moment or not, I really don't know.
[2:18] <Corsac> yup
[2:18] <koen> DJWillis: do you have a list of files that need to go?
[2:18] <Corsac> I think there are a lot of AI-specific patches there
[2:18] <Corsac> some may be upstreamable, some are definitely branding, and some are in between
[2:18] <Corsac> not really branding in a "design" way, but still not upstreamable adaptations
[2:19] <DJWillis> koen: recipes/xfce-base/exo-0.3.101/* and recipes/xfce-base/exo_0.3.101.bb spring to mind on a quick look.
[2:20] <koen> DJWillis: http://pastebin.ca/1644852
[2:20] <DJWillis> Corsac: yep, and there is much more 'normal' ways to get the code looking for another logo etc. without all the hard coding etc.
[2:20] <DJWillis> koen: ok, so it is clever enough to sort all that out :)
[2:21] <koen> you can add git://dominion.thruhere.net/var/cache/git/openembedded.git as a remote
[2:24] <Corsac> you can't comit directly to oe.org?
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[2:31] <koen> Corsac: sure, but I'd like to sort out kinks before pushing such a big cset :)
[2:33] <Corsac> ok :)
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[2:57] <koen> DJWillis, Corsac: if you don't find any big errors in the rebase I did I'd like to push it tomorrow
[2:57] <DJWillis> koen: will check out later (at work so I can't test on any hardware anyway)
[2:59] * koen goes back to his statistics and probability theory textbook
[3:00] <DJWillis> koen: nice, I have to go back to breaking some .Net design code. :(
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[3:19] <Corsac> koen: I guess I'm fine but I don't really have time to test it
[3:19] <Corsac> and I'll try to rebuild the ai-xfce stack, too
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[3:50] <DJWillis> Corsac: anything of use from that stack that should come over then ping me a patch.
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[5:47] <Corsac> DJWillis: sure
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[6:16] <DJWillis> Corsac: just as an aside, is Rodent stil the icon theme that 'should' be shipped with 4.6? (in it's 4.4.3 vairent?)
[6:17] <DJWillis> Corsac: been using other icon sets so forgot to tidy it up.
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[6:24] <Corsac> no
[6:25] <Corsac> xfce4-icon-theme (rodent) is unmaintained and not fd.o compliant
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[6:30] <DJWillis> Corsac: I did wonder, it's a mess to look at. So what is the 'default' icon theme that should be shipped (most setups seem to ship tango and the like).
[6:31] * leinir would argue for Oxygen...
[6:31] <leinir> It's pretty and super-consistent :)
[6:31] <leinir> (and, of course, fd.o compliant)
[6:33] <DJWillis> leinir: trying to find out the Xfce team 'default' rather than personal prefs (but I do like Oxygen, well most of them) ;-)
[6:34] * koen MACHINE=beagleboard bitbake gigolo mousepad orage ristretto squeeze xfcalendar xfprint exo gtk-xfce-engine thunar xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session xfwm4 xfdesktop
[6:34] <leinir> Well, there's also the point about Oxygen that it's an actively maintained icon set by an author paid to work on it :)
[6:34] <leinir> so it's unlikely to be dropped anytime soon :)
[6:35] <DJWillis> leinir: and it's the icon set that shouts KDE ;-)
[6:36] <leinir> Of course :)
[6:36] <leinir> i rather like that ;)
[6:36] <DJWillis> koen: good luck, expect Gigolo not to mount much without you pulling in some GVFS stuff.
[6:36] * leinir is still hoping to see plasma-netbook on the touchbook soon...ish ;)
[6:37] <koen> DJWillis: shouldn't it have some gvfs stuff in RRECOMMENDS?
[6:37] <leinir> of course... that all comes down to kwin running on opengl es...
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[6:41] <Corsac> DJWillis: tango is fine
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[6:51] * koen changes some RDEPENDS to DEPENDS in the xfce recipes
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[7:20] <DJWillis> koen: go for it. Yep, it should have gvfs stuff in RREC's but I only noticed at 1am today ;-)
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[7:24] <BobW> Hello TB Crew! We just got our TB yesterday and are starting our initial eval on it. Couple of out of the gate items:
[7:25] * koen hints at bugzilla
[7:25] <BobW> We are having problems determining if our network is really poorly performing or if the browsers are. Any suggestions where to start looking on this?
[7:25] <BobW> I have looked through the Wiki and bugzilla....
[7:26] <BobW> and the forums
[7:27] <koen> firefox is dog slow, which is a generic firefox problem
[7:27] <koen> midori should be ok
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[7:28] <BobW> midori still flags a timeout on some pages.
[7:28] <koen> DJWillis, Corsac: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/
[7:30] <BobW> that's why I'm not sure if it is a Wifi network issue or a browser issue. trying to open: www.queuent.com
[7:31] <DJWillis> koen: :), now when I rebase it will really bork! ;-)
[7:32] <DJWillis> koen: I added a simple, crude, image recipe and updated the test to drop a package that does not exist. No big deal but I pushed them to my branch.
[7:44] <koen> DJWillis: I integrated your changes, so it's safe to re-do your branch now :)
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[7:45] <koen> DJWillis: does that image actually work?
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[7:59] <koen> DJWillis: btw, have you looked at libgtkstylus?
[8:04] <DJWillis> koen: i'll know tonight, it's based on my test one so 'should' be fine but I renamed and copied it over to my OE tree.
[8:04] <DJWillis> koen: messing with libgtkstylus but not used it much.
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[8:19] <BobW> Who would be a good person to talk to about ordering more of these Touchbooks?
[8:19] <BobW> like 15-20?
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[8:30] <koen> gregoire :)
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[8:46] <tommd> BobW: Why the volume? An office or some such?
[8:49] <BobW> Sales team and customer eval
[8:51] <BobW> We are evaluating the TB now. All we need is a browser (prefer FF) to run our web app. If it checks out and we don't have any major issues, we would like to discuss a channel/OEM deal
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[9:13] <ryuo> BobW: you realize Firefox runs a bit slower on an embedded architecture like ARM, right?
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[9:14] <koen> you mean "on anything that isn't a 10GHz quadcore with GL acceleration and 20GB of ram" with "embedded", right?
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[9:20] <ryuo> koen: not really.
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[9:22] <BobW> Yes - FF is slower but it is working. We're having issues with Midori and allowing popups
[9:23] <ryuo> ah.
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[9:51] <DJWillis> BobW: tried other WebKit based browsers?
[9:51] <BobW> No - haven't. do you have one you could recommend?
[9:53] <DJWillis> BobW: not sure, there are several, some mention that Gnomes epiphany is not bad for simple bits and bobs.
[9:54] <BobW> I'll hunt around a bit.
[9:56] <DJWillis> BobW: I only mention that I have had trouble with Midori that worked in Epiphany and vice versa.
[9:57] <BobW> Thanks - it seems to work well and fast, there just seem to be no way to enable popups or it looks like all popups are blocked by default.
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[11:10] <koen> DJWillis: does you SLiM recipe work?
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[11:14] <DJWillis> koen: not 100%, seems to crash a lot (reason for not putting it in the oe tree). Still working on it, got it all playing nice with PAM, just 3-5 times it fails to display the login ;-)
[11:15] <koen> don't forget to RDEPEND on the needed pam modules
[11:16] <koen> DJWillis: xfce46-image now builds in OE
[11:17] <koen> dunno if it works, but it builds :)
[11:18] <drantin> if it builds, it's good. if it runs, ship it!
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[11:22] <DJWillis> koen: just built and tested what I have, startfce4 worked ;-)
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[11:53] <Corsac> koen: I really need a way to do clean deploy folders, having hundreds of .ipk is just awful. Would you know a trick for that?
[11:54] <Corsac> (like, "download all the .ipk you need in a local cache and put only the ones I'm asking you to the deploy folder_
[11:59] <koen> can't you just ignore those files?
[12:00] <Corsac> well, there are hundreds of "useless" stuff, which makes it a bit hard to see which ones are really useful
[12:01] <DJWillis> Corsac: do you have OCD tendencies? ;-) - Your desire to clean makes me smile.
[12:01] <Corsac> DJWillis: that's not a desire to clean
[12:01] <Corsac> DJWillis: I just find it weird to have *everything* including all build-dependencies of my packages in the same result folder
[12:01] <Corsac> I'm not interested in those
[12:01] <DJWillis> Corsac: ;-)
[12:02] <Corsac> I don't care about glibc or a compiler package
[12:02] <Corsac> I'd appreciate not needing to build them and install if from .ipk too
[12:03] <Corsac> but for a start, isn't it possible to only get the packages I've asked to build?
[12:04] <DJWillis> Corsac: the snag is that you never know what your going to need as your dealing with a cross compile so you can traces a depend all the way back to point 1 ;-)
[12:05] <Corsac> DJWillis: *I* know where to stop. Don't recurse further than one level. That's my job
[12:06] <Corsac> sorry, I may speak an alien language, maybe I'm just too used to the debian way
[12:06] <Corsac> but I just find that counter-intuitive and expensive
[12:07] <Corsac> why not installing the .ipk from mirrors, and if not available build them
[12:07] <Corsac> (and put them in the cache)
[12:07] <Corsac> that way you know that all the dependencies will be fullfilled by using pre-built packages
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[12:16] <BobW> Anyone available for a quick question/issue with the touch screen and the calibration steps on the wiki: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Touchscreen_calibration ?
[12:19] <martinh> i haven't done that, but what's the question?
[12:19] <BobW> Well - I followed those steps... but something must have gone wrong because the touch screen is not working now... I need to know how to undo those steps
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[12:20] <martinh> type everything backwards!
[12:20] <BobW> ok - I'll try that......
[12:21] <BobW> I'd hate to reinstall the os for something as simple as pointing it back to its default driver or something.
[12:21] <martinh> just kidding.
[12:21] <BobW> me too
[12:22] <martinh> naw. undo the 3rd step.
[12:22] <martinh> sed -i s/tslib/evdev/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:22] <martinh> ctrl-alt-backspace restart should be enough.
[12:23] <BobW> ok - I'll give it a shot: > sed -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf s/tslib/evdev/ right?
[12:25] <BobW> swap the two terms of sed -i ?
[12:26] <martinh> nope. what I pasted.
[12:26] <BobW> right - figured it out... trying it now
[12:26] <martinh> er. yes to the 2nd one. not what you pasted.
[12:26] <BobW> YES! - thanks!
[12:26] <martinh> now, where did shtylman get the x11 tslib drivers from?
[12:27] <BobW> dunno - that's where it was a bit of leap of faith when I follow the procedure in the first place.
[12:28] <BobW> thanks for your help - was a bit sweating there.
[12:28] <martinh> interesting. tslib stuff is stock, apparently. but no x drivers.
[12:39] <martinh> huh. xf86-input-tslib is there
[12:40] <BobW> I assumed that was the touch screen libraries
[12:40] <martinh> yea. it seems like it should be.
[12:41] <martinh> the error is that it can't load the module.l
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[12:43] <BobW> is that related to the c version? I think the tslib changes were done on b
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[12:55] <martinh> ah. it's X86, not xorg.
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[13:13] <martinh> ah. ipkg installed the xorg one. . .
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[13:35] <Eruquen> did anyone manage to get the tun/tap module to work on the touchbook?
[13:43] <martinh> I haven't tried yet.
[13:43] <martinh> but. . .VPNish stuff is on my agenda, but not for a while, probably.
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[18:13] <gregoiregentil> Hello all
[18:13] <gregoiregentil> very long time, no see in the #touchbook room. I have been very busy on various stuff (essentially hardware)
[18:13] <hyc> hey, nice to see you back in here
[18:14] <gregoiregentil> I will have more time to dedicate to software in the coming three weeks
[18:14] <gregoiregentil> so I definitely would like to move forward on the AI OS, and make it more stable
[18:15] <gregoiregentil> You probably saw that we have released our stuff in the git here: http://git.alwaysinnovating.com. It's not perfect but I think that it's a good start. Let me know if there is any question about this
[18:18] <gregoiregentil> BTW, there are two or three days missing on the irclog http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/irclog/ between 09-12 and 09-15 - the server crashed and the bot didn't restart automatically. If anybody has the log for those days, please send to me so that I can integrate into the log files. Thanks.
[18:21] <gregoiregentil> hyc: regarding http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=68, do you have any idea? Is it something that is missing or not working? I think that it's low priority but you are the wifi expert
[18:21] <hyc> I don't believe anything is missing, but I haven't got a network config to verify
[18:21] <hyc> certainly wpa_supplicant works with those options
[18:22] <hyc> and I was pretty sure I surfaced enough in the UI to fill in the required options
[18:22] <gregoiregentil> OK
[18:26] <hyc> I've just replied asking for more information, we can proceed from there
[18:26] <gregoiregentil> Cool. Many thanks.
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[18:39] <lcuk> gregoiregentil, i have a wicked ui for the touchpad mounted on the wall :)
[18:39] <lcuk> (hi btw)
[18:40] <gregoiregentil> Hello
[18:40] <gregoiregentil> OK
[18:40] <lcuk> the whole device looks amazing
[18:40] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: picture?
[18:40] <lcuk> you have done so much!
[18:41] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: Thanks. still some work to polish the device, but we have a start....
[18:41] <lcuk> forgive my graphic design skills http://liqbase.net/liq.20090526_031404.lib.scr.png
[18:42] <lcuk> it is a multi widget ui fully scalable and zoomable and configurable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok (short 1min)
[18:43] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: This is quite cool
[18:44] <gregoiregentil> on which framework is it built?
[18:44] <lcuk> its all completely hand built :$
[18:44] <lcuk> i wrote it on the nokia n810 tablet
[18:44] <lcuk> and the graphics wouldnt work
[18:44] <lcuk> so i made em go quick
[18:46] <lcuk> i like to take notes
[18:46] <lcuk> and i wanted something that i would never lose an idea from
[18:46] <lcuk> so it has infinite paper
[18:47] <lcuk> this is a quick run through of how that works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDEvXueO0I
[18:48] <gregoiregentil> is there an OE recipe somewhere for this?
[18:48] <lcuk> there is just my public code
[18:48] <lcuk> ive never tried to push it because it needs quite some work
[18:49] <gregoiregentil> what are the dependencies / requirements?
[18:49] <lcuk> http://github.com/lcuk
[18:49] <lcuk> x11+xv
[18:49] <lcuk> runs on the n8x0 up
[18:49] <lcuk> ive had it on my laptop
[18:49] <lcuk> but im a visual basic developer
[18:49] <shiznebit> lcuk, that looks sweet
[18:49] <lcuk> all this linux stuff scares me
[18:49] <gregoiregentil> xv! Oops, it's for my friend Koen ;-)
[18:50] <lcuk> yeah i see him working on xv quite a lot in #beagle i think
[18:50] <shiznebit> gregoiregentil, do you think it the usb issue when returning from sleep is a hardware issue or an issue with the software
[18:51] <gregoiregentil> Yes, he pushed it (and he is definitely right). On the AI OS, we stayed with fbdev that we fine tuned a little bit. It would make sense to go to xv in the future
[18:51] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: I think that it's a little bit hardware, but my guess is that it would be feasible to fix it in software
[18:51] <lcuk> its still the fastest rendering method i know of
[18:51] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: Beagleboard has the same problem. I think that upgrading the kernel will help
[18:52] <lcuk> i believe it can be done via powervr
[18:52] <lcuk> the n900 is same chipset
[18:52] <lcuk> and it runs on baconfat
[18:52] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: because it will bring more good stuff around power management
[18:52] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: if you add the PM branch on top of this, it will help to find a solution. That's my guess
[18:52] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: yeah, that would be super cool to see something similar
[18:53] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: with powervr and leverage the openGL ES
[18:53] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: clutter would be a great candidate for something like your stuff
[18:53] <shiznebit> gregoiregentil, i remember trying playing around with LXDE_Ubuntu build, and doing it echo -n mem /sys/power/state ,puts it to sleep
[18:53] <shiznebit> and pressing enter wakes it back up
[18:53] <lcuk> clutter would not be as fast i believe right now
[18:53] <lcuk> im still optimized for power
[18:53] <lcuk> and battery etc
[18:53] <shiznebit> but right after all usb die
[18:53] <hyc> shiznebit: ubuntu on TB or some other machine?
[18:54] <shiznebit> yeah meiz
[18:54] <shiznebit> meiz's image
[18:54] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: yes. same for me with AI OS. I can wake the machine but then USB are gone
[18:54] <hyc> still strikes me as a driver bug
[18:55] <gregoiregentil> hyc: yes. I'm surprised that nobody in the beagleboard really coped with this problem
[18:59] <lcuk> do people put their beagles to sleep that often tho?
[18:59] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: I don't think so as it's so low power
[18:59] <lcuk> cos they dont have the same power constraints or expecting them to be mobile like you guys
[19:00] <lcuk> it might explain why they havent pushed a fix through
[19:02] <shiznebit> is it related to the EHCI
[19:02] <shiznebit> issue
[19:03] <hyc> EHCI is the USB controller so certainly related
[19:05] <shiznebit> would there be another way to make it sleep ?
[19:06] <shiznebit> like kill off all the usb modules
[19:06] <gregoiregentil> shiznebit: not really. There would be an hibernate feature, but I'm far less convinced by such option
[19:09] <lcuk> gregoiregentil, do you mind if i message you
[19:09] <gregoiregentil> lcuk: sure. no problem
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[23:51] <ryuo> gregoiregentil: you awake still?
[23:51] <gregoiregentil> yes
[23:51] <ryuo> ah.
[23:52] <ryuo> the average wait on the backorder like a month?
[23:52] <gregoiregentil> Trying to fix some bugs!
[23:52] <ryuo> ah.
[23:52] <ryuo> I placed an order last friday. heh
[23:52] <gregoiregentil> ryuo: well, we are now in better shape on production (though it's still not perfect)
[23:53] <gregoiregentil> if you are very in hurry, accept software as beta (and want to contribute), you can still send an email to contact@alwaysinnovating.com
[23:53] <ryuo> well, i was going to use it for testing and porting my distro to ARM.
[23:53] <ryuo> check my cloak =p
[23:54] <gregoiregentil> which distro is it?
[23:54] <ryuo> ryuo [n=ryuo@frugalware/developer/ryuo]
[23:54] <ryuo> frugalware
[23:54] <Corsac> hey gregoiregentil
[23:54] <ryuo> http://www.frugalware.org is our main website
[23:54] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: Hello
[23:55] <gregoiregentil> yes, I'm browsing it
[23:55] <ryuo> if you've heard of arch, then you may be familiar with our package manager.
[23:55] <ryuo> its a fork of libpacman
[23:55] <gregoiregentil> the policy is that we welcome any other distribution and we encourage people to use our tryptic x-load/u-boot/kernel so that the kernel can abstract properly our hardware
[23:56] <ryuo> my order is just sitting in your queue right now =p
[23:56] <gregoiregentil> also, right now, our focus remains the AI OS which is really fully optimized for the Touch Book and the OMAP3530. There are probably some good stuff to take from AI OS if you want to develop an OS fully optimized for OMAP
[23:56] <gregoiregentil> I see
[23:56] <ryuo> I happen to be the only US based developer for the distro.. heh
[23:57] <ryuo> gregoiregentil: thanks. =p you the owner of the company?
[23:57] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: Do you know the guy behind Midori?
[23:57] <gregoiregentil> ryuo: yes
[23:57] <ryuo> ah.
[23:57] <gregoiregentil> :-)
[23:58] <ryuo> i can wait like everyone else, but my intentions aren't just to use it.
[23:58] <ryuo> this will be an adventure to me, i've only use x86 before.
[23:58] <ryuo> used*
[23:59] <ryuo> if you check the backlog, you'll find someone named BobW, supposedly he represents some kind of company thats
[23:59] <gregoiregentil> oops! I recommend that you dig into OE. this is the main tool to cross compile for an ARM device
[23:59] <ryuo> interested in ordering a large order?
[23:59] <Corsac> gregoiregentil: yes
[23:59] <gregoiregentil> Corsac: good. could you read my post on the #midori chat room?
[23:59] <Corsac> yeah, wait a sec (he's kalikiana on irc but he's not around atm)

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