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[1:07] <hyc> oh well, so that's not the problem
[1:16] <koen_> "00:58 < mrwoo1> my current goal is to see if I can make pidgin package with aim support"
[1:16] <koen_> opkg install libpurple-protocol-aim
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[9:48] <dpb> god.. booting kde on the touchbook takes ages... :)
[9:49] <ryuo> what do you expect?
[9:49] <ryuo> the things a beast.
[9:49] <dpb> yep
[9:49] <dpb> I didn't expect it to be fast
[9:49] <dpb> just wanted to see how insanely slow it was
[9:49] <ryuo> i kinda think KDE or GNOME is overkill on embedded
[9:50] <dpb> They're overkill on ANY computer.
[9:50] <ryuo> well x86 will usually load faster
[9:51] <dpb> sure, but they're crap anyway. :)
[9:51] <ryuo> dpb: true, but x86 can do some stuff ARM can't right now..
[9:51] <ryuo> mostly gaming stuff though
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[9:52] <ryuo> 3 days since TB order placed, N days left. lol
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[9:54] <dpb> :)
[9:54] <Meizirkki> dpb, KDE is damn slow to boot.. but Kubuntu 9.10 boots to the desktop faster than The Original OS :D
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[9:55] <Meizirkki> the original os to xfce that is
[9:57] <dpb> Meizirkki: well didn't for me
[9:57] <dpb> Meizirkki: Apparently it died somewhere in the boot process
[9:57] <Meizirkki> KDE ?
[9:57] <dpb> well, I got the login screen alright, but starting kde failed
[9:57] <Meizirkki> O_o
[9:57] <Meizirkki> Nepomuk desktop search i bet
[9:57] <dpb> yes, KDE. Kubuntu.
[9:58] <Meizirkki> that thing kills and device with only 256mb of RAM
[9:58] <Meizirkki> Nepomuk
[9:58] <Meizirkki> But Kubuntu 9.10 works ok here :)
[9:58] <dpb> It's not released yet. :P
[9:59] <dpb> And this was a Kubuntu Karmic build I did today.
[9:59] <Meizirkki> heh :P
[9:59] <Meizirkki> ok
[9:59] <Meizirkki> i installed kde-minimal meta-package, not the full kubuntu-desktop though :)
[10:00] <andrewgodwin> ahh, right
[10:00] <andrewgodwin> i got kubu-desktop and it doesn't log in
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[10:01] <Meizirkki> you might wan't to log into lxde or somewhere to disable nepomuk desktop search
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[10:02] <dpb> Meizirkki: ah, that might be it then ;)
[10:02] <andrewgodwin> bloody nepomuk
[10:02] <dpb> Anyway, I don't care much. I just wanted to see what happens. I won't be using KDE anyway..
[10:02] <andrewgodwin> I was thinking more about running just kwin with my custom finger-friendly panel
[10:03] <Meizirkki> even better, run openbox + plasma
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[10:04] <andrewgodwin> plasma loves right-click though
[10:05] <Meizirkki> Qt can have tap-and-hold right click
[10:05] <dpb> Even better: write your own window manager.
[10:06] <andrewgodwin> no, that's hard
[10:06] <andrewgodwin> panels are easier
[10:06] <dpb> Running WIMP desktops on a device like this is insane.
[10:06] <andrewgodwin> although really I should use ecore instead of gtk
[10:06] <andrewgodwin> dpb: I agree. I like ubuntu's tabbed fullscreen window approach
[10:06] <andrewgodwin> (UNR that is)
[10:07] <dpb> Gotta go now to destroy the rest of my muscles.
[10:07] <Meizirkki> UNR is bullshit -.-
[10:07] <dpb> 5 days of capoeira in a row is suicide..
[10:07] <Meizirkki> UNR It's way too heavy to be good for low-power netbooks
[10:08] <Meizirkki> it run crappier than KDE 4.3 on my n810
[10:08] <andrewgodwin> Meizirkki: yes, but i like the idea and the concept
[10:08] <andrewgodwin> if only they hadn't done it all in gtk+clutter
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[10:55] <hyc> run MGR instead :P
[11:00] <koen> some more touchbook stuff was merged into upstream OE just now
[11:01] <Corsac> cool
[11:01] <Corsac> linux-omap 2.6.29: sync touchbook patches with AI repo
[11:01] <Corsac> cool
[11:02] <Corsac> thought the commit msg is a bit sparse
[11:02] <koen> I had to make it up myself
[11:02] <koen> since I had to extract it from http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/commit/?id=57a93cec647977feb50172f2d7c2dc0091b2c6a0
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[11:04] <Corsac> oh ok
[11:04] <Corsac> thanks for that work, btw
[11:06] * koen needs to find some slav^H^H^H^H interns to continue the work
[11:07] * Meizirkki patiently waits for AI to add cpufreq in the kernel
[11:09] <koen> if you use OE it will build a touchbook kernel with cpufreq by default
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[11:11] * koen realizes that that kernel would still be using the old mach id and uboot the new one
[11:11] <koen> ah well, another item on my todo list
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[11:14] <fooq> hey, did I miss any news about oct. batch?
[11:15] * fooq scrolls the logs
[11:15] <tommd> fooq: Nothing on the forums and nothing on the support page - I'd say checking IRC for more info is a bit overkill.
[11:16] <fooq> ah thx.
[11:20] <Corsac> koen: mach id?
[11:20] <koen> the bootloader passed a number in r1 to identify the machine it's running on
[11:20] <koen> the kernel uses that number
[11:21] <koen> gregoire (ab)used the beagleboard one in the past
[11:22] <Corsac> ok and the next one will use a touchbook id, but for that uboot needs to know about it
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[11:38] <koen> uboot is the one that writes it to r1 :)
[11:40] <Corsac> yeah so it needs to know the new one :)
[11:43] <koen> so I merged the new uboot today, but didn't update the pm kernel
[11:43] <Corsac> ok
[11:44] <Corsac> though I don't really think I'm gonna try to change the kernel soon
[11:44] <Corsac> since I have quite some bad luck booting custom keys
[11:44] <koen> if you do, you might need to change uboot
[11:45] <Corsac> yeah, and the keys I try don't work
[11:45] <Corsac> so I'm not gonna try that :)
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[11:56] <koen> http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?id=0bee6a2ed81ffcedaecbb96a64b694d289cfe5f6
[11:57] <koen> there we go
[11:58] <koen> Corsac: I hope to have some time on friday to merge the xfce 4.6 bits
[12:11] <tommd> Is there something stopping many of those patches from going to Linus?
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[12:11] <tommd> Oh, and good job.
[12:14] <koen> tommd: the pm patches are slowly getting merged into tony's tree, who will merge it into linus' tree
[12:15] <koen> tommd: note that there is not touchbook support whatsoever in those trees
[12:16] <koen> the quickest way to get it in is to take the beagleboard board file that's in there and do sed s/beagle/touchbook/ intelligently and send that patch upstream
[12:16] <koen> things like the accelerometers can be added later
[12:18] <koen> anyone can submit that, btw
[12:31] <DJWillis> koen: are you happy to take XFCE 4.6? Been testing more, there are a few rough ends (icons missing here and there) but everything I tried works so far :). Need to give the evtouch X driver in OE some love to get right click on long tap working soon.
[12:40] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: touch issue.. maybe tslib/evdev has some idiotic right click support
[12:43] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, i would say it's something else.. In the 0.17 with GLES the screen was updating randomly (typing something in osso-xterm showed up only if i had good luck) and some parts of the desktop weren't showing up at all, like the dialog for choosing wallpaper..
[12:44] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: there are lots of semi-retarded Right click hacks for TSLib and EVDev ;-), just messing with EVTouch as it seems a more mature wrapper to EVDev for touchscreens in X at this stage ;-)
[12:45] <mellum> Hmm, does the ssh not have X forwarding?
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[13:14] <Corsac> koen: cool thanks
[13:15] <koen> DJWillis: no-one complained, so I guess it's safe to apply
[13:16] <koen> DJWillis: I suspect I'm going to squash the top 14 patches or so
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[13:18] <DJWillis> koen: I have some cleanup and git mv's to commit to clean up XFCE in tree, what do you want me to do about them?
[13:19] <koen> commit them
[13:19] <koen> and if you know how to squash patches, go ahead :)
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[13:19] * koen doesn't know how do that, but google will probably return a blog saying how to do it
[13:19] <DJWillis> koen: that would be a 'no, i'll fook it all up again' ;-)
[13:19] <koen> since git man pages suck
[13:20] <DJWillis> GIT man pages are almost as good at making me wretch as TI driver source code ;-)
[13:20] * koen is currently building with this: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=koen/static-libs-rework&id=a1240eb379b23d133ec65290c2cf5f1c679ad068
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[13:23] <DJWillis> koen: interesting, that should spice things up a bit ;-)
[13:23] <DJWillis> koen: how well do you know evdev and evtouch?
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[13:24] <koen> DJWillis: I dislike xf86-input-evdev, but hrw has good experiences with tit
[13:24] <koen> -t
[13:24] * koen uses xf86-input-tslib
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[13:29] <DJWillis> koen: noted, I am not a fan of evdev right now (so looking at tslib, evtouch and http://www.plop.at/en/touchscreen.html for ideas on how to do it the 'right' way).
[13:30] <koen> I'm not sure if the driver is the right place to emulate right click for touchscreens
[13:32] <DJWillis> koen: nor me but it 'does' seem to be the place it's normally done, I was thinking of some Python to do it when up and running.
[13:33] <koen> I think putting it in the toolkit would be better
[13:33] <koen> provided the toolkit is 'touchscreen aware'
[13:33] <koen> (try dragging in firefox, it fails)
[13:36] <DJWillis> koen: no shock there :(, touchscreen support will only get better when it floods X86 world on all manner of devices I guess.
[13:37] <koen> sadly it's mostly on NIHdroid nowadays
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[13:38] <DJWillis> koen: true
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[14:04] <Corsac> mhmh, the ???moir????? on the screen when booting is when the bootloader isn't found?
[14:04] <Corsac> or when the kernel is not found?
[14:06] <koen> you mean the purple static?
[14:07] <koen> x-loader has no logo, u-boot has a logo, then you'll get the static, then you'll see the kernel logo
[14:10] <Corsac> not purple, the white to black
[14:10] <koen> haven't seen that yet
[14:11] <Corsac> it looks like there is random data on the video card memory
[14:12] <koen> the DSS block gets reset when linux boots
[14:15] <Corsac> pff, I really don't know what the problem is
[14:15] * koen should solder on a serial port
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[14:20] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: that means there's no u-boot
[14:20] <andrewgodwin> or, your lcd is getting power but no data
[14:20] <andrewgodwin> both of these are the same
[14:21] <Corsac> ok so mlo was ok but no u-boot.bin?
[14:21] <Corsac> (in term of files on the partition)
[14:22] <koen> mlo could be bust as well, since it doesn't touch the dss AIUI
[14:23] <koen> my "make it boot faster" masterplan involves putting mlo and uboot in NAND an only the kernel on SD
[14:24] <Corsac> mpf, so basically I still don't know what cause that :)
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[19:58] <cmcmanis> howdy folks, what is the super user password (default) on my touchbook?
[19:59] <drantin> use `sudo -s`
[19:59] <drantin> then you can set one if you feel like it
[19:59] <drantin> with pwd
[20:00] <drantin> or was it su -s ?
[20:00] <drantin> can't recall
[20:00] <cmcmanis> cool will try that
[20:00] <drantin> either way, narrowing it to two options out of an unknown quantity is quite good :D
[20:01] <cmcmanis> drantin: 'no valid shadow password'
[20:01] <drantin> neither worked?
[20:02] <cmcmanis> nope
[20:02] <drantin> sudo -s works fine here...
[20:04] <cmcmanis> hmm ok the very weird `sudo -s` then passwd seems to have done it
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[20:06] <cmcmanis> ok so next question, ssh access?
[20:07] <drantin> from, or to?
[20:07] <drantin> ssh from it works like normal
[20:07] <drantin> `ssh user@host -p port` etc
[20:08] <cmcmanis> to it
[20:08] <cmcmanis> I'd like a screen I can read with my older eyes ;-)
[20:08] <cmcmanis> tried starting dropbear but it doesn't seem to start, just returns to the prompt
[20:09] <drantin> did you try the init script?
[20:09] <drantin> `/etc/init.d/dropbear start`
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[20:26] <drantin> cmcmanis: ?
[20:26] <drantin> freenode is semi-prone to netsplits
[20:27] <cmcmanis> ah
[20:27] <drantin> it's run off various servers around the world, and they sometimes get out of sync
[20:28] <drantin> cmcmanis: you can use the update-rc.d tool to have dropbear started on every boot if you want
[20:29] <cmcmanis> good to know, I'm trying to figure out the best way to do development on this thing
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[20:43] <lcuk> guys, have you got XV in your default OS?
[20:44] <lcuk> i had a quick play with a tb at barcamp london at weekend, and its a superb machine
[20:45] <lcuk> i want to see whether liqbase will run on it
[20:45] <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hGUKICDeok
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[21:34] <nhg> touchbooks are on sale?
[21:35] <drantin> kind of
[21:35] <drantin> the waiting period is much, much shorter now
[21:38] <cmcmanis> I'd love to see liqbase on it
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[21:38] <lcuk> cmcmanis :) you and me both
[21:39] <lcuk> its the right size for the wallmount ive got in mind
[21:39] <lcuk> and the right chip :)
[21:40] <lcuk> cmcmanis, i had a glimpse here of large format: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG
[21:41] <lcuk> but ive been a bit preoccupied recently
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[22:05] <ryuo> drantin: how long is the waiting period now?
[22:05] <ryuo> i placed my order 4 days ago
[22:05] <drantin> afaik, a month or two at most. but you shouldn't really depend on that answer
[22:06] <ryuo> ah
[22:11] <ryuo> viridior: awake today? ;)
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