#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-25

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[2:10] <koen> oh look http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/
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[2:21] <DJWillis> koen: AI: Good call :)
[2:21] <leinir> switching to git? Damn yeah :)
[2:22] <leinir> though i might've suggested making use of gitorious for it... but sure :)
[2:33] <koen> I'm breaking down the mega commit into manageable chunks here: http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=koen/touchbook-merge
[2:34] <koen> Now I need someone else to ask gregoire to maintain his AI stuff like the accelerometer helper in a seperate repo instead tying them into the buildsys
[2:35] <leinir> Ah yes, randomly: My better half was enquiring about IPv6 support, does anybody know about that? :)
[2:35] <koen> the base os supports ipv6
[2:35] <koen> dunno about he gui apps
[2:35] <koen> I had miplv6 working a few years ago
[2:36] <koen> as well as I could get it working, since I didn't have other ipv6 places to roam to :)
[2:36] <leinir> Right...
[2:36] <leinir> Hehe, that's a problem i guess :)
[2:37] <koen> I need to get my tunnel reactivated so I can play with it some more
[2:37] <leinir> *nods* My bf uses sixx... if i remember right :)
[2:37] <koen> leinir: I'm pretty sure we can at least try to fix any ipv6 bug you or your better half raises :)
[2:37] <leinir> http://chaz6.com/
[2:37] <leinir> i shall poke him about it when he wakes up :)
[2:45] <koen> heh, I just read up on openinkpot
[2:45] <koen> another project that decided they should do their own OE distro, but not communicate with the OE project itself
[2:46] <leinir> d'oh!
[2:46] <koen> unsurprisingly they didn't have enough manpower to manage their own distro and now use debian
[2:50] <koen> but of course a fork of debian, since you can't possible keep the original name
[2:51] <koen> funny how some people just can't control their NIH impulses
[2:52] <leinir> Yeah :)
[2:52] <Meizirkki> Isn't AI going to get some trouble having all the PowerVR SGX stuff in a public GIT repo? O_o
[2:53] <leinir> Meizirkki: Nope - code produced from the specifications can be public just fine, what you /can't/ do is show the documentation... at least that's how i understand it :)
[2:53] <leinir> (please correct me if i'm wrong ;) )
[2:53] <Meizirkki> ok
[2:53] <koen> the es3.1.tbz2 will get them in trouble
[2:54] <Meizirkki> *sigh*
[2:55] * koen sends a mail to gregoire stating that and hinting that 'rm ; git commit' is not enough
[3:02] <DJWillis> koen: ;-). Hint that Gregoire maintains a seperate overlay for the non base tweaks while your at it ;-).
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[3:21] <Simeon_H> ooh since when was Touch Book a registered trademark?
[3:25] <DJWillis> koen: Question, before I do it what do you think the chances of getting an OK to bin XFCE 4.4 are in favour of 4.6 in OE? Just tested up everything and taken some updates suggested by Corsac so I think it's in pretty good shape to be honest.
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[3:33] <koen> DJWillis: let's get a branch with all the changes somewhere and RFC it on the oe-devel list
[3:35] <DJWillis> koen: I thought you would say that ;-). Now I have to fight with GIT again :(
[3:37] <Corsac> koen: hey
[3:38] <Corsac> koen: is there an easy way to create an opkg repository? And is there a way to only generate .ipk for the stuff I care (xfce, mainly) and not everything?
[3:40] <DJWillis> Corsac: hiya, just trying to beat GIT into pushing up my XFCE branch as I have tested as much as I can and it all seems fit and well.
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[3:40] <Corsac> cool
[3:42] <DJWillis> koen: do you know an easy clean way to blow away a git branch on a remote repro?
[3:43] <Corsac> DJWillis: how do you push your .ipk to your touchbook?
[3:44] <DJWillis> Corsac: I have no touchbook but I just copy them over or setup OPKG to look at a local resource on my LAN.
[3:45] <Corsac> yeah but you need to generate a Packages.gz, don't you?
[3:45] <Corsac> which looks that a debian Packages, but won't be generated by a dpkg-scanpackages
[3:45] <Corsac> I've took a look at make-ipkg-index but it doesn't work (tar vs. ar for example)
[3:45] <DJWillis> Corsac: yep, but that's easy (and yes, it's a LOT like the Debian stuff ;-))
[3:46] <Corsac> and how do you do it?
[3:46] <DJWillis> Corsac: I have some scripts I use of my own but there is stuff in contrib to help sort all that out.
[3:46] <DJWillis> Corsac: sorry, on the phone ;-)
[3:46] <Corsac> np
[3:52] <Corsac> hmhm sort.sh seems to use ipkg-make-index
[3:52] <Corsac> the only one I found doesn't really work
[4:08] <koen> DJWillis: git push origin :branchname
[4:08] <koen> DJWillis: provided the remote repo allows that
[4:09] <koen> Corsac: ipkg-make-index -p Packages -m .
[4:10] <koen> Corsac: check tmp/deploy/<your host arch> for ipkg-make-index and ipkg.py
[4:10] <Corsac> ok
[4:10] <Corsac> find tmp/deploy -name ipkg-make-index; echo $?
[4:10] <Corsac> 0
[4:10] <Corsac> :/
[4:11] <koen> Corsac: contrib/angstrom/upload-packages.sh have some logic to see which packages exists only locally (e.g. your xfce stuff)
[4:11] <koen> Corsac: bitbake ipkg-utils-native should give you it
[4:11] <Corsac> ok
[4:12] <Corsac> my problem is that when I did bitbake task-xfce46-base it generated .ipk for everything
[4:12] <koen> right
[4:12] <Corsac> while I only want .ipkg for that task
[4:12] <Corsac> (because dependencies will be picked up on other feeds)
[4:13] <Corsac> (and I don't exactly want to maintain a complete OE mirror on my server :) )
[4:14] <DJWillis> koen: as your the resident GIT guru ;-), best way to push a local branch to a remote repro? (I have a local xfce46 branch and want to push to djwillis/xfce46 on a hosted repro).
[4:15] <koen> git push <remotename> refs/heads/<your branch>
[4:15] <koen> on the subsequent push you can leave off the refs/heads
[4:15] * koen learnt that trick last week
[4:15] <DJWillis> Corsac: ahhh, okies, not 100% how well that works (I just point at my full build tree or put all that on my server (for now)).
[4:16] <koen> DJWillis: http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/GitPhraseBook#Delete_your_branch_after_it_was_merged
[4:16] <DJWillis> koen: nice, won't that end up with a remote branch the same name as the local one however? Not that it matters but I notice the OE convention is to have user/branch and that seems nice.
[4:16] <DJWillis> koen: thanks for that.
[4:16] <koen> DJWillis: I think that keeps the names the same
[4:16] * koen doesn't really care for branch names
[4:20] <Corsac> hmhm, ipkg-make-index won't look into subfolders?
[4:21] <DJWillis> koen: well in theory http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=xfce46-support should be a simple set of just the newest changes :-o. Either that or I created a black hole and ended the universe, nope, it's still there.
[4:24] <Corsac> in tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk I have multiple folders for different arches (all, x86_64 (??), armv7, omap3-touchbook. Should I generate a Packages.gz for all the subfolders and add all the feeds to my touchbook?
[4:30] <koen> Corsac: yes, minus the x86 one :)
[4:32] <Corsac> mpf.
[4:32] <koen> DJWillis: some of the files need a dos2unix treatment (e.g. libxfce4meny)
[4:33] <DJWillis> koen: oh FFS! ;-)
[4:43] <DJWillis> koen: ok, checksums and line endings fixed ;-)
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[5:08] <Corsac> I don't know why, but some stuff don't appear in opkg search while they are available
[5:16] <koen> maybe wrong arch
[5:16] <koen> some AIOS versions pretend they are a beagleboard
[5:17] <koen> go to /etc/opkg/arch.conf and add omap3-touchbook with a higher number as the beagleboard entry
[5:17] <DJWillis> koen: are they still using the Beagle kernel machineid?
[5:17] <koen> 09c might be using its own id
[5:18] <koen> the patches in http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=koen/touchbook-merge use the tb ID
[5:18] <Corsac> hmhm, crap
[5:18] <Corsac> symbol lookup errors
[5:19] <koen> for some reason gregoire is using glibc 2.6 instead of 2.9
[5:20] <koen> he mentioned bugs I can't reproduce, so I'm not going to merge that glibc bit into OE
[5:20] <Corsac> I've upgraded xfce-terminal, which brought gtk too
[5:21] <Corsac> libgdk-x11-2.so.0: undefined symbol XRRGetScreenRessourcesCurrent
[5:21] <Corsac> seems that some xlib should have been upgraded too
[5:21] <Corsac> and dependencies aren't correctly set or something
[5:21] <koen> I got that one as well and wondered why
[5:21] <Corsac> funny, when you look at that symbols, you get my error on debian lists :)
[5:21] <DJWillis> Corsac: urggg, mergeing in and out tree stuff is going to get messy ;-)
[5:22] <Corsac> ?
[5:22] <Corsac> ldd: command not found
[5:22] <Corsac> prft
[5:22] <Corsac> that, and no coreutils either
[5:23] <Corsac> hmhm, not libxrandr?
[5:24] <Corsac> hmmh,
[5:24] * koen despairs at the size of http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/commit/?id=80f3cadae68e3367aad02f53e983512763728f76
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[5:24] <Corsac> the screen just switched off ????
[5:24] <Corsac> oh.
[5:24] <Corsac> I didn't know the git tree has been published :)
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[5:25] <Corsac> was there an announce somewhere?
[5:25] <koen> no
[5:26] <koen> gregoire mailed me the url but didn't tell me to keep it secret
[5:26] * Corsac git remote add
[5:26] <Corsac> hmhm, X kind-of doesn't start now :)
[5:26] <Corsac> (i love breaking my touchbook)
[5:26] <Corsac> (though the unionfs part helps in that)
[5:27] <Corsac> hmmh, though if it would stop trying to run X it'd be best
[5:27] <koen> I hope people will help with pulling that mega commit apart into smaller pieces (and fix them up) and apply those to OE
[5:28] <koen> once that's done we can build a "AIOS" from OE and be able to use the online feeds without breaking everything
[5:28] <Corsac> I don't know what you mean by ???breaking everything???
[5:28] <Corsac> :>>
[5:29] * Corsac opkg install libxrandr2 from command line
[5:31] * koen notes USER=ai is hardcoded in various recipes
[5:31] <Meizirkki> look at AI-daemon postinst :D
[5:32] <Corsac> mh, now keyboard doesn't do anything ????
[5:33] <koen> + sed -e 's#root::0:0:#root:*:0:0:#' -i /etc/passwd
[5:33] <Corsac> uhuh
[5:34] <Meizirkki> Whatever happened to http://innovatingtouch.com/ ?? O_o
[5:34] <koen> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/diff/recipes/ai-daemon/files/ai-daemon?id=80f3cadae68e3367aad02f53e983512763728f76
[5:34] <koen> interesting
[5:35] <koen> you can set the charging current
[5:40] <Stskeeps> battery explosions
[5:42] <koen> I should try to get some experimental patches from the battery dudes at work
[5:42] <koen> provided they actually have some
[5:43] * Corsac runs Terminal 0.4.2
[5:45] <DJWillis> Corsac: yep, thanks for the heads up on that, now setup that as the default for my xfce4.6 stuff
[5:45] <Corsac> hmhm, why is libxfcegui4 not named libxfcegui4-4 in my personnal stuff
[5:47] <Corsac> hmhm, and ai already prepared some 4.6 stuff, btw
[5:48] <DJWillis> Corsac: noticed that, would have been nice if they replied to my mail before I started on this ;-)
[5:51] <Corsac> yup
[5:51] <Corsac> I'm currently looking at the patches
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[5:55] <Corsac> DJWillis: btw, the 4.6 terminal recipe doesn't ship the glade file for preferences
[5:55] <DJWillis> Corsac: ping me a patch ;-)
[5:56] <Corsac> sure, once I'll know how to do it :)
[5:57] <DJWillis> Corsac: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2009-October/014280.html << That's the branch where I will keep my patches until they are merged or otherwise.
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[5:59] <Corsac> DJWillis: btw the correct casing is Xfce :)
[6:04] <Corsac> hmhm, how exactly are the files distributed into various packages?
[6:04] <Corsac> in bb recipes there's no control/install/rules/whatever files
[6:18] <koen> Corsac: control is autogenerated from the recipe and using objdump
[6:18] <koen> Corsac: you can tweak entries by setting RDEPENDS (Depends:), RRECOMMENDS (Recommends:), RPROVIDES, RREPLACES, etc
[6:19] <Corsac> yeah but in my case I want to tune installed files
[6:19] <Corsac> though I don't really know why it didn't install the glade file
[6:19] <koen> Corsac: FILES_${PN} += "<some path>"
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[6:19] <koen> e.g. FILES_${PN} += "${datadir}/Termininal/foo.glade"
[6:20] <Corsac> thanks
[6:20] <koen> Corsac: if you do "bitbake -b foo.bb -c package -f" you should see which files it didn't packages and if you go into tmp/work/armv7a/foo/install/ you'll see the package names as dirs with their contents
[6:22] <Corsac> I don't have install there, only temp
[6:28] <koen> did you use -f ?
[6:34] <Corsac> ha no, not yet
[6:34] <Corsac> ok :)
[6:35] <Corsac> if I want to use -c package -f I need to provide the complete .bb path, I guess?
[6:36] <koen> no, you only need to full path when using -b
[6:36] <koen> -b is "build only this, ignoring deps"
[6:36] <DJWillis> Corsac: find tmp/work/armv7a-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/xfce-terminal-0.4.2-r1/ can also be handy to work out what is installed but not in the image, I can see from my folder the a few files are missing, i'll sort all that out.
[6:36] <Corsac> NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:
[6:36] <Corsac> NOTE: /usr/share/Terminal/Terminal-toolbars.ui
[6:36] <Corsac> \o/
[6:37] <koen> FILES_${PN} += "${datadir}/Termininal/*.ui"
[6:37] <Corsac> Termininal? :)
[6:37] <koen> datadir/${PN} is packaged by default, but since we "renamed" Terminal to xfce-terminal we need to tell OE to package it
[6:37] <koen> heh
[6:37] * koen can't spell
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[6:47] <Corsac> DJWillis: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/touchbook/git/
[6:48] <Corsac> DJWillis: not exactly sure what's interesting, I started for the org.openembedded.dev then added the tarballs you gave me
[6:48] <Corsac> now I guess I should either pickup your branch from openpandora, or the ai one
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[6:50] <DJWillis> Corsac: i'll merge them into the op tree as that is based off mainline OE. Thanks for fixing up the themes.
[6:50] <koen> Corsac: oh, and generally when packaging changes we increase PR to alert the package manager that it's a new revision
[6:50] <Corsac> yeah, forgot about that because it was only private until I created the patches :/
[6:51] <Corsac> hmhm and I still don't know why the ai libxfcegui4 package is called libxfcegui4-4 and not ours
[6:51] <koen> Meizirkki: opkg install quake3-pandora-gles and add q3 wad files :)
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[6:52] <koen> Corsac: try adding 'inherit lib_package' and rebuild, that should clear out stray files confusing the OE renamer
[6:52] <Corsac> hmhm, the ai libxfcegui4_4.4.2.bb doesn't have that though
[6:53] <koen> maybe 4.6 installs something in /bin
[6:53] <Meizirkki> koen, hmm, i'm running Mer atm
[6:53] <DJWillis> Corsac: is taking a new version of exo over the one that is tied to 4.6.1 such a good idea? I don't mind, just curious
[6:53] <Corsac> DJWillis: there's no exo version tied to 4.6.1
[6:53] <Corsac> DJWillis: they stopped making common releases
[6:53] <Corsac> s/common/global/
[6:54] <Corsac> at one point there may be a 4.6.2, but in the meantime it's bettter to use the intermediate packages
[6:54] <Corsac> (exo has seen quite a lot of fixes)
[6:56] <DJWillis> Corsac: noted, okies, i'll take that in then.
[6:58] <Corsac> ./armv7a/libxfcegui4_4.6.1-r2.3_armv7a.ipk
[6:59] <Corsac> hmhm, inherit lib_package doesn't seem to work :/
[6:59] <koen> Corsac: you can do dpkg-deb -c ./armv7a/libxfcegui4_4.6.1-r2.3_armv7a.ipk to see the contents
[6:59] <koen> could you pastebin the output of that?
[6:59] <Corsac> dpkg --contents works fine
[6:59] <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/49889/
[7:00] <viridior> morning
[7:00] <koen> Corsac: ah right, it has 2 libs
[7:00] <Corsac> yes
[7:01] <koen> Corsac: try adding LEAD_SONAME = "libxfcegui4.so.4"
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[7:17] <DJWillis> Corsac: http://git.openpandora.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=openembedded.git;a=shortlog;h=xfce46-support has your patches in now.
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[7:19] <Corsac> hmhm, what's the clonable address? :)
[7:23] <DJWillis> Corsac: public clone should be git://git.openpandora.org
[7:23] <koen> DJWillis: you should really start to use git-am :)
[7:24] <DJWillis> koen: I should really start using lots of things but there is only so much room in my head.
[7:24] <koen> DJWillis: git-am does the 'patch ; git add ; git commit' all in one
[7:24] <koen> DJWillis: and it preserves authorship
[7:25] <DJWillis> koen: those patches from Corsac would not apply to my published tree anyway as they had been based on old patches I sent him.
[7:29] <Corsac> hmmh, display switched off from some reason
[7:30] <DJWillis> Corsac: the usual screenblank stuff that is in the stock image (Alt-F7 or something?)
[7:31] <Corsac> not sure
[7:32] <Corsac> but usually when the display switches off, moving the mouse or touching the touchpad wakes it up
[7:32] <Corsac> (Alt-F7 maximizes horizontally, in fact)
[7:33] <Corsac> hem
[7:33] <Corsac> increasing PR on libxfcegui4 makes it not build
[7:33] * Corsac is lost
[7:34] <DJWillis> Corsac: the rebuild showed up a missing depend I would guess, what's the error?
[7:36] <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/49891/
[7:36] <Corsac> I didn't change anything besides the r1->r2
[7:38] <DJWillis> Corsac: what does your recipe look like?
[7:41] <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/49893/
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[7:44] <Corsac> pff, I have way to many .ipk lying in my tmp/deploy folder
[7:44] <DJWillis> Corsac: there may be something off there to track down, just bumped the PR and built libxfcegui4.
[7:46] <Corsac> weird ><
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[7:49] <DJWillis> Corsac: just cleaning out and rebuilding all my Xfce stuff, i'll see if anything breaks and try and fix it.
[7:49] <Corsac> cleaning means rm -rf tmp/* ?
[7:51] <DJWillis> Corsac: bitbake -cclean and a list of recipies
[7:51] <Corsac> hmh ok
[7:52] <DJWillis> Corsac: http://paste.debian.net/49894/ ;-)
[7:52] <Corsac> will that clean dependencies too?
[7:52] <Corsac> (I really don't care about .ipk for all the system :/ )
[7:52] <DJWillis> Corsac: I suspect some order issue, nope, just the recipies on that line.
[7:52] <`Mace> wow. new zimbra is fail
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[8:04] <koen> if it fails it should point to a log with the error
[8:04] <koen> alternatively you can patch -D to bitbake to see it on screen
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[8:39] * koen wonders why the dude writing the touchbook erlang wiki isn't using the erlang from the feeds, but some random one downloaded from the net
[8:40] <koen> but then again, erlang
[8:41] <Corsac> erlang?
[8:41] <Corsac> touchbook erlang wiki?
[8:41] <Corsac> wtf/
[8:44] <Meizirkki> Are the EGL/GLES headers in /usr/include/ redistributable ?
[8:45] <koen> Meizirkki: they should be, but not all have the proper headers yet
[8:46] <Meizirkki> oki
[8:46] <koen> the .10 release should fix a few and the .11 release should have all fixed that the .10 one missed
[8:47] <Meizirkki> great
[8:52] <koen> note that some headers you need aren't even in the sdk currently
[8:52] <koen> again, the .10 release...
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[9:38] <viridior> having a lot of luck with xorg-server, et al... might have a -desktop release some time today for testing
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[9:44] <CanI2012> l
[9:45] <Meizirkki_> Not a pleasure to use yet, but interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7KO9z0-kg
[9:47] <viridior> nice Meiz
[9:48] <Meizirkki_> ty
[9:48] <CanI2012> Is it realy like on youtube?
[9:48] <Meizirkki_> Stskeeps helped me out
[9:48] <Meizirkki_> CanI2012, yes, there are tons of error messages in .xsession-errors
[9:49] <Meizirkki_> at least it works :)
[9:49] <CanI2012> is it a nice device (TB)?
[9:49] <Meizirkki_> yup
[9:49] <CanI2012> Or it's just a lot of OpenBugs :0))?
[9:49] <Meizirkki_> CanI2012, dude, that's not the original OS
[9:50] <Meizirkki_> that's just an experimental test
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[9:50] <CanI2012> I understood, I want a TouchBook, but I'm a litle bit affraide about the bugs in hardw..
[9:51] <CanI2012> I have any questions about TB, anyone can help me?
[9:51] <Meizirkki_> hw bugs..?
[9:51] <Meizirkki_> like you can't save the clock :P
[9:52] <CanI2012> non, hardware bugs, bad connections, battery problems, display (touch) probs....
[9:52] <Meizirkki_> touchscreen being inaccurate is sw bug
[9:53] <CanI2012> ok
[9:53] <Meizirkki_> battery problems?
[9:53] <CanI2012> Charging, authonomie
[9:53] <viridior> he means both batteries aren't being detected
[9:53] <Meizirkki_> k
[9:53] <CanI2012> is it realy about 10-15h?
[9:53] <viridior> ive charge both batteries fine
[9:53] <Meizirkki_> There's no powersave yet, therefore, no 10h
[9:54] <CanI2012> I had a look on bugs report... and after that, I'm afraide to buy one :0))
[9:55] <CanI2012> Did you try connect bluetooch, 3G usb, GPS?
[9:55] <viridior> BT works, ive tried that... not the others
[9:57] <CanI2012> is it a tactil zoom = like on iphones????
[9:57] <CanI2012> on the screen?
[9:57] <viridior> not with default OS
[9:58] <viridior> maybe with Mer or Android
[9:58] <viridior> im working to get wicd on Neuvoo, any other default apps anybody wants?
[10:01] <CanI2012> ok, merci- and abount usb-GPS, bluetooth and 3G?
[10:08] <tommd> Canl2012: You won't get the same zoom capability as on the iphone because, iirc, that takes multitouch (you draw your fingers together to zoom in). TB does not have a multitouch screen.
[10:09] <tommd> Canl2012: I don't understand what your last question is about, btw. What about GPS, bluetooth and 3G?
[10:09] <CanI2012> hmmm, thaks- in V2 maybe?...
[10:09] <tommd> I don't know of any v2 planning atm.
[10:10] <CanI2012> if you use a usb key- foe exemple GPS oe bluetooth to connect to another phone(with shared 3g connexions)
[10:10] <CanI2012> if it's work fine?
[10:10] <CanI2012> and if it's use too much battery?
[10:11] <tommd> I haven't used my bluetooth so don't know about that. I know there are a number of usb GPS devices that work though.
[10:11] <tommd> I hope to get one, but am not in a rush.
[10:12] <viridior> BT tethering shouldn't use much battery
[10:13] <mjr> basically most 3g sticks should probably work fine, unless there's USB power supply issues
[10:15] <CanI2012> ok, thanks guys
[10:16] <CanI2012> may I buy one or not now?
[10:16] <CanI2012> what do you think?
[10:17] <tommd> I'd get one now... but I'm a developer who's ok with beta software.
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[10:19] <CanI2012> I wana instal a light OS. like Arch, pupy.... when architecture will be suported... Ubuntu runs nice?
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[10:25] <viridior> CanI2012: those all only have x86/x86_64 suppport except Ubuntu... which does run, but needs some configuring
[10:25] <DJWillis> viridior: there is work on an ARM buildbase for Arch IIRC but it's in early stages.
[10:26] <viridior> if you want small and light then you have Angstrom or the default AIOS
[10:26] <viridior> DJWillis: i remember, didn't want to confuse
[10:26] <viridior> I have a command prompt image using Gentoo, working on a desktop now, but its not ready yet
[10:26] <DJWillis> viridior: no probs, but to be honest I agree, Angstrom/OE can be VERY light so that's no big deal ;-)
[10:27] <viridior> ;)
[10:27] <viridior> writing my desktop image to the sd card now, see how it boots :)
[10:28] <CanI2012> ARM ... gona be suported with a lot of distrib, if TouchBook's Hardware gonna be upgraded and not abandonded...
[10:29] <CanI2012> is it possible run windows emulators on TB?
[10:29] <viridior> not effectively
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[10:32] <viridior> CanI2012: im sure there will be people that try, but I would highly doubt anything will be available anytime soon
[10:33] <CanI2012> thanks!!!
[10:35] <viridior> best bet for Windows anything is just getting a copy of Windows Mobile
[10:36] <viridior> sort of on your own for driver support, there might be people out there working on them though
[10:38] <CanI2012> nice! Can you put a note between 0 and 10 to discribe BT? (0=bad - 10=very good)???
[10:40] <viridior> as far as devices working on what i tested, 10... as far as nice easy working default interace on AIOS, 3
[10:43] <shiznebit> heh
[10:44] * viridior booting neuvoo-0.2.0_pre1-desktop
[10:45] <DJWillis> Corsac: I am right in thinking that the lead SO for libxfcegui4 is libxfcegui4.so.4 and not the private one?
[10:52] <koen> DJWillis: LEAD_SO is only used to point debian.bbclass at the right lib for renaming
[10:57] <DJWillis> koen: I still thought it was considered good practice in OE to define it if there was more than one SO?
[11:03] <koen> only if you're going to use debian renaming on that package
[11:04] <koen> or if the message OE throws at you scares you
[11:06] <Corsac> DJWillis: yes
[11:06] <DJWillis> koen: well it works so the message does not scare me ;-), still, done it anyway.
[11:07] <DJWillis> Corsac: also picked up a few other issues with things like xfce-utils not packing up the freedesktop session file etc.
[11:08] <Corsac> cool, thanks
[11:08] <Corsac> 7072,67s real 7129,33s user 2138,61s system 131% bitbake task-xfce46-base
[11:08] <Corsac> from a clean start
[11:08] <Corsac> that's not too bad
[11:08] <CanI2012> and others guys, wahts youre note... 0-to-10???
[11:08] <DJWillis> Corsac: that said, I can't get libxfcegui4 to fail to build for me no matter what I do :(
[11:10] <viridior> neuvoo-0.2.0_pre1-desktop boots and xorg-server works
[11:10] <DJWillis> viridior: :)
[11:11] <viridior> thx, only took a year ;) using openbox atm
[11:12] <viridior> with some of our custom patches i was able to cross compile the entire system :)
[11:13] <CanI2012> is it laggy the touchscreen?
[11:13] <viridior> touchscreen works, needs some configuring
[11:13] <CanI2012> or fluid like iphone?
[11:14] <CanI2012> on youtube it seems laggy...
[11:14] <viridior> mine is unconfigured, it can be tuned pretty easily
[11:14] <CanI2012> may be sine, it's better
[11:16] <viridior> now to get it on the network :/
[11:17] <Corsac> hmhm, in fact
[11:17] <Corsac> ERROR: Build of /home/corsac/projects/touchbook/aios/openembedded/recipes/glibc/glibc_2.9.bb do_package failed
[11:17] <Corsac> that's why it only took 2h :/
[11:17] <DJWillis> Corsac: Doh!
[11:18] <koen> there should be a log
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[11:27] <mellum> okay so if I want to install something that's not there in the default install, say zsh, what's the best way to do it? Is there some kind of repository that works?
[11:32] <Corsac> sudo -s
[11:32] <Corsac> opkg update; opkg install zsh
[11:33] <Corsac> koen: that's again because of qemu not supporting vm.mmap_min_addr!=0
[11:33] <mellum> Corsac: cool, thanks
[11:34] <Corsac> did it work? :)
[11:35] <mellum> Corsac: uh oh, it wants to install a new libc,is that safe?
[11:36] <Corsac> not yet
[11:36] <Corsac> hmhm, maybe if python doesn't come it'll be ok though
[11:37] <koen> Corsac: you can add ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" to local.conf to get around that
[11:38] <Corsac> thanks
[11:38] <mellum> Corsac: so what happens if I install the new libc?
[11:46] <Corsac> mellum: it might break the connection
[11:46] <Corsac> I'm not sure if it requires a python upgrade or not, but you might be bitten by bug #26
[11:46] <Corsac> see http://bugzilla.alwaysinnovating.com/show_bug.cgi?id=26
[11:47] <Corsac> NOTE: Multiple libraries (libnss_nisplus.so.2, libnss_hesiod.so.2, libnss_nis.so.2) found, but LEAD_SONAME 'libc.so' doesn't match any of them
[11:47] <Corsac> this is a bit scary :)
[11:47] <Corsac> (though it seems normal since the soname is libc.so.6)
[11:48] <mellum> hrrm, looks like I just hosed the system. I ctrl-c'ed the libc install and now no comman works anymore
[11:49] <mellum> does the package manager first unlink all old files or what?
[11:49] <Corsac> hem, ctrl-c ing in the middle of a libc install doesn't exactly look wise :/
[11:49] <mellum> it was still just downloading
[11:50] <mellum> so I thought itd be safe
[11:50] <Corsac> oh
[11:50] <Corsac> then you should be fine
[11:50] <Corsac> anyway if you have problem you can still mount the sdcard in another box and remove files from the ext3 partition
[11:50] <mellum> anyway, with e.g. dpkg this couldn't happen
[11:50] <mellum> yeah, I guess that's what I'll have to do
[11:51] <Corsac> killing dpkg in the middle of a libc install isn't exactly recommended either, you know?
[11:51] <mellum> unfortunately, I do't have a card reader
[11:52] <mellum> well, it wouldn't leave the system without a libc, at least. Unless you hit a really really small window.
[11:53] <Corsac> your system is libc-less?
[11:53] <mellum> aparently, any command gives "command not found"
[11:54] <Corsac> that's not a libc problem
[11:54] <mellum> but?
[11:54] <Corsac> I don't know, but definitely not a libc problem
[11:54] <mellum> well, its what would happen if you rm /lib/libc.so
[11:54] <Corsac> (especially if you interrupted during the download stage)
[11:55] <Corsac> mellum: basic commands use busybox, which I think is statically linked
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[11:56] <mellum> hmm, weird
[11:56] <koen> it isn't
[11:56] <Corsac> ok
[11:56] <Govee> hi all
[11:56] <mellum> so ldd /bin/ls e.g. doesn't show it linked agains libc?
[11:57] <Corsac> ldd doesn't exist on the touchbook :)
[11:57] <tommd> dang
[11:57] <koen> opkg install ldd
[11:58] <Govee> I have been trying to load "TBuntu" but X does not start when I log in as ubuntu user. If I log in to terminal and run restart x it loads.
[11:59] <Govee> what do I need to do to get to start x at login?
[11:59] <Corsac> no idea
[11:59] <Corsac> report that on the page you downloaded tbuntu, maybe?
[11:59] <Corsac> Macer might have some help for you, too
[12:00] <Govee> ok. Im sure it just me as I havent seen anyone else reporting the same.
[12:00] <Meizirkki_> Govee, i don't exactly know what's wrong but you need t reinstall package called xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
[12:00] <mellum> what does echo /lib/libc* show on a working touchbook?
[12:00] <Meizirkki_> ah sorry
[12:00] <Meizirkki_> nevermind
[12:01] <Govee> will try
[12:01] <Meizirkki_> Govee, there have been some ppl reporting it, i was in a same situation once.. but that's because my SD was b0rked
[12:02] <Meizirkki_> Govee, after i reistalled on the original TB card it worked :)
[12:02] <Meizirkki_> good luck anyway :)
[12:02] <Corsac> funny, execve on /usr/bin/ldd replies -ENOENT
[12:02] <Govee> Mez, thanks I will try to relaod the package
[12:03] <Corsac> mellum:
[12:03] <Corsac> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1169748 Sep 10 16:55 /lib/libc-2.9.so
[12:03] <Corsac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Sep 29 07:34 /lib/libc.so -> /lib/libc.so.6
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[12:03] <Corsac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Oct 24 23:19 /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.9.so
[12:03] <Corsac> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38404 Sep 10 16:55 /lib/libcrypt-2.9.so
[12:03] <Corsac> (sorry for large paste)
[12:03] <Corsac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Oct 24 23:19 /lib/libcrypt.so.1 -> libcrypt-2.9.so
[12:03] <Corsac> but I've updated my libc
[12:04] <mellum> Corsac: I have only libc.so left. So apparently the package manager actually first deleted everything. That is... how can I say this... wrong.
[12:05] <Corsac> mellum: I think you didn't interupt it during download
[12:05] <mellum> Corsac: yeah, apparently... it didn't show any "unpacking" message or so, though.
[12:05] <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/49921/ for the asked ldd
[12:07] <mellum> well my web browser just crashed and I cannot start it again, so I cannot look :)
[12:08] <Corsac> basically you're kind-of hosed at that point
[12:08] <Corsac> not exactly sure what you could do
[12:08] <Corsac> best bet is to try to get an sdcard reader
[12:09] <mellum> yep
[12:09] <Corsac> and cleanup the ext3 part
[12:09] <Corsac> not sure you can boot without the unionfs stuff
[12:09] <Corsac> that'd be convenient but I dont know how to do that
[12:10] <mellum> I guess I'll just reinstall the OS image
[12:10] <mellum> Are there any interesting alternative OS images yet?
[12:11] <tommd> Would you like an L4 OS?
[12:13] <CanI2012> whitch class SD reader has teh TB=?
[12:13] <CanI2012> What's the max capacity of SD cards?
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[12:14] <viridior> CanI2012: it has SDHC onboard, so 32GB?
[12:17] <CanI2012> max 32Gb... ok
[12:17] <CanI2012> class 10
[12:17] <CanI2012> class 6..
[12:17] <jtigermi> hey there--my ai acct. somehow lost write permissions in the main file system--I have open file permission as root (of course) so can open apps from the terminal with sudo but can't get open file permissions for any apps as ai--Mousepad, Abiword and GIMP. Any suggestions??
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[12:21] <Corsac> jtigermi: fix them with chmod?
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[12:24] <jtigermi> I'm not sure how to use chmod to add write permissions for the file system--I could change permissions for already existing files, of course, but I can't save new files from those programs (low-intermediate Linux user here)
[12:29] <DJWillis> Corsac: just pushed up the small patches I worked on this afternoon to the xfce46-support branch.
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[12:41] <shiznebit> jtigermi, though its a bad idea from a security stand point, you can chmod 777 the entire /Document/ folder
[12:44] <hyc> better to chown it to ai first
[12:44] <hyc> and hen just chmod 755
[12:44] <shiznebit> that works too :P
[12:45] <Corsac> DJWillis: cool
[12:46] <jtigermi> thanks ;-) I'm really using this to learn on--I just now tried chmod -R go+rw /home/ai from root and was denied permission on .gvfs but otherwise it all works now
[12:46] <jtigermi> but better to chown?
[12:47] <jtigermi> I appreciate the help--anthropologist learning linux/programming here
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[13:29] <viridior> running fluxbox on Neuvoo-0.2.0-desktop. 37MB ram, 1.6% cpu
[13:35] <tommd> yay! My keyboard is in town so I should see it tomorrow.
[13:41] <Managu_tb> pretty good numbers, viridior. What platform, qemu?
[13:44] <Managu_tb> getting matchbox up on my TB seemed to reqire something like 44mb. 'course, that included dbus and hald
[13:52] <viridior> Managu_tb: nope, thats on my TB
[13:52] <Managu_tb> viridior: cool. omapfb?
[13:52] <viridior> yep
[13:53] <viridior> using AIOS kernel
[13:53] <Managu_tb> hrmm. Have to take a look at it if/once you post it. My experience so far has been that the X omapfb driver doesn't work that great on the TB
[13:54] <shiznebit> viridior, wow nice
[13:55] <shiznebit> viridior, have a link up
[13:55] <viridior> still putting some packages in the tarball, ill have it up tonight
[13:55] <viridior> its still very spartan, no real packages installed yet
[13:56] <viridior> just fluxbox and xterm atm
[13:56] <shiznebit> well so far it looks very good
[13:56] <viridior> a lot of support tools though
[13:56] <viridior> wpa_supplicant, wireless-tools etc
[13:56] <shiznebit> :)
[13:57] <viridior> natively compiling now to test
[13:58] * viridior really needs to get networking up...
[14:12] <Corsac> mpf, new sdcard doesn't boot either :/
[14:17] <hyc> Managu_tb: what's wrong with the omapfb driver?
[14:17] <hyc> seems to work fine to me
[14:18] <Managu_tb> hyc: fills only half of the screen, and seems to overwrite itself. I think Macer(?) posted a photo on irc the other day, lemme see if I can track it down
[14:19] <hyc> oh? well the AIOS obviously uses omapfb and boots up with the full screen displayd, not just half
[14:19] <Managu_tb> the kernel omapfb is fine; it's the X omapfb driver that I'm talking about.
[14:20] <Managu_tb> AIOS uses fbdev for it's X driver
[14:20] <hyc> hm... ok
[14:20] <Managu_tb> From the IRC log [6:16] <Meizirkki> Does anyone have ideas regarding this: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5394624673695562114
[14:20] <Corsac> viridior: could you fdisk -l the sdcard on which you installed neuvoo?
[14:21] <Managu_tb> hyc: point being that fbdev isn't accelerated at all
[14:21] <hyc> pretty cute. are those colors correct or not? Seems like it's got the wrong bits-per-plane setting
[14:21] <hyc> I saw similar effects trying to use omapfbplay
[14:21] <hyc> and the colors were also distorted because of the wrong bpp
[14:22] <Managu_tb> the discoloration is a photograph artifact. When I ran an OE image with xf86-video-omapfb, I got similar results. Actual color is fine
[14:23] <hyc> should be pretty simple to find this problem. maybe the omapfb code is assuming a hardcoded screen depth
[14:23] <hyc> the hardware is capable of 24/32 bpp but TB only uses 16bpp
[14:23] <hyc> configuring it for 32bpp would give pretty much this result.
[14:24] <hyc> i.e., configuring the omapfb driver for 32bpp when the hardware has been set for 16bpp
[14:24] <Managu_tb> Can't argue that hypothesis. Lemme see if I can't at least get together a XOrg.0.log
[14:25] <Managu_tb> might take a bit. Wireless is really flaky for me, so it's gonna be some sneakernetting
[14:26] <hyc> yeah, the wifi seems to be somewhat sensitive to interference
[14:27] <hyc> I had my router set in mixed B/G mode and was getting crappy performance
[14:27] <hyc> set it to G-only and things improved
[14:27] <Managu_tb> and I live in an apartment complex, to top that off. My desktop's wireless can be flaky at times
[14:27] <hyc> but it still takes a dive every now and then
[14:27] <hyc> I have quite a bit of interference from neighbors' networks...
[14:28] <hyc> but I'm also now using the rt3070 driver from the 2.6.32 kernel tree, it seems to be slightly better
[14:30] <Managu_tb> ahh. I've been kinda hesitant to mess too much with the kernel. Not being real familiar with OE/bitbake and all
[14:36] <Corsac> ok, I'm lost
[14:38] <Managu_tb> Xorg log for driver omap3: http://paste2.org/p/484207
[14:40] <Managu_tb> err driver "omapfb"
[14:42] <Managu_tb> By way of comparison, the log for "fbdev": http://paste2.org/p/484212
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[14:52] <hyc> Managu_tb: nothing obvious...
[14:52] <hyc> I wonder what modeline equivalent the omapfb driver set
[14:52] <Managu_tb> yup, same conclusion I drew
[14:54] <hyc> what acceleration does this driver offer, anyway?
[14:54] <Managu_tb> I tried adapting the modeline from fbdev into the xorg.conf file for omapfb, but it had no effect
[14:55] <hyc> and I wonder what's this /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/ctrl/name file it's looking for
[14:55] <hyc> I guess it's for an external LCD controller
[14:55] <Managu_tb> hyc: From the log, all I see is XVideo
[14:55] <hyc> well, XVideo is kinda pointless since mplayer and gstreamer already have omapfb drivers
[14:57] <Managu_tb> I suppose the answer is "I don't know". Reading talks about something called "NEON"
[14:58] <hyc> in this context, pretty sure NEON refers to the ARM vector floating point support
[15:01] <Managu_tb> fair enough then. Have experience building OE, hyc? I couldn't get any of the dsp stuff (particularly, gstreamer-ti) to build
[15:01] <hyc> I've built all of that successfully, yes
[15:01] <hyc> but my build system is dead at the moment
[15:02] <hyc> what errors are you running into?
[15:02] <Managu_tb> Build cleanly from git for you, or'd you have to make many changes?
[15:02] <hyc> I made several changes, but I emailed them back to oe-devel so presumably they're incorporated already
[15:03] <Corsac> sources are available now
[15:03] <Corsac> btew
[15:03] <Corsac> btw*
[15:03] <hyc> what sources, Corsac?
[15:03] <Corsac> http://git.alwaysinnovating.com/cgit.cgi/ai.openembedded.dev/
[15:03] <hyc> ah, cool
[15:03] <hyc> is it a full tree or just an overlay?
[15:04] <Corsac> full
[15:04] <Corsac> I think so
[15:05] <Corsac> I'm not very familiar with OE stuff
[15:05] <Guest18615> OE=OpenEmbedded?
[15:05] <Managu_tb> toolchain issues. Most recently... "make[2]: /omap3530/arm-2008q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: Command not found" building ti-dsplink-module
[15:05] <Corsac> yup
[15:06] <hyc> odd, the oe recipes ought to take care of that
[15:06] <Managu_tb> on the whole, the recipes for the TI stuff seem to be a bit off
[15:06] <hyc> yeah, true
[15:06] <hyc> the TI code in general is a bit off...
[15:07] <Managu_tb> before that there was... some problem with bitbake not being being able to find gmake in the TI build tools
[15:08] <Managu_tb> (and the error I posted might have been because I changed the recipe to use my system's native 'make' instead of its custom 'gmake')
[15:16] <viridior> Corsac: what do you need?
[15:16] <Corsac> viridior: fdisk -l for the sdcard where you installed neuvoo
[15:16] <Corsac> viridior: I can't understand why any sdcard I create doesn't boot
[15:16] <viridior> ok
[15:16] <viridior> one sec
[15:16] <hyc> Managu_tb: unfortunately I can't access my build tree and see how mine was setup
[15:17] <Corsac> I correctly set the sectors/heads, create partition, activate it, copy the files on the vfat one
[15:17] <Corsac> and still, nothing
[15:17] <hyc> but I know that I just rebuilt it recently, just before the machine died
[15:18] <hyc> Corsac: the mlo has to be copied first, did you copy in the right order?
[15:18] <Managu_tb> Corsac: probably way off.. but did you start from a newly formated FS, and copy the files onto it in order: mlo, u-boot.bin, kernel?
[15:18] <viridior> Corsac: http://dpaste.com/111913/
[15:19] <Corsac> hmhm, I'm gonna check for the order
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[15:23] <Guest18615> Why would the order matter?
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[15:24] <hyc> the firmware bootloader is very dumb
[15:24] <hyc> it only looks for the first file in the directory
[15:24] <hyc> and probably can only load from like the first 256 sectors
[15:24] <Corsac> Oct 25 23:25:42 hidalgo kernel: [760523.412908] FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[15:24] <Corsac> that doesn't really look fine either
[15:24] <Guest18615> Ok.
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[15:34] <Corsac> mpf, still nothing
[15:37] <Managu_tb> Corsac: hrmm. Using the AI version of mlo, u-boot.bin, uImage?
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[15:45] <mjr> that kernel warning is a bit counterproductive as any other iocharset sucks more
[15:45] <mjr> the case sensitivity thing should probably be fixed
[15:46] <viridior> Corsac: when you populate /dev/mmcblk0p1 make sure you put mlo on first, then u-boot.bin and uImage
[15:47] <mjr> (though IMAO that's not a real big deal, but might hinder interoperability if you actually do create filenames only differing in case)
[15:58] <Corsac> viridior: yes I did that
[15:58] <Corsac> still doesn't work :/
[15:59] <Corsac> ls -i /mnt
[15:59] <Corsac> total 3,2M
[15:59] <Corsac> 1762 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20K sept. 30 11:30 mlo
[15:59] <Corsac> 1763 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 250K sept. 30 17:22 u-boot.bin
[15:59] <Corsac> 1764 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3,0M sept. 30 17:23 uImage
[15:59] <Corsac> 1762 :?
[16:01] <viridior> i have a sdcard that doesn't work either, but i bought 3 others that did
[16:01] <shiznebit> Corsac, did you try dd'ing the AIOS image ?
[16:07] <hyc> Corsac: inodes? The boot partition has to be FAT32
[16:07] <hyc> not ext2
[16:08] <hyc> and what's with the datestamps, the clock on whatever computer you used to write them is broken :P
[16:08] <Corsac> hyc: ls -i still displays inode number
[16:08] <Corsac> hyc: I use cp -a
[16:09] <hyc> yes, but FAT32 doesn't preserve Unix mode bits. You're showing 755 there.
[16:09] <Corsac> which updates timestamps using the original file timestamp
[16:09] <viridior> ill be uploading neuvoo-desktop here shortly, its very alpha, but xorg w/ fluxbox works... ill be adding packages all next week
[16:09] <Corsac> so?
[16:09] <Corsac> (anyway I'm off :/ )
[16:09] <Corsac> ta
[16:09] <hyc> so it seems to me that you're not actually using fat32
[16:09] <hyc> and fat32 is the only filesystem type that will work
[16:10] <mjr> the mode bits are all the same, thus no evidence that they're not just a generic mount umask thing
[16:11] <hyc> hmm, ok
[16:12] <shiznebit> viridior, sounds good
[16:12] <shiznebit> Corsac, whats the hex id of the partition
[16:12] <hyc> hexid doesn't matter
[16:12] <shiznebit> hyc, it did when i tried to boot the ubuntu image
[16:13] <shiznebit> i always set it to c
[16:13] <shiznebit> never would work
[16:13] <shiznebit> set it to b and the thing ran fine
[16:14] <hyc> hm, mebbe a difference between LBA and CHS then
[16:14] <hyc> which is also why you must set the SD card geometry
[16:14] <hyc> I think all mine are 83
[16:15] <hyc> but I don't have it handy to check at the moment
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[16:49] <mrwoo1> there's been talking in the forums about setting up dev environments. but does anybody know what kind of dev environment the people at always innovating are using?
[16:49] <hyc> yes
[16:49] <hyc> they use OE/bitbake
[16:49] <mrwoo1> ok, so the stuff in the forums/wiki is pretty much the same thing they're using
[16:50] <hyc> that's why that's what is all over the forums/wiki...
[16:50] <mrwoo1> that makes sense
[16:52] <mrwoo1> i'm a little unclear how to test anything you compile with bitbake
[16:52] <viridior> guys, im about to call it a night... uploading the -desktop image now, ill work on it a bit more tomorrow
[16:53] <shiznebit> viridior, well have a restfull night
[16:53] <mrwoo1> say I wrote a program and compiled it with bitbake, how do I run it and make sure it runs as I thought it would
[16:53] <mrwoo1> c ya viridior
[16:53] <shiznebit> where are you uploading it to ?
[16:53] <viridior> ill drop the link when its done ;)
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[16:53] <hyc> mrwool: the end result is an ipk package
[16:54] <hyc> you copy that to your TB
[16:54] <mrwoo1> ok, cool
[16:54] <mrwoo1> yea
[16:54] <mrwoo1> then just install the package and try it out
[16:54] <mrwoo1> got it
[16:54] <hyc> or you point your TB at your build machine and configure it as a repo
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[16:54] <mrwoo1> oh wow, that's really cool
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[16:54] <mrwoo1> i never would've thought of tht
[16:55] <hyc> either way, same deal.
[16:56] <mrwoo1> my current goal is to see if I can make pidgin package with aim support
[16:59] <viridior> http://neuvoo.org/wiki/index.php?title=Pre-built_Images/0.2.0/desktop
[17:01] <viridior> very alpha, ill be around tomorrow for comments
[17:01] <viridior> night
[17:05] <shiznebit> night
[17:05] <mrwoo1> night
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[22:14] <geist> ... wow
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[23:49] <Corsac> hyc: it's definitely vfat (mkfs.vfat -F32, like the install-sd script)
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