#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-21

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[0:01] <Meizirkki> works randomly
[0:01] <Meizirkki> Macer, should work in the Kubuntu image as /etc/Wireless is there
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[0:02] <Stskeeps> right, first TB kernel build rolling on OBS
[0:03] * Meizirkki goes watch
[0:03] <Stskeeps> Macer: no idae, we can enable it at some point
[0:03] <Stskeeps> why on earth was it disabled anyhow..
[0:04] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv5el&package=kernel&project=Maemo%3AMer%3ADevel%3AHW%3ATouchBook%3ADevel&repository=MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04
[0:04] <Meizirkki> ty
[0:04] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, AIOS kernel doesn't even have IP multicasting
[0:05] <Stskeeps> curse of embedded developers
[0:05] <Corsac> yup
[0:06] <Corsac> 6MB/s is not really fast
[0:06] <Meizirkki> They have (or had) all the sources of their messy code in /usr/bin/ai/ i don't think they are trying to save a lot of space :P
[0:06] <Corsac> especially when you have 8GB
[0:06] <Corsac> urf
[0:06] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: oh, should show that somewhere
[0:06] <Corsac> yurk
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[0:07] <Corsac> I have an adaptor microsd/minisd/sd/usb which is quite handy
[0:07] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, they were ther in 09.b, dunno if they still are
[0:08] <Corsac> but quite slow too, I guess
[0:09] <Corsac> same here :)
[0:09] <Corsac> yeah
[0:09] <Corsac> n900 uses microsd?
[0:09] <Corsac> or sd?
[0:09] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, yes, the .c files are there, as well as the python scripts
[0:10] <Meizirkki> i tried 2 days ago
[0:10] <Meizirkki> modules got built
[0:10] <Meizirkki> but the uImage was harder
[0:11] <Meizirkki> yup
[0:11] <Meizirkki> dspbridge didn't like me
[0:11] <Corsac> you build a linux-omap tree one?
[0:11] <Meizirkki> after i removed it ext2fs started whining
[0:11] <Corsac> or a mainline?
[0:11] <Meizirkki> haha, i applied AI pathes to Ubuntu Beagle kernel and tried to build that :D
[0:12] <Corsac> aha
[0:13] <Meizirkki> yes i think
[0:13] <Meizirkki> i haven't found a non-working part yet
[0:14] <Meizirkki> hmm, 7% of the bottom battery left after overnight charge and 1 hour use.. -.-
[0:14] <Corsac> I have to admit the touchscreen is not really sensitive in AIOS
[0:14] <Corsac> (nor the touchpad, for that matter)
[0:15] <Meizirkki> Macer, i only see the bottom battery correctly, but that's the case in AIOS too..
[0:16] <Meizirkki> Macer, firmware and modules are ther in the Kubuntu image :)
[0:16] <Corsac> yeah, but alexandre told me that the top battery reporting wasn't really reliable atm
[0:16] <Corsac> (which we already know, but he confirmed)
[0:16] <Corsac> the /sys files aren't exactly accurate
[0:16] <Corsac> so there's no way userland can do anything
[0:16] <Meizirkki> yup
[0:17] <Meizirkki> mm?
[0:18] <Corsac> 16G of data?
[0:18] <Corsac> on your 8G sdcard? :)
[0:23] <Corsac> fat16 is the initial fat
[0:24] <Corsac> well, not completely the first one, but the one people used before vfat/fat32
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[0:49] <Meiz_TB> sudo rm -rf / lol
[0:49] <jvs> when is late october?
[0:49] <jvs> early december?
[0:49] <Meiz_TB> jvs, yes
[0:50] <jvs> 2010?
[0:50] <Meiz_TB> jvs, gregoire is building these thing the whole moth :P
[0:50] <Meiz_TB> jvs, hand-made in U.S. ;D
[0:51] <jvs> heh
[0:52] <jvs> that goes with my adidas shoes and nike t-shirts
[0:52] <jvs> handmade in vietnam and bangladesh
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[1:04] <Meiz_TB> an hour ago, powerdevil showed 7% of battery left, now it shows 6%
[1:04] <Meiz_TB> nice
[1:04] <Meiz_TB> the first hour it dropped fromm 100 to 7
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[1:10] <oly> I know this is probably asked a lot but i ordered my touchbook back in june for delivery to uk, is there still a large back log or should i have heard something by now ?
[1:11] <Meiz_TB> oly, you should get a message at the end of this month or early Nov
[1:13] <oly> okay, cheers for that info, i kind of got the impression i should be getting one around now from the website, but no new news has been posted this month
[1:13] <oly> but there probably to busy sorting out the back log :p
[1:30] <Corsac> qemu is slow as hell, mpf.
[1:31] <Meizirkki> Macer, they have halevt to do some automounts & stuff
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[1:48] <DJWillis> oly: you got a UK order ok'ed?
[1:49] <oly> DJWillis, i got a reply email saying that order was placed
[1:49] <oly> no money has been taken out or anything
[1:49] <DJWillis> oly: cool, good to know they are now sending them over to the UK now, well at least now taking UK orders.
[1:49] <oly> they have been taking international order for some time now
[1:50] <oly> it was back around june when i placed mine just after the international orders where allowed
[1:50] <DJWillis> oly: yep, I had issues getting an international order early on but I had not heard that UK was all ok and, well, your the 1st person in the UK I know who has ordered one ;-)
[1:51] <oly> okay :p
[1:51] * Meiz__TB is now known as Meiz_TB
[1:52] * oly is now hoping that his order is all fine :p
[1:52] <oly> i am sure i would not have been able to make the order if there was an issue
[1:52] <oly> my only concern is the import duty and how much its going to be
[1:58] <oly> I am also looking forward to integrating my gps applet into the touchbook interface somehow, so i can do some open streemaps mapping
[2:02] <DJWillis> oly: sounds like you have some cool ideas, yep, I am sure the order will be fine, import may be a bitch but with the Royal Fail as it is at the moment you may get lucky.
[2:04] <oly> could do, not sure about cool idea its juat a gnome applet at present which you click to start recording and click again to stop recording then just upload the resulting file to open street map, does a bit more that that but supposed to be simple
[2:05] <oly> currently using it on an eeepc but wrote it with intention of using it on touchbook
[2:07] <DJWillis> oly: cool really
[2:10] <DJWillis> oly: used non x86 devices for this sort of stuff before?
[2:10] <oly> well will probably develop it further when i get my touchbook, busy developing a server manager interface currently :p
[2:10] <Corsac> oly: for the record, I didn't paid any customs
[2:10] <Corsac> (in France)
[2:10] <mjr> ah, activity; recap: can one regulate the charging current in software? ie. cap it to charge (slowly) from a flimsier (mobile) charger?
[2:11] <DJWillis> Corsac: lucky :-o, very nice.
[2:11] <oly> nope only done x86, development so far
[2:11] <Corsac> maybe that's because they know Gr??goire is french so it's not really an import
[2:11] <Corsac> ;p
[2:11] <oly> Corsac, that is luck dont suppose i will get away with it over here
[2:12] <Corsac> yup
[2:14] <DJWillis> oly: we have MountUnplesent customs, they seem to love to stick duty on things :(
[2:16] <oly> yep, its crap
[2:18] <DJWillis> oly: And then the ??13 from Royal Mail on top :(. Still, have you worked out the worst case? How much was shipping? $40?
[2:19] <DJWillis> Macer: about 4-5mins in my experance ;-)
[2:20] <DJWillis> Macer: just feels like 4 weeks
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[2:24] <Meizirkki> how far do you get?
[2:25] <Meizirkki> :(
[2:25] <Meizirkki> i'm gonna unpack my own image and see i get the same
[2:28] <Meizirkki> not missin anything i think
[2:29] <Meizirkki> lemme unpack my own crap and see if i get same errors
[2:36] * Meizirkki installs ai-daemon in ubuntu
[2:42] <DJWillis> Macer: is there still a current Beagle one?
[2:42] <oly> DJWillis, nope not worked it out i guess will find out soon enough :p
[2:42] <DJWillis> ;-)
[2:42] <Meizirkki> Macer, grab 0.16
[2:43] <Meizirkki> smartq5
[2:43] <Meizirkki> O_o
[2:44] <Meizirkki> Macer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.16
[2:44] <Meizirkki> grab the rootfs for SmartQ5
[2:46] <Meizirkki> yup
[2:54] <dpb> I can't use ai-daemon as-is in my ubuntu... it does stuff I don't want it to do
[2:56] <Meizirkki> i have modified it a bit
[2:56] <Meizirkki> wtf, lshal | grep batter says it's still 6 % O_o
[2:57] <Meizirkki> it has been 6 % for 2 hours now
[2:58] <dpb> Meizirkki: does your clock stay during reboot?
[2:59] <Meizirkki> no
[2:59] <Meizirkki> dunno if this hardware saves it anywhere
[2:59] <dpb> probably not
[2:59] <Meizirkki> (is able to save)
[2:59] <dpb> I wonder how TBOS does it..
[3:00] <Meizirkki> it runs a script which sets the clock after connection
[3:01] <Meizirkki> And it probably always sets it to californian time
[3:01] <Meizirkki> -.-
[3:01] <Meizirkki> fixed what?
[3:01] <Meizirkki> ah
[3:01] <Meizirkki> yes
[3:06] <Corsac> I think you should do a copy of the vfat partition from the AIOS
[3:06] <Corsac> to the same one on your ubuntu
[3:06] <DJWillis> Macer: I can't see that you will need u-boot.bin in /boot on the image (or anything really) as the kernel uimage will start from FAT and be in memory before it gets that far (unless you have configured u-boot to read the kernel off EXT)
[3:06] <Corsac> plus, copy the module files in /lib in the ext3 partition
[3:08] <Corsac> then i'm afraid I can't help you, I've not reached that step yet
[3:08] <DJWillis> Macer: well assuming you have xload and uboot in NAND you will just need a boot.scr to ge it all going (I would hope, speaking from Pandora/Beagle/OMAPEVM etc.)
[3:09] <Meizirkki> Macer, u-boot.bin and mlo in FAT
[3:09] <Meizirkki> they don't need to be in the /boot dir
[3:09] <Stskeeps> Macer: check if your whateverosyouuse mounted the SD / partition 'nodev'
[3:09] <Stskeeps> automounting is evil
[3:10] <DJWillis> Macer: if it is booting from the SD (i.e. needs MLO on the SD) then make sure your have the boot flag set for the FAT volume and DOS compatibility set.
[3:10] <Meizirkki> Macer, white screen means your card isn't 63/255, there's no bootflag or you don't have all the files in the fat
[3:11] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: that would be my take also.
[3:11] <Meizirkki> yup
[3:12] <Meizirkki> Macer, KDE image unpacking, we'll soon see if it fails here too
[3:14] <DJWillis> Macer: well that's good ;-)
[3:15] <DJWillis> Macer: so just a chance for it to bork on the GUI side, if not your looking good.
[3:16] <Stskeeps> yeah
[3:16] <Stskeeps> we'll have a proper image soon enough
[3:17] * Macer waits for it....
[3:19] * andrewgodwin sits back and waits for all the kinks to be worked out
[3:20] <andrewgodwin> I had kubuntu booting yesterday, but KDE wouldn't load
[3:20] <Corsac> kubuntu without kde is nice
[3:20] <Corsac> it'd be even better without ubuntu
[3:20] <Corsac> :>
[3:26] <Corsac> try ifconfig instead of ifconfnig
[3:26] * Corsac hides
[3:27] <Meizirkki> Macer, That's what happened before i copied /etc/Wireless
[3:28] <dpb> yes
[3:28] <DJWillis> Macer: why not shove a USB card reader in the TB for copies off the stock SD?
[3:28] <Meizirkki> i thought i had it copied..
[3:29] <Meizirkki> nah, i didn't
[3:31] <Meizirkki> 2nd i think
[3:34] * Macer stares at it
[3:35] <Meizirkki> Macer, yes my image is b0rked
[3:36] <Meizirkki> I'm gonna create another
[3:45] <Meizirkki> Macer, i'm gonna make an LXDE image. you can install kde later, ok?
[3:46] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: let us know how LXDE is speed wise, been meaning to play with that on the Pandora (and get the newer versions into OE)
[3:46] <Meizirkki> i'm using it atm
[3:46] <Meizirkki> only 71 of RAM used (i have pcmanfm and lxterminal open)
[3:47] <koen> that's about 40MB more than with e17 :)
[3:48] <DJWillis> koen: how do you get E17 lite? It seems to just eat ram on the Pandora, that is why I am no fan of it, seems really flaky when I try it (every few weeks).
[3:48] <Meizirkki> koen, really?
[3:49] <Meizirkki> koen, i'm building e17 for ubuntu armel atm.
[3:49] <koen> Meizirkki: yes, really
[3:49] <koen> DJWillis: I just use the angstrom config, works quite well
[3:49] <koen> DJWillis: we used to have a memleak in X, though, unrelated to e17
[3:51] <DJWillis> koen: yep, I use the same config you use in the Beagle demo images, odd, yep, I noticed that the leak is not in the latest versions of X built in OE.dev.
[3:51] <DJWillis> X leak that is, can't work out E17
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[4:09] <Meizirkki> Macer, apt-get install kde-minimal | kde-standard | kde-full :P
[4:10] <Meizirkki> yup, kdegames kdemultimedia everything.. near a gigabyte
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[4:50] <Meizirkki> sudo iwconfig essid fosus does nothing :/
[4:50] <Meizirkki> how could i connect?
[4:51] <Meizirkki> + ra0
[4:52] <Meizirkki> sudo iwconfig ra0 ap <mac-address> doesn't work either
[4:52] <Meizirkki> ..
[4:53] <Meizirkki> enough trys worked,,
[4:53] <Meizirkki> sudo iwconfig ra0 ap <mac-address> 10 times in a row worked haha
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[4:55] <Meizirkki> *sigh* gdm fails...
[4:56] <Corsac> hmhm, seems that fdisk doesn't really write the new parameters
[4:56] <Corsac> or maybe one have to delete the partition table completely?
[4:57] <Meizirkki> Macer, yup
[4:58] <Meizirkki> it's made, i just need to get a working display manager..
[4:58] <Corsac> no
[4:58] <Corsac> on other computer
[4:59] <Corsac> 246 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1020 cylinders
[4:59] <Corsac> grmbl
[4:59] <Corsac> that'd suck
[5:00] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: what fails, GDM>PAM>Login or GDM all together?
[5:00] * Corsac tries in cfdisk
[5:02] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, GDM coes come up, up when i press the user, it doesn't bring up the password field and there's no sessions in the menu..
[5:11] <Corsac> mpf, even with 63/255, bootable vfat, I guess the white to dark screen and nothing then
[5:11] <Corsac> s/guess/get/
[5:18] <Meizirkki> mlo, u-boot.bin and uImage surely inthe fat? :)
[5:18] <Corsac> yes
[5:18] <Meizirkki> is the fat partition type W95something?
[5:18] <Meizirkki> if it's linux won't boot
[5:18] <Corsac> /dev/sdb1 * 1 5 40162 b W95 FAT32
[5:20] <Meizirkki> k
[5:20] <Meizirkki> good luck with it :)
[5:20] <Corsac> ?
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[5:23] <Meizirkki> It's no fun when something doesn't work
[5:23] * Meizirkki gives Corsac a cup of coffee
[5:23] <Corsac> Macer: how did you manage in the end?
[5:23] <Corsac> I guess the kernel isn't even loaded so it's not an os problem
[5:24] <Corsac> I've use the files from the aios initial part so I guess they should be ok
[5:24] <Meizirkki> white screen means u-boot can
[5:24] <Meizirkki> 't be started for some reason
[5:24] <Corsac> well, it's the white through blakc one
[5:24] <Meizirkki> i think
[5:24] <Corsac> black*
[5:25] <Meizirkki> when the ai-logo comes up, u-boot is loaded
[5:25] <Meizirkki> Are you trying to get debian running btw?
[5:25] <Corsac> yes
[5:25] <Corsac> no ai-logo
[5:25] <Meizirkki> Post pics when it runs :)
[5:25] <Corsac> sure
[5:25] <Corsac> file /media/disk/*
[5:25] <Corsac> /media/disk/mlo: data
[5:25] <Corsac> /media/disk/u-boot.bin: data
[5:25] <Corsac> /media/disk/uImage: u-boot/PPCBoot image
[5:28] <Corsac> hmhm, now it's black screen only
[5:28] <Corsac> few blue lines on top when I press the button, but that's it
[5:28] <Corsac> ><
[5:33] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i got it working following there isntructions
[5:34] <Corsac> ?
[5:34] <Corsac> U-boots loads the kernel which does an aufs between the squashfs second partition and an ext3 fourth partition to create /. there is no initramfs, the kernel has been directly patched to create this.
[5:34] <Corsac> maybe that's the problewm, but then ubuntu wouldn't boot either
[5:34] <Corsac> my layout is:
[5:34] <Meizirkki> http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/wiki/LinuxBootDiskFormat
[5:35] <Meizirkki> sry, almost forgot the URL :D
[5:35] <Corsac> http://paste.debian.net/49635/
[5:36] <Meizirkki> strange that doesn't work..
[5:36] <Corsac> ha, maybe a problem with cylinders number
[5:36] <Meizirkki> fdisk should set cyclinders automatically tough
[5:37] <Corsac> hmhm
[5:37] <Corsac> I might get it
[5:37] <Corsac> I did a mkfs.vfat
[5:37] <Corsac> while it doesn mkfs.mdsos
[5:37] <Corsac> msdos
[5:37] <Corsac> that may very well be it
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[5:38] <Corsac> hmhm no, not enough :/
[5:39] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: can you not use XorA's little script for the disk layout so you get the same results time after time.
[5:41] <Meizirkki> ?
[5:41] <Meizirkki> Who's XorA.
[5:41] <Corsac> grmlblmb
[5:41] <Corsac> still no ai logo
[5:43] * Meizirkki 's brains aren't smart enough to find anything that could still be wrong
[5:44] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: http://www.xora.org.uk/ << Graeme Gregory - One of the main Angstrom/OE devs and an OMAP3 hacker. Some handy scripts there.
[5:45] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, ty
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[6:10] <Corsac> Meizirkki: you have no squashfs at all in either partition, do you?
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[6:10] <Corsac> Meizirkki: only an ext3 partition with a standard rootfs and a swap one?
[6:10] <Corsac> (besides the vfat at the beginning)
[6:10] <Meizirkki> Corsac, no sqfs
[6:11] <Meizirkki> yes, 40Mb FAT32, 7.5 Gb ext3 and 256 Mb SWAP
[6:11] <Meizirkki> and the original kernel
[6:12] <Corsac> only idea left is that my card is crap
[6:16] <Meizirkki> Does anyone have ideas regarding this: http://picasaweb.google.com/meizirkki/Problems#5394624673695562114
[6:16] <Meizirkki> omapfb driver
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[6:37] <whoever> i thaught the software was out of beta by now, does any one have an out of beta date for th software?
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[6:47] <DJWillis> whoever: I suspect that will be a little while considering how much community stuff is underpinning the TB
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[6:53] <jkridner|work> anybody know a USB-to-VGA converter that works out-of-the-box with the Touchbook?
[6:54] <andrewgodwin> jkridner|work: I tried one, it broke the USB bus until a reboot
[6:54] <andrewgodwin> (we suspect power draw was the issue)
[6:54] <DJWillis> jkridner|work: there is only the SiS one that works with Linux or do you know of other ones? I am not sure any one with be good with the OMAP3 PHY anyway ;-)
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[7:11] <Corsac> hmhm, a dd from the 100 first MB of the sdcard doesn't boot either
[7:16] <Meizirkki> .. is there an Xorg driver that uses SGX
[7:16] <Meizirkki> ?
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[7:32] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: nope, there is some SGX kDrive stuff about somewhere (total mess), nothing for X.org (yet)
[7:34] <koen> the sgx in the omap3 lacks the pvr2d hardware block
[7:34] <koen> so Xsgx is 100% worthless
[7:35] <koen> http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/Xsgx-Xord.perfdiff.txt
[7:35] <koen> 22 times slower than regular Xorg
[7:35] <Meizirkki> k
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[7:39] <DJWillis> koen: answers that one, I keep forgettting that we don't have the 2D block.
[7:41] <Stskeeps> hm, no pvr2d in this specific omap3 type or?
[7:43] <koen> no pvr2d in omap3 at all
[7:43] <koen> or omap4 for that matter
[7:44] <koen> there's a reason why nokia is adding all that NEON into libpixman :)
[7:44] <DJWillis> koen: have you tried much of that work? I noticed you pushed some into OE
[7:45] <koen> yes, it makes things a lot faster
[7:45] <koen> so backwards armv5te only distros miss out on all that goodness
[7:47] <Corsac> hmhm, that means debian (armv4) will be slow as hell?
[7:47] <koen> correct
[7:48] <Corsac> prft
[7:48] <Corsac> with no way to improve things?
[7:48] <Corsac> (I guess not all packages require that, do they?)
[7:48] <koen> recompiling for armv7a gives you a 30% speedboost, regardless of neon
[7:48] <Corsac> only some specific packages?
[7:50] <DJWillis> Corsac: with a good portion in my experance, not all 30% of course but it's madness not to use it when you have an ARMv7 ;-)
[7:51] <Corsac> except you have to rebuild everything which is not exactly panacea :)
[7:51] <koen> I suspect most of the speedup is due to accounting for the long pipeline in the cortex
[7:51] <DJWillis> koen: would make sense, it would have to be a big change, we are using GCC after all ;-)
[7:51] <Corsac> and it's not possible to build stuff in a backward compatible way, I guess
[7:52] <DJWillis> Corsac: different outlooks to OE and Debian, compile on or off the box, that is the question ;-)
[7:52] <DJWillis> Corsac: not really, well not in any sort of efficent kind of way.
[7:52] <Corsac> yeah I'm speaking of debian
[7:52] * koen built the bootstrap toolchain used for the debian-eabi with OE
[7:52] <Corsac> because speedup is good, but compatibility is nice too
[7:52] <koen> so debian/armel is OE based :)
[7:53] <Corsac> :)
[7:53] <koen> Corsac: the problem with debian/arm is with dpkg
[7:53] <DJWillis> Corsac: I'll go and get the pitchforks and oil.
[7:53] <Corsac> pitchforks?
[7:53] <koen> Corsac: dpkg hardcodes one architecture for all LE arms: armel
[7:54] <Corsac> koen: well, having dozens of ports doesn't really make sense either
[7:54] <koen> Corsac: so you have to settle for the lowest ISA around
[7:54] <DJWillis> Yep, there is no concept of working down the package tree, try for a v7, nope, ok, v6, v5 etc. etc.
[7:54] <koen> armv4t, armv5te, armv6 with vfp, armv6 without vfp, armv7a
[7:55] <koen> that's covers about 95% of the stuff out there
[7:55] <Corsac> yeah, and it's just not possible to support them
[7:55] <koen> strange
[7:55] <Corsac> it's already hard to maintain 14 architectures, you know :)
[7:55] <koen> we support those fine with angstrom
[7:56] <DJWillis> Corsac: I'll just heat the oil ;-)
[7:56] <Corsac> DJWillis: :)
[7:56] <koen> I guess cross-compiling makes a huge difference :)
[7:56] <DJWillis> I am with Koen on this one but I am used to cross building ;-)
[7:56] <koen> I remember wooky proposing debian should cross compile everything by default, just to weed out buildsystem contamination
[7:57] <koen> even x86->x86
[7:57] <DJWillis> koen: and I seem to recall it was shot down badly. To much like hardwork for them at the time.
[7:58] <Corsac> I don't exactly know how cross compiling would ease maintaining like 15 or more ports :/
[7:58] <koen> it would boil down to spending about 6 months to fix bugs associated with that and doing nothing else in the mean time
[7:58] <DJWillis> Corsac: well you would get the kinks out of the build systems upstream
[7:59] <Corsac> sorry, I don't get it
[8:01] <Corsac> how much armv7a is there wrt. armv4t?
[8:01] <andrewgodwin> presumably OE/??ngstr??m's buildchain does cross-compiling?
[8:02] <DJWillis> Corsac: well then you can automate a lot like we do with OE, adding ARMv7 while supporting old archs was easy in the grand scheme of things (well ask Koen ;-))
[8:02] <DJWillis> andrewgodwin: that it does.
[8:02] <andrewgodwin> good. I had this vision of a row of PDAs plugged in 24/7
[8:03] <andrewgodwin> or some case filled with ARM boards
[8:03] <andrewgodwin> I would suggest the new fat-ELF stuff, but I'm not sure that's a great idea for embedded systems :)
[8:03] <DJWillis> andrewgodwin: no, that's Debian/Ubunutu etc. ;-)
[8:04] <andrewgodwin> "here, we've tripled the size of hour binaries!"
[8:04] <DJWillis> andrewgodwin: it's been suggested before, sort of embedded universial bins but the idea of that is horrific, I guess the feeling was 'flash is cheap'
[8:04] <andrewgodwin> no, it's not right
[8:04] <Corsac> if we manage to get multi-arch for squeeze it'll be nice
[8:05] <andrewgodwin> there's never enough space on embedded devices, and often the flash mem is soldered on and not upgradeable
[8:06] <koen> size is not a consideration for debian people
[8:06] <shiznebit> so all this talk, means that there is a mountain of work and not enough peopel
[8:06] <koen> most debian rules don't to granular packaging at all
[8:06] <andrewgodwin> no, it just means some organisation and coalescing needs to happen
[8:08] <DJWillis> andrewgodwin: I hate to say it but if the Ubuntu/ARM stuff ever turns into more then just PR back slapping I suspect they will look to push money and resource upstream to get there feeding projects inline.
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[8:08] <DJWillis> IMHO of course ;-)
[8:09] <andrewgodwin> DJWillis: well of course, but that's one of the reasons they're so sucessful
[8:09] <koen> I've been the amount of $$$ canonical wants for an "official port" and it's not funny
[8:09] <DJWillis> koen: I can believe that
[8:09] <koen> s/been/seen/
[8:10] <andrewgodwin> koen: not funny high or not funny low?
[8:10] <DJWillis> andrewgodwin: you think about it ;-)
[8:11] <shiznebit> problem FUnny High
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[8:11] <Meizirkki> Ubuntu shouldn't be slow on tb as it's armv6el + vfp2 ?
[8:11] <koen> it's more than 10 years of my current pay
[8:11] <Meizirkki> O_o
[8:11] <andrewgodwin> that _is_ what I expected
[8:12] <andrewgodwin> but I had to confirm. Curiosity killed the cat, and all that
[8:12] <koen> you can buy the sgx sources multiple times for that, to put it in perspective
[8:12] <shiznebit> how much would the sgx source cost, anyhow ?
[8:13] <andrewgodwin> perhaps that level of cash invested in banging out some ARM OS development might be good
[8:13] <koen> I can't give you the exact amount, but you can buy a house for that kind of money
[8:13] <shiznebit> :(
[8:13] <andrewgodwin> it's not going to drag everything the massive-ubuntu-way, as looks (and performance) matters too
[8:13] <shiznebit> damn and i here i thought i could purchase it
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[8:15] <Meizirkki> I read somewhere around internet that directfb has hw acceleration on BB, true?
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[8:17] <shiznebit> is the Mali GPU going to be open-sourced ?
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[8:55] <Corsac> wow, xfdesktop is not really the upstream one
[8:57] <Meizirkki> debian or AIOS?
[8:57] <Corsac> aios
[8:57] <Corsac> I'm maintaining the debian one and I can assure you we don't modify it :)
[8:58] <Meizirkki> ah, okay :)
[8:59] <Meizirkki> Corsac, debian running yet?
[8:59] <Meizirkki> on TB
[8:59] <Corsac> no
[8:59] <Meizirkki> k
[8:59] <Corsac> it doesn't boot at all
[8:59] <Corsac> I'm currently copyring the aios key over mine to check if my key is crap
[8:59] <DJWillis> Corsac: in what way is it modded? I know for 4.6.1 I have to carry 3 patches to get it all working but I don't recall what the AI setup for 4.4 is
[8:59] <DJWillis> I know it's 4.4.old
[8:59] <Corsac> the settings are not at all what I remember from 4.4
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[9:01] <Corsac> hey alexandre
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[9:01] <Corsac> DJWillis: it seems they merged some xfwm settings there
[9:01] <Corsac> (like compositing)
[9:02] <DJWillis> Corsac: yuck!
[9:03] <Corsac> btw, suspend seems to work
[9:03] <Corsac> can't check yet wrt. usb though
[9:03] <Corsac> ha yes I can
[9:03] <Corsac> the keyboard doesn't work :)
[9:04] <Corsac> the touchscreen does, though
[9:05] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i got same results with Kubuntu
[9:07] <Corsac> alexandre: do you know if there's something more to do for booting than 1) checking the sector/head on partition table 2) create an active vfat partition with mlo, uboot and uImage ?
[9:07] <Corsac> \
[9:15] <Meizirkki> hah, i have been confused by some devices that are able to run "linux or android"
[9:15] <Meizirkki> now linuxfordevices takes it even further:
[9:15] <Meizirkki> The Cortex-A5 is said to support Android, Adobe Flash, Java Platform Standard Edition (Java SE), JavaFX, Linux, Microsoft Windows CE/Mobile, Symbian, and Ubuntu Linux
[9:15] <Corsac> ????
[9:17] <Meizirkki> android, linux or ubuntu linux.. dear lord..
[9:19] <matejcik> hmm. they don't list support for any web browsers, though. that might be a problem :P
[9:20] <shiznebit> has anyone taken the screen protector off ?
[9:20] <Corsac> me
[9:20] <Meizirkki> o/
[9:20] * Meizirkki too
[9:21] <shiznebit> i tried writing with and without it
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[9:51] <alexandre> Corsac: you mean for booting the AIOS?
[9:55] <Corsac> no
[9:56] <Corsac> to boot anything, in fact, but atm not the aios
[10:02] <noopman> hum excuse me but im unable to find the mer smartQ5 image download
[10:04] <noopman> got it :D
[10:07] <alexandre> no, this should be ok (although I didn't test it yet)
[10:09] <alexandre> well, of course then you have to install your OS on an ext3 partition
[10:09] <Corsac> yes
[10:09] <Corsac> but atm it seems I can't even boot the kernel
[10:09] <alexandre> hmm
[10:10] <Corsac> (either the ???white to black??? screen, or just black screen
[10:10] <Corsac> I'm currently copyring the initial sdcard to mine, in case mine is crap
[10:10] <Corsac> (and it takes ages)
[10:10] <alexandre> (i'm not surprised)
[10:13] <alexandre> Your first partition has the boot flag?
[10:16] <Corsac> yes
[10:16] <Corsac> and the 63/255 sector/heads configuration
[10:16] <Corsac> and contains mlo, the uboot and uImage from the first aios partition
[10:16] <Corsac> and it's a 0c partition type with a mkfs.vfat -F 32 filesystem
[10:17] <Meizirkki> Corsac, i bet your SD is just b0rked, i have exactly the same configureation here and it works fine
[10:17] <Corsac> I kind-of bet that too :/
[10:25] <Meizirkki> yes, i'll start building image once i get kdm installed
[10:25] <Corsac> kdm on lxde?
[10:25] <Corsac> wtf
[10:25] <Meizirkki> i can't login using gdm, so
[10:25] <Corsac> (i've built a ubuntu-minimal rootfs which I'll try once I have a working usb key)
[10:26] <Meizirkki> no idea i just can login, gdm never offers me the password field
[10:27] <Meizirkki> yes
[10:27] <Corsac> astronut: and login on console?
[10:27] <Corsac> dman.
[10:27] <Corsac> Meizirkki: and login on console
[10:27] <Meizirkki> Corsac, that works yes
[10:27] <Meizirkki> user "ubuntu" is normally used in livecd systems not having any password, it might have something to do with that
[10:28] <Corsac> try setting a password maybe
[10:28] <whoever> DJWillis: u gotta link that i can read up on (lookin to get one around april 2010 )hoping it will be out of beta
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[10:30] <Meizirkki> no
[10:31] <Meizirkki> Macer, ubuntu is the user you use in ubuntu live-cd
[10:31] <DJWillis> whoever: nope, it's just a comment understanding how the OS is being built up, I think the progress by April next year will be very substantual.
[10:32] <shiznebit> yea
[10:32] <DJWillis> Macer: either way, it's going to have moved on a lot.
[10:33] <shiznebit> making your own os is always troublesome
[10:34] <Corsac> because ubuntu kind-of sucks and is broken every once in a while
[10:34] <DJWillis> shiznebit: that's not really the case in the TB, it's based on a mature distro with a mature build system underneath, some of there UI layer stuff is there own and it sounds like that sort of stuff needs work.
[10:34] <Corsac> Macer: sure
[10:35] <Corsac> Macer: I wouldn't trust ubuntu to build an operating system I could support in front of customers
[10:35] <Corsac> it would be too hard to follow
[10:35] <shiznebit> can't we just use the official oe build
[10:35] <Corsac> too much work to repair what they break
[10:35] <shiznebit> what they break ?
[10:36] <Corsac> Macer: btw, did you read the blog post about eeebuntu moving to debian unstable because ubuntu is badly broken
[10:36] <Corsac> Macer: no it's not
[10:36] <Corsac> ubuntu has the habbit to badly break stuff, and their stable release only really has the name
[10:36] <Corsac> Macer: worst
[10:36] <whoever> DJWillis: thanks
[10:36] <Corsac> even LTS is not really an option
[10:37] <Corsac> at least I wouldn't trust it
[10:37] <DJWillis> shiznebit: well Koen has been moving over a lot of the AI stuff into OpenEmbedded/Angstrom (would have been nice if AI did it to be honest) so support in mainline Angstrom is getting a lot better.
[10:37] <DJWillis> Macer: it breaks on ARM a lot in my testing on the Pandora on and off.
[10:37] <Corsac> Macer: I don't mean as an user
[10:38] <Corsac> Macer: I mean for a company
[10:38] <Corsac> endorsing the use of ubuntu is just not possible
[10:38] <shiznebit> Corsac, what do you mean by "broken"
[10:38] <Corsac> shiznebit: like, not working, for one reason or another
[10:38] <shiznebit> as in random company a has a new device
[10:38] <Corsac> like intel driver in the last release, like ???stable??? releases with shits of upgrades
[10:38] <shiznebit> trys to put ubuntu
[10:39] <shiznebit> and it doesn't work
[10:39] <Corsac> stablizing ubuntu is too much work
[10:39] <Meizirkki> Corsac, stable enough for me :)
[10:39] <DJWillis> Macer: about 5 of them ;-), I am one of the devs for it (unpaid hobby guy). Been working on the filesystem and kernel etc.
[10:39] <Corsac> sure
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[10:40] <DJWillis> Macer: I have been involved for the last 2+ years but we have a small number of devices out with devs/hackers etc.
[10:40] <shiznebit> im surprised they aren't vapor
[10:40] <DJWillis> Macer: took 100 times longer then anyone ever planned and it's not all done and dusted yet.
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[10:41] <DJWillis> Macer: all the current OMAP3 devices took a while to get there ;-)
[10:41] <shiznebit> expect the iphone and the pre
[10:41] <shiznebit> damn them
[10:41] <shiznebit> yeah
[10:42] <DJWillis> Macer: there is a company for OP, not quite garage build but it started that way.
[10:42] <Corsac> what about compass in the touchbook?
[10:42] <DJWillis> iPhoneGS is not OMAP3
[10:42] <Corsac> like, near the magnets :)
[10:42] <shiznebit> DJWillis, wth is it then
[10:42] <shiznebit> umm A8 proc and SGX gpu
[10:43] <shiznebit> sounds omap3
[10:43] <DJWillis> shiznebit: Samsung SoC with a CortexA8 core on it.
[10:43] <DJWillis> shiznebit: TI are not the only Cortex A8 licence holder ;-)
[10:44] <shiznebit> but what makes TI distinct is its DSP
[10:44] <shiznebit> right ?
[10:44] <DJWillis> Palm Pre is an OMAP3 (and WebOS is built on OpenEmbedded and shares a lot of it's base with the Touchbook stuff).
[10:44] <DJWillis> shiznebit: the C64 DSP is a great little bit of kit
[10:45] * shiznebit wonders if we could just dump a WebOS and be done
[10:45] <shiznebit> Macer, have you seen the Droid/Sholes
[10:45] <shiznebit> that shit is godly
[10:45] <shiznebit> and so is the N900
[10:46] <DJWillis> shiznebit: not really, it does not use X, parts are closed and they have (to date) not been very good at offering there work on OpenEmbedded back upstream (outside messy and non-building tarballs with no notes).
[10:46] <shiznebit> both phones bring something the iphone can't
[10:46] <shiznebit> why ?
[10:47] <shiznebit> unlike the iphone :P
[10:47] <DJWillis> N900 looks nice, and Nokia have been very good with the Linux foaks about getting as much into mainline so that's really nice.
[10:47] <shiznebit> in CY 4.1.9999 it works
[10:47] <shiznebit> lol, what do you want from a phone
[10:48] <shiznebit> yea
[10:48] <shiznebit> i know, but the quickoffice on android was done by htc
[10:48] <shiznebit> which is dalvik to blame
[10:49] <shiznebit> have you tried copilot
[10:49] <Corsac> (and mer)
[10:50] <Corsac> though I didn't yet tested mer on the toucbook
[10:50] <Corsac> +h
[10:50] <shiznebit> the problem with the n900
[10:50] <shiznebit> is you wont be able to update to maemo 6 when the time comes
[10:50] <Corsac> shiznebit: we don't know that
[10:51] <shiznebit> you'll be stuck at v5 and if you want the new OS you got to pony up for a new phone
[10:51] <shiznebit> psh
[10:51] <shiznebit> considering what it can do
[10:51] <Corsac> Macer: maemo 6 is scheduled for next year, afaik
[10:51] <shiznebit> will you really want to upgrade
[10:51] <Corsac> Macer: I hope hw won't be deprecated by then :/
[10:52] <Corsac> shiznebit: you always want to upgrade :)
[10:52] <Corsac> Macer: me too
[10:52] <shiznebit> ARM is trying to get A9 out ASAP
[10:52] <Corsac> ok, no I want to get home, but my dd is not finished ><
[10:52] <andrewgodwin> how are they going to write an OS that doesn't run on the n900?
[10:52] <andrewgodwin> that thing's approaching the power of my desktop
[10:53] <shiznebit> by having it run only on newer hardware
[10:53] <andrewgodwin> Macer: yes, my main machine is a laptop :)
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[10:53] <andrewgodwin> shiznebit: they didn't do that with the previous stuff
[10:54] <andrewgodwin> maemo 5 is the first major uncompatability
[10:54] <Stskeeps> cos of GL
[10:54] <andrewgodwin> exactly
[10:55] <shiznebit> the n900 still uses the SGX, which is closed source
[10:56] <shiznebit> i doubt nokia is gonna spend money to have the n900 supported by SGX
[10:56] <Stskeeps> Macer: number of things.. this is a recent development and not worth investing in. more worth investing in mer
[10:56] <andrewgodwin> the maemo development process has been, in my opnion, one of the most open commercial developments in recent history
[10:58] <Meizirkki> packing up
[10:58] <Stskeeps> Macer: doubtit
[10:58] <Corsac> 3579806208 bytes (3,6 GB) copied, 12705,3 s, 282 kB/s
[10:58] <Corsac> mpf.
[10:58] <Corsac> not even at half
[10:58] * Corsac interrupts it
[10:58] <Meizirkki> hahha
[10:58] <Corsac> Macer: the initial aios key
[10:59] <Meizirkki> key?
[10:59] <Corsac> well, sdcard :/
[10:59] <Corsac> with 7 sources on it
[10:59] <Meizirkki> ah, the image
[10:59] <Corsac> no, I'm copyring the full image
[10:59] <Corsac> so 8G
[10:59] <Meizirkki> 282 kB/s is slow
[10:59] <Corsac> though I interrupted it
[10:59] <Corsac> Meizirkki: it's not slow, it's deadly :/
[10:59] <Meizirkki> (says me with 16kB upload)
[10:59] <Corsac> Meizirkki: it's *usb copy*
[10:59] <Corsac> not upload
[11:00] <Meizirkki> image done
[11:00] <Corsac> though it's through an usb adaptor, then a minisd then microsd
[11:00] <Corsac> :/
[11:00] <shiznebit> Meizirkki, how long will the up take
[11:01] <Meizirkki> long
[11:01] * Macer starts the pool
[11:02] <Meizirkki> wtf it's 256Mb O_o
[11:02] <Meizirkki> seriously
[11:02] <Meizirkki> it can't be
[11:02] * shiznebit readys 1 year on the clock
[11:02] <noopman> hum i fired up mer after going through the "installing" process [as in username password [which is not allowed to beempty] and getting error messages because of wireless stuff] i was sent back to a shell without x. now i want to login as root but i dont know any root pw and the pw i entered doesnt work. halp!
[11:03] <Meizirkki> Macer, accept transfer
[11:03] <shiznebit> what happened to the old one
[11:03] <shiznebit> ?
[11:03] <Meizirkki> old one was screwed
[11:04] <shiznebit> ??
[11:04] <Meizirkki> didn't boot
[11:04] <shiznebit> ooh
[11:04] <Meizirkki> 4:30 -.-
[11:04] * Meizirkki starts hating his isp
[11:04] <shiznebit> hha
[11:05] <Meizirkki> Macer, no but this time it hasn't been packed up in a live system
[11:05] <shiznebit> whos your isp
[11:05] <Meizirkki> Soner
[11:05] <Meizirkki> a
[11:05] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: i have shitty upstream too :P
[11:05] <Meizirkki> Macer, i will
[11:05] <shiznebit> not american im guessing
[11:05] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, 16 Kb/s?
[11:06] <shiznebit> thats 1MB
[11:06] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: 50kb/s but close
[11:06] <shiznebit> thats damn fast
[11:06] <Meizirkki> Sonera forced us to take this crap @450 wireless internet.
[11:06] <Meizirkki> >_<
[11:07] <koen> iphone 3gs is a samsung s5pc100 cpu
[11:08] <noopman> any suggestions about the "problem" i mentioned :x
[11:08] <shiznebit> 3GS: Samsung S5PC100 ARM Cortex-A8
[11:08] <shiznebit> 833 MHz underclocked to 600 MHz
[11:08] <shiznebit> cause the dont see the point of you sending anything
[11:08] <koen> if it's like omap 600MHz isn't "underclocked"
[11:09] <Meizirkki> noopman, it gets you to console ?
[11:09] <shiznebit> koen, i was wondering if could OC the one in the T
[11:09] <noopman> yes it looks like x isnt running
[11:09] <shiznebit> s/T/TB
[11:09] <Meizirkki> noopman, try rebooting, it shouldn't go there
[11:09] <noopman> i c
[11:09] <noopman> reboot as in hardreset
[11:09] <shiznebit> any numbers on the amount of people who got one
[11:09] <Meizirkki> ctrl+alt+del?
[11:10] <shiznebit> and preordered one
[11:10] <shiznebit> terminal > sudo -s > poweroff
[11:10] <noopman> booted and still in the login shell
[11:11] <noopman> shiznebit, i dont have access to root
[11:11] <noopman> i didnt set any password
[11:11] <noopman> or at least i wasnt asked for one
[11:11] <Meizirkki> hmm
[11:11] <Meizirkki> did you make the user?
[11:11] <noopman> yes
[11:11] <noopman> i can login as npx with some password i set
[11:11] <Meizirkki> login to that
[11:12] <Meizirkki> and sudo
[11:12] <noopman> "must be setuid root"
[11:12] <Meizirkki> err
[11:12] <Meizirkki> try startx
[11:12] <Meizirkki> as user
[11:12] <noopman> user not authorized to run the X server aborting
[11:12] <noopman> also "unable to open wrapper config file"
[11:13] <Meizirkki> wtf..
[11:13] <Meizirkki> how did you unpack it?
[11:13] <noopman> the archive?
[11:13] <noopman> tar -xf
[11:13] <Meizirkki> yes
[11:13] <Meizirkki> reinstall might help
[11:14] <Meizirkki> it's tar.gz isn't it?
[11:14] <noopman> mh
[11:14] <noopman> i believe so
[11:14] <Meizirkki> you should use tar -zxf
[11:14] <Meizirkki> i think
[11:14] <noopman> hum i c
[11:14] <noopman> ill try it over again :)
[11:14] <Meizirkki> but reinstall probably anyway
[11:15] <Meizirkki> yup, good luck
[11:15] <noopman> ty
[11:15] <noopman> this morning mer was running it was a nice experience
[11:15] <koen> shiznebit: depends on the omap3 batch, most don't overclock at all, some to ~700MHz and if you're extremely lucky to 1GHz
[11:15] <noopman> now i try to get the wireless stuff to work
[11:15] <shiznebit> koen, i see
[11:16] <koen> a few months ago I couldn't get my beagles to go >650MHz
[11:16] <Meizirkki> Macer, yeah! :P
[11:16] <koen> note that the standard 600Mhz the TB runs on undervolts it a bit
[11:17] <Meizirkki> Macer, only 7 hours left!
[11:18] <Meizirkki> it should be 56Kb/s
[11:19] <Meizirkki> i mean, i pay for 56Kb upspeed, what i get with that money is 8.5 KB/s
[11:19] <Meizirkki> Macer, i have wireless connection called "@450"
[11:19] <Meizirkki> it uses 450MHz frequency
[11:19] <Meizirkki> it's wireless
[11:19] <shiznebit> koen, whats the standard 608 Mhz ?
[11:20] <Meizirkki> Macer, it has better range than WiMax or 2G phone
[11:21] <shiznebit> nope
[11:21] <Meizirkki> @450-box is about the size of wlan-box, just bigger antenna
[11:21] <shiznebit> Meizirkki, is this really in the US ?
[11:21] <Meizirkki> Macer, not mean for high speed, i live in the middle of nowhere, and that what it's for
[11:21] <Meizirkki> shiznebit, i live in finland
[11:21] <shiznebit> i see
[11:21] <jvs> hmm, finland
[11:21] <jvs> broadband everywhere?
[11:22] <shiznebit> meaning you got an international order
[11:22] <Meizirkki> shiznebit, yup
[11:22] <shiznebit> jvs, almost everywhere, except the farthest reaches of the universe
[11:23] <dpb> Thanks to whoever linked to the XorA blog.
[11:23] <jvs> you mean tantooine?
[11:23] <dpb> I edited the script and added a swap partition to it.
[11:23] * Macer leaves before this conversation turns bad :)
[11:23] <jvs> no, I believe finland ranks well in broadband coverage
[11:24] <dpb> I think Finland ranked 20th in Europe.
[11:24] <jvs> I see
[11:24] <shiznebit> Meizirkki, do you do rally racing as well
[11:25] <Meizirkki> shiznebit, eh.. no?
[11:26] <Meizirkki> Macer, testing if the image boots up now..
[11:26] <jvs> strange conversations
[11:26] <shiznebit> dpb, what SDcard did you use
[11:27] <dpb> with this script or with Ubuntu?
[11:28] <Meizirkki> Macer, this image boots up fine here :)
[11:28] <shiznebit> dpb, with the script
[11:28] <koen> shiznebit: 500MHz is standard, 600MHz is called 'overdrive'
[11:28] <koen> shiznebit: this will change with the release of the 720MHz speed grade, 600MHz will be default there AIUI
[11:28] <viridior> back
[11:28] <dpb> shiznebit: some 4GB one
[11:28] <koen> (it's called overdrive since it shortens the lifespan)
[11:29] <shiznebit> koen, gotchya
[11:29] <viridior> koen: welcome
[11:29] <dpb> shiznebit: it doesn't really matter, it *should* work on any size
[11:29] <shiznebit> dpb, so i would hope
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[11:41] * Meizirkki feels like giving an angry call to his isp...
[11:42] <dpb> Which one? :)
[11:43] * viridior starts compiling e17...
[11:46] <Meizirkki> dpb, sonera >_<
[11:49] <viridior> Meizirkki: thanks for the response, i joined #mer
[11:50] <dpb> Meizirkki: haha
[11:51] <Meizirkki> viridior, you're welcome
[11:51] <Meizirkki> dpb, what's your isp?
[11:51] <dpb> Nebula
[11:52] <viridior> im going to try and get e17 working today, then boot it up on my TB. Not sure if I want to go with that or something elese
[11:52] <DJWillis> viridior: under Gentoo I assume? Not OE.
[11:52] * Meizirkki is going to try e17 too :)
[11:52] <viridior> yes
[11:53] * koen has e17 running on his touchbook :)
[11:53] <koen> I like it a lot more than that xfce thing
[11:53] <viridior> im sure e17 isn't much of a stretch with Angstrom-based OSes since it already comes on the Angstrom Demo
[11:53] <Meizirkki> koen, AIOS or ?
[11:53] <koen> viridior: correct :)
[11:54] * viridior bows to koen
[11:54] <koen> Meizirkki: if you call the default thing AIOS, then yes
[11:54] * koen just calls it "AI gui on top of angstrom"
[11:54] * viridior smiles
[11:54] <Meizirkki> AI calls is AIOS :)
[11:54] <andrewgodwin> is there a non-compiley way to get e17 on?
[11:55] <viridior> i think anyone installing e17 from the Angstrom repo is going to have a heck of the time fixing dependancies
[11:55] <viridior> andrewgodwin: angstrom repo already has e17 compiled
[11:55] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: calling it AIOS considering it even seems to point at the Angstrom feeds is a bit rich IMHO ;-)
[11:55] <viridior> problem is what happens to the rest of the system when e17 deps pulls in newer libraries
[11:56] <Meizirkki> DJWillis, i'll call it "the original OS" then :)
[11:56] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: no, AI calls it AIOS anyway, or the TouchbookOS.
[11:56] <viridior> AI's custom scripts aren't very resilient yet, hence the networking issue etc
[11:58] <azaghal> Personally, I don't like e17 :)
[11:58] <DJWillis> Meizirkki: odd one really, I know we use a 'powered by Angstrom' logo on the Pandora but it seems odd not to shout about it ;-). Nothing wrong with OE and Angstrom at all. And any good PR for it will get more people hacking on it.
[11:58] * viridior agrees
[11:59] <viridior> since AI'
[11:59] <viridior> err... since AI's scripts are supposedly going to be GPL, then I don't really understand why they just didn't label it "Angstrom" and add in their scripts packages to the central repo
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[12:01] <viridior> the only issue i see is for stability reasons of freezing to a specific Angstrom image which will cause confusion amongst some customers
[12:01] <Meizirkki> viridior, Company that says it has "it's own" OS on their devices makes normal customers think like apple fans do
[12:02] <azaghal> I don't think Touchbook customers are like Apple fans...
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[12:02] <DJWillis> viridior: that's what I have tried to do (and I don't claim to have got it right) with the Pandora. I then also maintain an OpenEmbedded overlay with Pandora specific stuff, branding, that sort of guff that will not go into mainline. But my view is that if you claim to use OpenEmbedded/Angstrom then users should be able to build 100% working images from the public metadata ;-)
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[12:02] <viridior> Meizirkki: that might be true, but out of those people the other 80-90% of the population think in terms of a large central OS that will be unnamed ;)
[12:03] <Meizirkki> true
[12:04] <viridior> DJWillis: my other complaint would be that work that is done to "AIOS" may not make it back to Angstrom even though they are almost identical
[12:04] <viridior> as in 99.95% identical
[12:05] <viridior> plus or minus .04% ;)
[12:05] <DJWillis> viridior: and mine, it's a shame, sort of like what had happened thus far with WebOS (well that is more like 85% ;-))
[12:05] <koen> most users thing "apt-get install kde" in ubuntu gets you a different distro
[12:05] * viridior twitches
[12:06] <DJWillis> koen: tell me about it, I get, 'so that's the XFCE based OS, what's that E17 based OS all about then?' often.
[12:06] <koen> webos is built with OE as well
[12:06] <koen> dunno if it's angstrom based :)
[12:06] <viridior> koen: I've been meaning to give you some props for your web-based custom Angstrom image generator. You have inspired me to try and develop a package building queue for Neuvoo
[12:06] <koen> viridior: :)
[12:07] <viridior> i know armin76 from gentoo embedded is working on a Gentoo version
[12:07] <DJWillis> koen: it's close, not sure, seems to share a lot of metadata for sure like Angstrom was a starting point.
[12:08] <koen> once I get these AI scripts into OE I can start putting up images for people to use
[12:08] <viridior> if i wasn't a damn Verizon customer under contract i would shift to AT&T and get the Palm Pre to mess with it
[12:08] <koen> and pre-cooked image options to narcissus
[12:08] <viridior> koen: is there a .ebuild to .bb converter?
[12:08] <DJWillis> koen: that has to be the way to go :)
[12:09] <koen> viridior: not really
[12:09] <DJWillis> viridior: 10 mins with Vi?
[12:09] * viridior chuckles
[12:09] <DJWillis> koen: ever seen "ERROR: QA Issue with staging: gmime-2.4.pc failed sanity test (tmpdir) in path"
[12:09] <viridior> mostly hitting 'dd'?
[12:10] <koen> DJWillis: yes, let me look into that
[12:10] <DJWillis> koen: don't stress, just came up on my build machine and it's a new one.
[12:11] <koen> DJWillis: that's with 2.4.10?
[12:11] <DJWillis> yep
[12:12] <noopman> mers running and im successfully connected to my wpa/wpa2 network
[12:12] <DJWillis> noopman: very nice
[12:13] <koen> DJWillis: try something like http://pastebin.ca/1635584
[12:13] <koen> DJWillis: but change the .pc name :)
[12:14] <noopman> ty :o
[12:15] <DJWillis> koen: trying
[12:15] <koen> DJWillis: I don't see that problem, but that could be just pure luck
[12:16] <koen> DJWillis: normally roger will hit such issues and tell me to fix it :)
[12:17] <DJWillis> koen: ahhh, it just poped up while putting a new XFCE46 image together, trying the fix now, will take a while to bind up the image so i'll let you know.
[12:18] <noopman> how to perform a click on a link in tear?
[12:20] <koen> DJWillis: now if you resend those patches without linewrapping and exec bits ;)
[12:21] <shiznebit> noopman, are any of the other issues resolved, specifically the usb one ?
[12:22] <DJWillis> koen: yep, i'll get on that when I get this image out ;-)
[12:22] <noopman> hum what was up with the usb stuff?
[12:22] <noopman> anything you want me to try?
[12:22] <koen> DJWillis: you can check by trying to git am the 'mbox' links from http://patchwork.openembedded.org/project/openembedded/list/
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[12:23] <DJWillis> koen: I know what caused it, stuck using Outlook :-o for several reasons.
[12:23] * koen coughs
[12:23] <koen> git send-email works with gmail
[12:23] <shiznebit> noopman, yeah but the thing to sleep and see if it wakes up with working usb
[12:24] <koen> DJWillis: see http://git-scm.org/gitwiki/GitTips#Usingmsmtptosendyourpatches
[12:24] <koen> DJWillis: that's what I use on my mac :)
[12:25] <noopman> hum sorry i dont know what you mean. bluetooth and wlan which is connected via usb works. i already sent a file to my mobile via BT
[12:26] <DJWillis> koen: yep, I am just afraid to spam the list if I screw up ;-). Need to do a little more work on the keymap anyway, would you take recipies for u-boot, x-load and kernel (the git.op.org vairents)? Off topic I know ;-)
[12:27] <shiznebit> noopman, on the AIOS, if you put it to Sleep ( Ctrl+Alt+Del > Sleep), after waking it up all usb devices would not work. Im wondering if the same thing happens on Mer
[12:27] <koen> DJWillis: sure
[12:27] <koen> DJWillis: you could even send to to me personally :)
[12:28] <shiznebit> noopman, the kb and mouse wouldn't work either
[12:28] <noopman> oh i c
[12:28] <koen> oh dear god
[12:28] <koen> lxde is using sf.net svn
[12:29] <DJWillis> koen: yep, not working on an LXDE image are you? Was messing a little with that. The source is a little all over the place.
[12:29] <noopman> shiznebit, how to send mer sleeping so i can check that
[12:29] <koen> DJWillis: just reading up on lxde, so I can make informed complaints :)
[12:30] <koen> DJWillis: most lxde bits should already be in OE
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[12:30] <DJWillis> koen: I think a few key things are a bit out of date but most is there.
[12:31] * koen wishes kde was easier to crosscompile
[12:31] <koen> every other component builds a tool to generate shit
[12:31] <koen> which doesn't work too well when crosscompiling
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[12:31] <DJWillis> koen: really? well I am not sure I am a fan of KDE but yep, would be nice to make ARMv7a packages for OE
[12:31] <shiznebit> noopman, i really am not sure
[12:32] <shiznebit> im not even sure how to invoke via terminal on the AIOS
[12:32] <koen> DJWillis: TI has a few people working with nokia to make QT fly on omap3
[12:32] <koen> so the base is covered
[12:32] <DJWillis> koen: now that puts another slant on things ;-)
[12:33] * koen wants wobbly windows, damnit!
[12:34] * Corsac wobbles
[12:34] * viridior wobbles thru a window
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[12:34] * viridior sends koen the medical bill
[12:34] <DJWillis> koen: and a daft cube that spins ;-) - in fairness, virtual desktops are a god send on small devices.
[12:35] <koen> DJWillis: I can show you a spinning cube with video and webcam streams on its faces
[12:35] <DJWillis> koen: is that the old TI OMAP3 vid that was doing the rounds?
[12:35] <koen> the kernel drivers for the battery still need work, so no surprise at the battery meter
[12:36] <koen> DJWillis: if 'old' is about one month, yes :)
[12:36] <shiznebit> noopman, i got it, echo -n mem > /sys/power/state
[12:36] <shiznebit> duhr
[12:36] <DJWillis> koen: ahh, not the one I was thinking of then :-o
[12:36] <shiznebit> that breaks EVERYTHING
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[12:37] <Corsac> setanta: I only broke usb here
[12:37] <Corsac> oh, in aios though
[12:37] <koen> DJWillis: one version is http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/bunny-cube.m4v (that's with gst-plugins-gl)
[12:38] <DJWillis> koen: yep, I need to talk to you sometime about gst-ti support. I'll take a look, cool vids that show OMAP3 can get there do a lot for the platforms.
[12:38] <koen> don't have a movie of the other version, but it will show up on youtube soon I guess, since it's the out of the box demo for the am3517 part of the 'sitara' thing
[12:39] <koen> DJWillis: I met pretty much every TI person working on gst-ti during my trip this month
[12:40] <koen> not surprising since they are part of my team :)
[12:41] <shiznebit> wow
[12:41] <shiznebit> how the heck did the manage that
[12:42] <koen> manage what?
[12:42] <DJWillis> koen: nice team
[12:43] <koen> indeed
[12:44] <DJWillis> koen: some people land on there feet it would seem
[12:48] <koen> DJWillis: this is the demo I was looking for: http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/OE/luibin-bc-cat-demo-beagle.m4v
[12:49] <koen> DJWillis: beagle configured for 720p on my tv using a usb webcam for the video
[12:49] <Corsac> hmhm, I just don't get it with fennec :/
[12:50] <koen> Corsac: fennec is useless
[12:51] <koen> it's a research project
[12:51] <koen> Corsac: after 1 year of development I found out it uses a slow fallback on 16bit display that makes it unusable
[12:51] <Corsac> yeah but I especially don't get how to use it
[12:52] <koen> Corsac: the developers have supposedly been testing on 16bit screen (e.g. n8xx) all that time, I don't believe that
[12:52] <koen> Corsac: it zooms when you want to scroll?
[12:52] <Corsac> exactly
[12:53] <koen> that happens to everyone
[12:53] <koen> see my suspicion about fennec devs not actually using it
[12:56] <shiznebit> koen, what could I possibly do to get vga out on my touchbook
[12:56] <koen> use a displaylink device or a sisusbvga
[12:57] <shiznebit> would those actually work with a BB
[12:58] <koen> I had both working with a beagle
[12:59] <shiznebit> great, do they work OTB or do i have to install the drivers/modules
[12:59] <koen> both need an x driver to work with X
[13:00] <koen> opkg install xf86-video-displaylink xf86-video-sisusb :)
[13:00] <koen> dunno if the standard kernel provides those modules
[13:01] <shiznebit> thank you koen
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[13:06] <Corsac> koen: btw, do you know if there are people maintaining xfce on Angstrom?
[13:06] <noopman> hum my tablet (tablet only) turned off. it seems that it run out of energy. now i put it back on they kb with the charger plugged in but it doesnt switch on :<
[13:07] <koen> we had AMD people doing that, but they got re-organized when AMD sold its mips stuff to raza
[13:07] <koen> Corsac: we have a brazilian company looking after the 4.4 recipes currently
[13:07] <shiznebit> noopman, what happened with the suspend to ram
[13:07] <Corsac> koen: hell, we have 4.4 in debian _stable_
[13:07] <Corsac> it's dead old :)
[13:08] <noopman> could check was showering and girlfriend was fighting with tear. now im back and the tablet ran out of energy and wont get charged :<
[13:08] <noopman> couldnt*
[13:09] <noopman> however it ran out of energy while being plugged in ... so the tablet only doesnt seem to charge does it?
[13:09] * Stskeeps has no idea how TB charges.
[13:10] <koen> Corsac: DJWillis seems to be volunteering for 4.6 :)
[13:10] <Corsac> cool
[13:10] <viridior> Stskeeps: you have link for manually compiling Mer?
[13:11] * koen pokes DJWillis
[13:11] <Stskeeps> viridior: define manually compiling..
[13:11] <viridior> im using Gentoo, but i doubt there are ebuilds for it yet
[13:11] <Corsac> koen: btw, opkg is about installing binaries, and bitbake is for building from sources, correct?
[13:11] <koen> Corsac: right
[13:12] <Stskeeps> viridior: right, we're one of those heathen debian package distros - we do have a imager that creates rootfs's thouggh
[13:12] * koen hearts the .deb format
[13:12] * viridior twitches
[13:12] * koen stabs dpkg for being a fascist pig about .deb format
[13:13] * Corsac dodges
[13:13] * viridior wish some people remembered that not everyone uses .deb :/
[13:14] * koen dislikes RPM
[13:14] <Corsac> like?
[13:14] <koen> Really Poorly Maintained
[13:14] <viridior> probably one of the biggest downsides of Debian/Ubuntu popularity
[13:14] <Stskeeps> viridior: well.. we don't have ebuilds but technically you can write some :P
[13:14] <viridior> looks like i will, point me to good source?
[13:14] <Corsac> I like people providing .debs, but only if they provide .dsc too
[13:15] <Stskeeps> we provide dscs too
[13:15] <Corsac> I know :)
[13:20] <DJWillis> *cough* who what where? Yep, got XFCE 4.6.1 images going ok (well they had been until an hour or so ago ;-)). koen: that gmime patch seems to have worked (another issue now).
[13:20] <Corsac> DJWillis: gimme gimme
[13:21] <shiznebit> DJWillis, treat us all
[13:21] <Corsac> until I can boot something else than AIOS, I'd prefer using the Xfce version i'm used too
[13:22] <shiznebit> Corsac, have you used your TB for note taking ?
[13:22] <DJWillis> Corsac: images that is, for the Pandora, but if you have an OE tree I can zip up the metadata, with a good machine file for the Touchbook the pandora-xfce-image should just work.
[13:23] <Corsac> shiznebit: didn't much used it, tbh
[13:23] <DJWillis> Corsac: it's stock XFCE, been meaning to add some branding for Angstrom (launch button logo etc.) but not had time.
[13:23] <Corsac> I'm on it atm because my laptop is busy copying to the sdcard
[13:23] <Corsac> DJWillis: no way to only get the .opkg?
[13:25] <DJWillis> Corsac: not from me at the moment, to many things that need uplifting and I am pretty damm sure it would tample all over the TB image at it stands (I binned 4.4 from my tree so I suspect upgrade is 'unsupported' for now ;-))
[13:25] <Corsac> mhmh ok
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[13:26] <DJWillis> Corsac: sorry. I suspect there is some interest in it, if anyone from AI wants the metadata give me a shout (my mails about it seem to have gone awol).
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[13:26] <koen> DJWillis: just put it in pandora git or something :)
[13:26] <shiznebit> tbh note taking is damn near impossible
[13:27] <Corsac> DJWillis: I'm not from AI though :)
[13:27] <shiznebit> unless i do it real real slow
[13:27] <Corsac> DJWillis: I just kind-of know well some employee :)
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[13:27] <Corsac> DJWillis: but it's more because I'm used to maintain it in debian
[13:28] <DJWillis> koen: i'll sort a branch (not a great GIT user and you know that), still got XFCE 4.4 in the main Pandora OE clone.
[13:28] <DJWillis> Corsac: I know that, sorry, 2 things going on in one line ;-)
[13:28] <Corsac> ok :)
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[13:29] <Corsac> (ok I really need to buy a real card and a real card reader because it just take ages)
[13:30] <shiznebit> yea DDing an SD is insanely slow
[13:34] <Corsac> especially at 250ko/s
[13:34] <Corsac> kB/s I mean
[13:34] <koen> I bought a really fast SD card (30MB/s) only to find out my usb sd reader tops out at like 17MB/s
[13:35] <Corsac> aha
[13:35] <Corsac> my usb reader is an adaptor which I guess isn't exactly best quality
[13:35] <Corsac> it's a micro sd in mini sd in sd in usb adaptor
[13:49] <martinh> i need to get another microsd/usb adaptor to put inside for keeping my home dir on.
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[14:00] <mkxxxc> hi all
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[14:06] <mkxxxc> If I buy TB would it be ready to go without bogs ? If I don't play with OS : ) and did anyone try to play rmvb video ?
[14:08] <Corsac> no/no
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[14:11] <shiznebit> mkxxxc, i highly doubt anyone uses rmvb
[14:12] <Corsac> raaah
[14:12] <Corsac> ipv6 is not built-in
[14:12] <Corsac> and no module ><
[14:14] <mkxxxc> I just need rmvb player no other option
[14:14] <Corsac> what's rmvb?
[14:15] <mkxxxc> video format
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[14:15] <Corsac> supported by ffmpeg?
[14:17] <shiznebit> Corsac, probaby
[14:17] <shiznebit> maybe you have to compile it yourself
[14:23] <mkxxxc> : ( I ended up wikisearch for rmvb, I just wanted to ask if someone played rmvb : )
[14:23] <mkxxxc> pzl anybody try to install http://www.real.com/linux/ on tb : )
[14:26] <mkxxxc> on original TB OS plz
[14:26] <mjr> mkxxxc, not happening
[14:26] <Corsac> oh.
[14:26] <Corsac> real media
[14:26] <Corsac> no way
[14:26] <Corsac> no way I even install that on an x86 box
[14:26] <mjr> that's undoubtedly an x86 binary
[14:27] <shiznebit> haha
[14:27] <Corsac> but it wont happen on arm
[14:27] <Corsac> real is the evil
[14:27] <shiznebit> seriously there is no way real is gonna run on Arm
[14:28] <Corsac> fortunately
[14:28] <shiznebit> thankfully its not even opensourced
[14:28] <shiznebit> so you couldn't even attempt it
[14:29] <shiznebit> WOOT
[14:33] * Macer goes to watch some tv shows while he waits
[14:33] <shiznebit> good to know
[14:33] <shiznebit> does hulu work again ?
[14:34] <shiznebit> yeah id say 74
[14:34] <shiznebit> 75 people
[14:34] <shiznebit> not a whole hell of alot
[14:35] * shiznebit calculates little
[14:36] <shiznebit> i still have no clue why they didn't stick with an already working distro
[14:37] <shiznebit> Macer where do you live ?
[14:37] <shiznebit> and whats the speed of the connection ?
[14:37] <shiznebit> the download
[14:38] <shiznebit> lol
[14:39] <shiznebit> o_O
[14:39] <shiznebit> atleast its half-way
[14:39] <shiznebit> heh
[14:41] <shiznebit> Macer, this does not have armv7 support, right ?
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[15:05] <shiznebit> i see the site
[15:11] <shiznebit> With the exception of the tipping, the hardware is amazing. It is probably the best thing you will see in an ARM based netbook for some time. The touch screen was innovative but plagued with underdeveloped beta software which seems to have no future once other Operating Systems are able to be installed on the unit. The unit is definitely not ready for end-users and will not be unless they really go out of their way to make a much b
[15:11] <shiznebit> etter interface (especially for the groundbreaking 3D touch interface). If you are expecting to jump on a Touchbook and go, then stay away from it. If you are excpecting to put some work behind installing a new OS and trying to figure out how it works, then this is an awesome device to have.
[15:11] <shiznebit> lol
[15:12] <shiznebit> very true
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[15:29] <shiznebit> yeah seriously
[15:30] <shiznebit> on the tb
[15:30] <shiznebit> yeah
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[15:30] <shiznebit> with the tablet
[15:31] <shiznebit> pressing down goes down
[15:31] <shiznebit> lol
[15:32] <andrewgodwin> I can't bear using FF, midori is much better
[15:32] <shiznebit> Macer, that happens in terminal too
[15:32] <shiznebit> midori cant play flash
[15:32] <shiznebit> and i cant find the hosts file
[15:32] <shiznebit> to block out ads
[15:33] <shiznebit> lol
[15:33] <shiznebit> i noticed
[15:33] <shiznebit> anyone know where the hosts file is at ?
[15:33] <shiznebit> Macer, how did you get youtube to rub on midori
[15:34] <shiznebit> run*
[15:37] <shiznebit> Macer, my battery is finally green
[15:37] <shiznebit> heh
[15:38] <shiznebit> Macer, where are you gonna host the image ?
[15:39] <andrewgodwin> two days to go green? o_o
[15:39] <andrewgodwin> mine's never gone green
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[15:40] <shiznebit> dont test
[15:40] <shiznebit> just put it up
[15:40] <shiznebit> :P
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[15:42] <shiznebit> damn
[15:42] <shiznebit> break.com doesn't work
[15:44] <shiznebit> something really is broken with the metet
[15:44] <shiznebit> battery meter
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[15:45] <shiznebit> FOr Bottom, PS_Voltage = 4108, PS_Current = 0
[15:46] <shiznebit> FOr TOP, PS_Voltage = 3998, PS_Current = 3417
[15:46] <shiznebit> that doesn't make sense
[15:46] <shiznebit> and how does that add to 18000mAh
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[15:48] <andrewgodwin> shiznebit: the meters rarely make sense
[15:48] <andrewgodwin> my top battery is usually DISCHARGING while it's mounted on a plugged-in keyboard
[15:48] <shiznebit> hahah
[15:49] <andrewgodwin> problem is, I'm not sure that's a lie
[15:49] <shiznebit> then how do you know if it is charged
[15:49] <andrewgodwin> since my tablet portion does eventually run out even while on the charged keyb
[15:49] <shiznebit> huh
[15:49] <andrewgodwin> basically, I don't :/
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[15:49] <andrewgodwin> I suspect my power adapter's not giving enough juice
[15:50] <andrewgodwin> that, or the TB isn't requesting enough
[15:50] <shiznebit> how would one test that
[15:50] <andrewgodwin> with an ammeter
[15:50] <andrewgodwin> well, one that works
[15:50] <shiznebit> mturquette, said he had a frankenstien thing setup
[15:50] <andrewgodwin> the one I tried at work claimed it was drawing 0.07A
[15:50] <shiznebit> oO
[15:51] <shiznebit> something is broken
[15:51] <andrewgodwin> yes, that ammeter
[15:51] <andrewgodwin> because it definitely charges by some amount
[15:51] <andrewgodwin> I'll try the inductive one on friday
[15:52] <andrewgodwin> but I wonder if the switching power supply doesn't provide the full 3.5A if it's on 240v
[15:52] <mturquette> shiznebit: not for touchbook.
[15:52] <mturquette> i have a sweet rig for measuring consumption on Zoom2 though.
[15:53] <shiznebit> umm
[15:53] <mturquette> and yes, its a frankenboard. completely scary to look at.
[15:53] <shiznebit> can't do it on the TB
[15:53] <andrewgodwin> hah, my lower battery is getting "-78" current
[15:53] <shiznebit> lol
[15:53] <mturquette> shiznebit: depends on what "it" is. i'm coming into this conversation late. what is the issue?
[15:53] <andrewgodwin> the top one has 23
[15:53] <shiznebit> you've broken physics
[15:53] <andrewgodwin> of whatever unit that is
[15:54] <andrewgodwin> yup, my TB magically makes current
[15:54] <andrewgodwin> or so it claims
[15:54] <shiznebit> mturquette, what the draw of the adapter actually is
[15:54] <shiznebit> and what the draw of the TB is
[15:55] <andrewgodwin> ah, interesting
[15:55] <andrewgodwin> the top half when plugged in directly says it gets "3417" current
[15:55] <andrewgodwin> that, I believe
[15:55] <shiznebit> thats food
[15:55] <shiznebit> good*
[15:55] <andrewgodwin> indeed
[15:56] <andrewgodwin> so my adapter isn't duff, it's presumably the charging logic
[15:56] <andrewgodwin> let's hope that's software
[15:56] <mturquette> invest in a "watts up" meter to measure total device consumption ;-)
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[15:57] <mturquette> there is some cool gnome integration for it already:
[15:57] <shiznebit> hmm
[15:57] <mturquette> http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2008/11/09/gnome-power-manager-and-devicekit-power/
[15:57] <shiznebit> i get 3307
[15:57] <shiznebit> but only 4v
[15:58] <mturquette> 4v isn't unbelievable, depending on where you're measuing from.
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[15:58] <mturquette> most of the core OMAP stuff is powered by VDD1 and VDD2 rails which I don't think ever get above 1.8v, and the rest (MMC, etc) come from VIO which I don't think ever exceeds 4v.
[15:59] <shiznebit> but the status still says charging
[15:59] <mturquette> is 4v your drain rate or your charge rate?
[15:59] <shiznebit> PS_Voltage = 4v
[15:59] <shiznebit> PS_Voltage_Now = 4v
[15:59] <shiznebit> idk what that is indicating
[16:00] <shiznebit> im guessing incoming
[16:00] <mturquette> me neither. are you cat'ing something in sysfs to get that value?
[16:00] <shiznebit> so its using 1v :-?
[16:00] <shiznebit> so its using 1v :-/
[16:00] <shiznebit> im using ./scripts/top_battery.sh
[16:01] <mturquette> not familiar with it. does it ship by default iwth tb?
[16:01] <andrewgodwin> no, it's something on the forums
[16:01] <andrewgodwin> it just looks in /sys/
[16:02] <mturquette> i don't think that the bci driver part has ever gotten fully worked out.
[16:02] <mturquette> and the sysfs entries might not even been human readable, even if they give back the correct info (but they probably don't do that yet)
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[16:03] <shiznebit> it would be nice to know the max draw of the device
[16:03] <andrewgodwin> mturquette: yeah, they need a bit of work
[16:03] <shiznebit> so atleast to predict the max time needed to charge
[16:03] <andrewgodwin> shiznebit: I'll stick my _other_ ammeter on the adapter when I get a chance :)
[16:04] <shiznebit> yeah go poke around
[16:04] <shiznebit> see what you find
[16:04] <andrewgodwin> although considering my laptop battery got to 106% last time I was in the US, european power is clearly inferior
[16:04] <shiznebit> O_O
[16:04] <mturquette> God Bless America!
[16:04] <shiznebit> physics doesn't seem to apply to _you_
[16:05] <andrewgodwin> shiznebit: I'm clearly in the wrong universe
[16:06] <andrewgodwin> anyone know what script runs the TB's X session?
[16:06] <andrewgodwin> I want to replace XFCE's panel with my new one
[16:08] <andrewgodwin> ah, got it
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[16:09] <mkxxxc> Can I use mobile internet dongle ?
[16:09] <mkxxxc> .
[16:10] <viridior> mkxxxc: very doubtful
[16:10] <viridior> mkxxxc: unless the company provides linux drivers that aren't x86 dependant
[16:10] <viridior> mkxxxc: i can tell you that Verizon is a no-go
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[16:11] <viridior> mkxxxc: however if you are doing bluetooth tethering it should work fine
[16:12] <mjr> "very doubtful" seems a bit hasty unless it's a highly proprietary solution
[16:12] <mjr> many UMTS sticks work fine on one of the usb serial drivers
[16:13] <mjr> (on GNU/Linux generally, I can't speak for the TouchBook hardware, if it might have problems due to the sticks being power-hungry)
[16:13] <viridior> really depends on what service you are going with
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[16:15] <viridior> mkxxxc: what device are you plan on using?
[16:16] <shiznebit> he wants real player on ARM :P
[16:16] <viridior> :/
[16:17] <shiznebit> mkxxxc, i magnetically connected my g1 and my tb
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[16:17] <shiznebit> and i set up tethering with enc
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[16:29] <mkxxxc> Modem HUWAEI E180
[16:29] <mkxxxc> http://www.betavine.net/bvportal/forums/index.html?threadId=551
[16:29] <mjr> is that an UMTS stick or something else?
[16:30] <mjr> I've a Huawei E169 which works fine in Linux and some other models I also know for a fact to work but I don't know spesifically about 180
[16:30] <mjr> (and again, I have no TB hardware to test with)
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[16:31] <mjr> quick googling would seem to indicate that E180 does also work
[16:31] <mkxxxc> I tested 180 on Linux and works ok but I also dont have any ARM toy to play
[16:31] <mjr> (some messages imply some tinkering being required, but that may or may not be the current case)
[16:32] <mjr> right
[16:32] <mjr> well, the ARM thing doesn't really matter
[16:32] <shiznebit> if you can get the modules compiled i think it should work
[16:32] <viridior> mjr: slow down, are there open drivers or proprietary drivers requiring ndiswrapper?
[16:33] <mjr> but some people have had issues with especially power-hungry USB peripherals, which an UMTS stick is, with the TouchBook, so...
[16:33] <mjr> viridior, free drivers, the sticks are visible as ttys you can dial up a ppp link over
[16:35] <viridior> mkxxxc: specifically, you need CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_GENERIC=y and http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
[16:36] <viridior> so generic usb->serial driver already available from kernel, if i remember correctly it isn't pre-compiled with AI's kernel so you may need to do that
[16:37] <mjr> viridior, also I haven't needed usb_modeswitch for about a year, it's possible that's done on a lower level for recognized sticks (or then my Ubuntu's udev/hal does the same thing automagically through some other similar utility)
[16:37] <viridior> creates /dev/ttyUSB which then can be set up as the networking device, not sure how Angstrom does networking config, but plenty of people around here do
[16:37] <viridior> mjr: good to know
[16:38] <viridior> mkxxxc: keep the usb_modeswitch in your pocket if you don't seem to get the device automatically recognized after loading usb-serial module
[16:38] <mjr> (grepped /etc for huawei, didn't find stuff, slightly reinforces the idea that the kernel driver actually has logic to do that for some of these devices)
[16:39] <mjr> yeah, usb_modeswitch is still good to know about
[16:39] <mkxxxc> thx
[16:39] <viridior> np, looks like your in business
[16:40] <shiznebit> how much do you think it draws
[16:40] <mjr> the docs say it should stay within usb spec limits, of course. Don't know for certain.
[16:41] <mjr> I would be interested as well in somebody testing out an UMTS stick on the TB :]
[16:41] <shiznebit> definetly sounds compeling
[16:42] <shiznebit> ill wait for the image Meizirkki is uping to Macer
[16:42] * viridior is still compiling e17, going to be a long night ;)
[16:43] <shiznebit> hopefully if it all works out well, ill try the UMTS
[16:43] <shiznebit> that should prove interesting
[16:43] <shiznebit> btw how does it work with 3G
[16:43] <shiznebit> do you need to add a sim ?
[16:44] <mjr> 3G is a blanket marketing term; for UMTS and derivatives, yes you do need a SIM card
[16:44] <mjr> (for (more) proprietary 3G networks, may or may not apply, but in this case it is UMTS we're talking about)
[16:45] <shiznebit> okay so i could stick my Tmobile sim and get 3G?
[16:45] <shiznebit> sweet
[16:45] <mjr> presumably, if your Tmobile service includes some data package
[16:46] <mjr> (or some probably exorbitant traffic-based pricing if lacking a packge ;)
[16:47] <mjr> anyway, the feature needs to be enabled in your service in some way, of course, but otherwise you should be good to go
[16:48] <shiznebit> so all thats left is getting the thing
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[17:15] <shiznebit> Macer thats what i do atm
[17:15] <shiznebit> it
[17:15] <shiznebit> it'd be nice not eat my battery
[17:15] <mjr> the driver and sim things were pretty much covered
[17:16] <mjr> I haven't actually heard of any 3g stick that _wouldn't_ have drivers, but granted, I'm in Europe, where vendor-spesific mobile networks aren't the norm
[17:16] <mjr> Macer, that means exactly dick when in practice they work via off-the-shelf usb tty interfaces
[17:17] <shiznebit> Macer, okay
[17:17] <viridior> Macer: we talked about this earlier, his device is support: ^^^
[17:17] <viridior> err... supported
[17:18] <viridior> yeah, he can use the generic usb->serial module to enable a /dev/ttyUSB0 interface
[17:19] <viridior> yes, but dont know what that is
[17:19] * viridior is afk
[17:19] <shiznebit> Macer, time left ?
[17:19] <mjr> you're thinking of rs-232
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[17:20] <mjr> even if it acts like a serial tty, it doesn't need to be artificially limited in speed
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[17:22] <mjr> cdc_acm or usbserial/option, yes
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[17:22] <alongst> I have been using a umts stick (HUAWEI E620) on my dell inspiron running arch linux without any problems, using wvdial which calls pppd. Yet to try this on the touchbook, but will do so soon.
[17:22] <shiznebit> alongst would interesting to hear the result
[17:23] <alongst> me too
[17:23] <mjr> well, there's the complication that many if not most devices need to have their mode switched from a windows driver cd emulator into the umts modem mode, in the old-fashioned way via usb_modeswitch or for known devices more automagically
[17:23] <mjr> as was also discussed before
[17:24] <shiznebit> WOW !
[17:25] <shiznebit> yeah
[17:25] <shiznebit> _hopefully_
[17:25] <shiznebit> is dling directly to your server ?
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[17:39] <shiznebit> COMEON O
[17:39] <shiznebit> zomg
[17:40] <shiznebit> bt it ?
[17:40] <shiznebit> :P
[17:41] <shiznebit> its dling right now
[17:41] <shiznebit> heh much faster than 12KB/s
[17:41] <shiznebit> 645KB/s
[17:42] <shiznebit> went as high as 1 MB/s
[17:42] <shiznebit> im on wireless
[17:42] <shiznebit> my pipe is being shared btw me and my neighbors
[17:42] <shiznebit> they might be using it
[17:54] <shiznebit> yeah
[18:00] <shiznebit> Macer, i got's an error :-/
[18:02] <shiznebit> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[18:06] <shiznebit> nvm
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[18:09] <shiznebit> nice how is it
[18:12] <shiznebit> ??
[18:22] <alongst> anyone tried an "opkg install g++" on the touchbook default os? is it safe?
[18:24] <shiznebit> Macer, heh
[18:25] <shiznebit> now the big thing
[18:25] <shiznebit> sleep
[18:25] <shiznebit> they don't
[18:25] <shiznebit> its always off
[18:25] <shiznebit> LMAO
[18:25] <shiznebit> ahahahah
[18:26] <shiznebit> great to know technology has progressed
[18:26] <shiznebit> yeah most likely
[18:31] <shiznebit> so can it standby
[18:32] <shiznebit> lolo
[18:33] <shiznebit> middle of god know where
[18:33] <shiznebit> the pacific ocean
[18:41] <alongst> btw, I remember someone saying there is no pgup/pgdn keys - it seems fn+up and fn+down arrows does the trick.
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[18:45] <shiznebit> yeah
[18:45] <shiznebit> it was mapped to that
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[18:51] <wgraham_tb> brb
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[19:57] <viridior> anyone here happen to play with binutils-2.20?
[20:03] <viridior> pupnik: have you messed around with Mer?
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[20:26] <UMC> that's cool
[20:26] <UMC> Macer: so how is it ?
[20:26] <viridior> night all
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[20:33] <gusto> can you still put it to sleep
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[20:57] <alongst> I triggered a division by zero bug when trying to setup ad-hoc between my laptop and touchbook. It worked for some time, then stopped. The kernel log (dmesg) is full of "Division by zero in kernel" in RtmpUSBMgmtKickOut+0x0/0x14c in rt3070stal module - anyone has any clue about it? (doesn't appear on bugzilla afaict)
[20:58] <tommd> alongst: The rt3070 "driver" looks very closed to me so there's probably little that can be done about it. Honesty I was a bit surprised to see the rt3070 in the TB because it looked so closed.
[21:02] <alongst> tommd - is it one of the dongles in the case or is it on the motherboard?
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[22:40] <Corsac> alongst: dongle in the case
[22:53] <alongst> Corsac: thanks. in that case someone needs to find a wireless dongle small enough to replace it (I'll be looking out for one)
[22:53] <alongst> of a different chipset of course
[22:55] <Corsac> alongst: what's the problem with ralink?
[22:55] <Corsac> there's free driver with non-free firmware, a bit like every wifi card
[22:59] <Meizirkki> sudo echo 100 > /sys/class/backlight/touchbook/brightness
[22:59] <Meizirkki> :)
[22:59] <dpb> that wont work
[23:00] <dpb> it's only do that echo 100 with sudo, the rest is done by normal user..
[23:00] <dpb> what? that worked for you?
[23:00] <dpb> you ran that command with the normal user? not root?
[23:00] <Meizirkki> Macer, powerdevil plasma apple t is able to change brightness :)
[23:01] <Meizirkki> it's one of the default widgets
[23:01] <Meizirkki> comes ehn you install kde-minimal
[23:01] <dpb> well that's weird, using > will not use sudo..
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[23:07] <ratonk__> it couldn't boot at all
[23:08] <Meizirkki> Macer, power control?
[23:08] <Meizirkki> Macer, the applet with bettries should be there..
[23:08] <Meizirkki> a
[23:09] <Meizirkki> how did you install it?
[23:09] <Meizirkki> (the kde)
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[23:10] <Meizirkki> and there is no batteries in the panel?
[23:12] <Meizirkki> same here
[23:12] <Corsac> ok, btw the sd-card.gz dd'ed sdcard won't boot either
[23:12] <Corsac> so I guess it's just crap
[23:12] <Corsac> :(
[23:12] <Corsac> weird though it boot fine in n810
[23:12] <Meizirkki> Corsac, O_O
[23:14] <Corsac> yep
[23:14] <Corsac> maybe n810 is too sensitive
[23:14] <Corsac> hhm in fact no, unrelated, n810 has a bootloader
[23:14] <Corsac> where you can chose the part where the kernel is located
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[23:31] <Meizirkki> Macer, i haven't tried to build kernel again..
[23:31] <Meizirkki> is was a mess
[23:32] <Stskeeps> i hope OBS finished building kernel
[23:33] <Meizirkki> great
[23:38] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: OBS finished building the kernel
[23:39] <Meizirkki> Macer, :D
[23:39] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, i go test it :)
[23:41] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: you need to make the zimage into a uimage first
[23:42] <Meizirkki> how do i do that?
[23:43] <Stskeeps> Meizirkki: sec
[23:43] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, i just rename?
[23:44] <Meizirkki> ah, ok
[23:45] <Stskeeps> you grab uboot-mkimage package
[23:45] <Corsac> Macer: check you have rights to redistributes the /etc/Wireless and /lib/firmware stuff
[23:45] <Stskeeps> should be in karmic
[23:47] <Stskeeps> go check about ralink.. they are more sane i think
[23:49] * Meizirkki is once again trying to get accelerated xorg..
[23:50] <Corsac> Macer: that's not exactly what I expect though
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[23:50] <Corsac> Macer: personnaly, as a free software guy, I try to respect other people licenses
[23:50] <Corsac> even if it's proprietary
[23:51] <Corsac> I don't really like when people don't respect the license I put my stuff on, so I try to not do that for other people
[23:51] <Stskeeps> better than a c&d
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[23:52] <Corsac> 2009-10-22 08:54:14 (641 KB/s) - ???TBuntu_LXDE_9.10.tar.bz2??? saved [267214054/267214054]
[23:52] <Corsac> cool.
[23:53] <Corsac> now, an sdcard
[23:53] <Corsac> :/
[23:53] <Corsac> http://www.rue-montgallet.com/prix/acheter,silicon-power-sdhc-8go-class-6,105651 seems a good idea
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[23:59] <Meizirkki> Stskeeps, the kernel has cpufreq ?

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