#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-13

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:48] <Stskeeps> hmm. any special parameters touchbook squashfs is generated with?
[0:53] <Meiz_n810> http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/OS_architecture http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Booting
[0:54] <Meiz_n810> dunno if those contain anything useful
[0:56] <Meiz_n810> USPS Traking service is working again !
[0:56] <andrewgodwin> yup, and apparently my package has "left the US"
[0:56] <Meiz_n810> mine too
[0:56] <andrewgodwin> it's also not arrived in the UK, so it's probably in Customs somewhere...
[0:58] <Meiz_n810> did you ask from your national postal service?
[0:58] <Meiz_n810> if it has arrived
[0:58] * Meiz_n810 doesn't think the USPS site is being updated when it's night in the US
[0:59] <Eruquen> I'd say it's completely automatic
[1:00] <Meiz_n810> k
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[1:08] <Corsac> Your item left the United States from ISC SAN FRANCISCO (USPS) at 9:50 AM on October 11, 2009
[1:09] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: creating a SquashFS Mer?
[1:09] <Stskeeps> DJWillis: attempting to port to touchbook to make some people happy
[1:10] <Corsac> Meiz_n810: btw I don't think any local postal service will have information about a USPS package
[1:10] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: sounds like a good plan to me, need to try the latest Sprint on the Pandora again, I thing a regression or two crept in when I last checked.
[1:11] <Stskeeps> DJWillis: we're moving to the GL based desktop in 0.17, so it would probably be really sweet on touchbook
[1:11] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: :-o, yep, I suspect that would be VERY sweet
[1:12] <Stskeeps> http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/polished2.png - 100% oss, from a n8x0
[1:12] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: won't that kill off a lot of older device support? Or will it be optional?
[1:12] <Stskeeps> well, the background not oss but..
[1:12] <Stskeeps> TI is publishing MBX drivers for omap2 in two weeks
[1:12] <Stskeeps> that helps a lot
[1:13] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: true, getting that sorted, or at least mostly sorted, was a major win.
[1:13] <Stskeeps> but we are going to have a lofi desktop too
[1:14] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: so Mer is offically better than Maemo4 on the N8xx ;-)
[1:14] <Corsac> Stskeeps: ok that's why the next release is being hold off?
[1:15] <Corsac> held*
[1:15] <Corsac> (for a moment I thought I was on #maemo :) )
[1:15] <Stskeeps> Corsac: nah, thats OBS scrrewing up :/
[1:15] <Corsac> obs?
[1:15] <Stskeeps> it was supposed to be out last week, its just not done building yet
[1:16] <Corsac> wow
[1:16] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: as for booting, you could go down the Beagle route and bundle x-load/u-boot and a boot script with an EXTx 2nd partition, no need to use SFS as I guess people would install to a 2nd SD anyway.
[1:16] <Corsac> (it's been ages since I didn't boot my mer :/)
[1:16] <Stskeeps> DJWillis: yeah.. i just want a quick proof of concept to make a proper port :)
[1:16] <Corsac> Gr??goire advised to use the TBOS kernel with external rootfs for now
[1:17] <DJWillis> Corsac: should run, that's pretty much all I do on the Pandora ;-)
[1:18] <Corsac> for Mer you mean?
[1:18] <Stskeeps> thought there was some nasty aufs tricks in tbos kernel
[1:18] <Corsac> or you run the TBOS on Pandora?
[1:18] <Corsac> (might make sense to try to rebuild some moblin stuff for armel too)
[1:19] <DJWillis> Corsac: for Mer I mean, that said, most of the TBOS boots, just not messed with it as I have no desire to run that on the Pandora, better on it's own hardware ;-)
[1:19] <Corsac> I'll try that when I'll have a debian running
[1:20] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: is AUFS not just a module in the TBOS kernel?
[1:21] <Stskeeps> well, the bootargs confused me.. it claims it will aufs the squashfs and ext3 partition
[1:22] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: that seems reasonable, hmmm, this is where not haveing a TB puts me at a disadvantage ;-)
[1:22] <Stskeeps> join the club
[1:22] <Stskeeps> there's nothing more fun than porting remotely
[1:25] <DJWillis> Stskeeps: ;-)
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[1:33] <Meiz_n810> I'd prefer ubuntu kernel with AI patches over the AI kernel as it doesn't support cpu frequency changing
[1:33] <Meiz_n810> (with Mer)
[1:35] <Meiz_n810> ubuntu kernel has the whatever driver for that :)
[1:38] <DJWillis> Ubuntu kernel is built of the linux-omap-pm branch?
[1:38] <Corsac> I wouldn't really trust an ubuntu kernel
[1:38] <Corsac> but that's with my scared-by-ubuntu-mess debian hat
[1:39] <Meiz_n810> ubuntu beagleboard kernel is based on the Angstom kernel
[1:40] <DJWillis> Meiz_n810: there are a LOT of OMAP3 Angstrom kernels ;-)
[1:48] <Meiz_n810> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-stable/annotate/head:/sync_angstrom_patches.sh
[1:48] <Meiz_n810> openembedded
[1:49] <Corsac> isn't those tree supposed to be merged mainline at one point?
[1:49] <Corsac> arent*
[1:49] <Corsac> (rah)
[2:01] <Meiz_n810> ubuntu tweaks are not sent upstream
[2:03] <andrewgodwin> Meiz_n810: I did ask my national postal service, they claim it's "with the americans"
[2:04] <andrewgodwin> as soon as it gets past customs, their tracking will work
[2:04] <Meiz_n810> ok
[2:12] <Corsac> with the USPS tracking number?
[2:14] <blunderer> Corsac: you did receive the USPS tracking number? and you're from France?
[2:15] <Corsac> USPS fucked up the mail sending
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[2:16] <geist> mine came in a day
[2:16] <geist> of course, i live about 10 miles from where it originated
[2:16] <Corsac> :)
[2:18] <vti> i live in germany and i've preordered it in july, just filled out the form that i don't mind to get a beta software, what are the chances of getting it soon? :)
[2:18] <Corsac> none
[2:18] <vti> this year?
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[2:19] <Corsac> maybe :)
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[2:19] <vti> ok, thanks
[2:21] * vti is crying
[2:21] <Corsac> vti: btw it's not just "not being scared of beta software"
[2:22] <Corsac> it's about helping AI and the community to debug the os, submit bugs, fix them, participate in the community etc.
[2:22] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: yes, with the USPS number
[2:23] <andrewgodwin> USPS international delivery simply injects the parcel into the national postal service the other end
[2:23] <andrewgodwin> they all share a database
[2:23] <vti> Corsac: i can submit bugs, i always do that actually, and i program for embedded linux devices
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[3:35] <mkxc> ,
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[5:23] <mkxc> Hi. Do You know any TVDongle for linux ?
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[5:25] <Corsac> mkxc: look in the wiki
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[7:28] <Corsac> Track & Confirm is temporarily unavailable.
[7:28] <Corsac> We apologize for any inconvenience this might cause.
[7:28] <Corsac> mpf.
[7:29] <andrewgodwin> Corsac: it's like a million tacking-obsessed people cried out at once...
[7:30] * drantin places thumbtacks in andrewgodwin's chair
[7:30] <andrewgodwin> just because I can't spell
[7:31] <DJWillis> Any OpenEmbedded people want to help with XFCE 4.6.1 work?
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[7:33] <Corsac> DJWillis: I don't really know if there's much OE people around :)
[7:33] <Corsac> though I'm definitely willing to give some help when I receive mine
[7:33] <Corsac> (I'm the Debian Xfce maintainer)
[7:37] <DJWillis> Corsac: as you mentioned before :-), just sent some RCF patches for XFCE to oe-devel, I know I have a few packaging issues I need to clean up. I only ask as the TBOS is XFCE so someone at AI may have been interested (A really unsubtle way of asking assuming they read logs ;-))
[7:37] <Corsac> DJWillis: btw Gr??goire asked me about 4.6 not so long ago
[7:37] <Corsac> but there might be regressions users are not really prepared to assume
[7:37] <Corsac> (especially the non-editable menu stuff)
[7:41] <DJWillis> Corsac: I did mail AI about it (asking if they had been working on it before I started) but did not get a reply to that one. I guess I may be part of the 'wrong' team ;-), not sure.
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[7:51] <Brizzyce> Has anyone else selected for the most recent batch not received a tracking number yet? I got my confirmation email on Oct 1, but nothing since then.
[7:51] <Corsac> Brizzyce: international?
[7:52] <Brizzyce> Yeah, Canada
[7:52] <Brizzyce> It's a shame since I'm about a half hour drive from the states, but I can't really blame AI or UPS for that
[7:52] <andrewgodwin> Brizzyce: USPS screwed up the trackin emails
[7:52] <andrewgodwin> email AI with your order ref, they'll give you your tracking code
[7:52] <Corsac> Brizzyce: https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=306
[7:53] <Brizzyce> Ah, thanks.
[7:53] <Brizzyce> Ooh, so hopefully it will already have been sent out
[7:57] <andrewgodwin> Brizzyce: most likely. And unlike mine, yours has no long plane trip involved!
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[8:02] <Corsac> well, I guess it has already left the US, it's just not yet arrived ;p
[8:07] <Brizzyce> So what are some first impressions? Is the tipping issue really that bad? After reading some of the irc logs I get the feeling that there are some serious software kinks, but until those are worked out I don't really plan on using it for anything other than typing notes and checking emails and the like.
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[8:16] <Meizirkki> Brizzyce, see this: http://innovatingtouch.com/index.php?topic=33.0
[8:16] <Meizirkki> My TB left U.S. two days ago, is it possible that it could already be here in Finland (Anyone having experiences of ordering anything from the other side of the atlantic? :) )
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[8:21] <vti> Corsac: is there any way if my friend in US will pick up my preordered touchbook? or it is only available through shipping and queue? thanks
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[8:45] <Corsac> vti: no idea (I'm not directly involved with AI)
[8:45] <Corsac> but I guess it's doable
[8:45] <Corsac> are you already in a batch?
[8:45] <vti> Corsac: batch?
[8:45] <Corsac> did you even pre-ordered yet?
[8:46] <vti> i've preordered in july
[8:46] <Corsac> Meizirkki: I think all international TB have left USA
[8:46] <Corsac> Meizirkki: but no news since :)
[8:47] <vti> Corsac: or please point me to the correct email/submission form where to ask about this
[8:48] <blunderer> Corsac: not all international
[8:52] <Corsac> vti: contact@ or support@ I guess
[8:52] <Corsac> blunderer: how do you know?
[8:52] <Corsac> blunderer: I meant all ???september batch??? international, though
[8:53] <blunderer> mine isn't at least, even if I had my credit card charged
[8:53] <Corsac> blunderer: yes it has
[8:53] <Corsac> blunderer: you just didn't receive the usps mail because USPS fucked up
[8:53] <blunderer> Corsac: you think so? It would be great
[8:54] <Corsac> blunderer: basically if your card has been charged, you need to mail support@ to get your tracking number
[8:54] <blunderer> I did
[8:54] <Corsac> https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=306
[8:54] <blunderer> and I'm still waiting
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[8:59] <Corsac> blunderer: though you dont miss much, USPS tracking is *again* borken
[9:00] <blunderer> :-D
[9:06] <Corsac> Bad Request
[9:06] <Corsac> Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand.
[9:06] <Corsac> Reference #7.547af6d8.1255450060.0
[9:06] <Corsac> OK PEOPLE
[9:06] <Corsac> stop refreshing usps website
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[9:14] <rrebel> tommd1: Hi from reddit.
[9:15] <rrebel> tommd1: you might want to check the IRC logs, there has been some good information recently. Esp end of last week.
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[9:36] <alexandre_> Hi all
[9:36] <alexandre_> for international orders, please read http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=315
[9:45] <tommd1> rrebel: hello!
[9:46] <rrebel> tommd1: Hiya.
[9:46] <tommd1> So you have an OE environment setup?
[9:46] <rrebel> Yup.
[9:47] * tommd1 is now known as tommd
[9:47] <rrebel> I started out because I wanted SSHD.
[9:47] <tommd> SSHD?
[9:47] <rrebel> And a later build of fennec.
[9:47] <rrebel> secure shell daemon
[9:47] <rrebel> For inbound SSH.
[9:47] <rrebel> the tb distro doesn't include the server, just the dropbear ssh client.
[9:47] <tommd> I've a OE setup too but not sure the correct target (just beagle board?) and would like a repo with the code/bb files for the AI programs such as screen rotation.
[9:48] <rrebel> That stuff is all in the wiki.
[9:48] <rrebel> Including the TB sourcecode.
[9:48] <tommd> Yes, I know.
[9:48] <tommd> Except the OE configuration - I lent my configuration to the guy who make the "cross compiling" page and as such have no confidence it is correct.
[9:49] <rrebel> lent?
[9:49] <rrebel> Hang on, I"ll give you mine.
[9:50] <rrebel> http://www.pastie.org/653194
[9:50] <tommd> Cool, thanks
[9:51] <tommd> Do you have a way setup to build an AI-OS image using OE or are you just building individual programs?
[9:51] <rrebel> that was discussed briefly here in the logs a few days ago.
[9:51] <rrebel> I haven't done it yet, but others have.
[9:51] <tommd> It was you! You or someone else changed the cross compile page to have "omap3-touchbook" in the config.
[9:52] <rrebel> I was going to see if I had time to do a recipe for kernel 2.6.32.
[9:52] <tommd> How does that work? My OE doesn't define "omap3-touchbook" as valid.
[9:52] <rrebel> Did you follow the instructions on the wiki for getting started?
[9:53] <rrebel> That's all I did, and it worked fine.
[9:53] <tommd> humm, I'll try that. I had setup OE long ago - before the wiki had such instructions.
[9:53] <tommd> So I used the OE wiki.
[9:53] <rrebel> BTW, the build process with bitbake bootstraps itself an entire cross development toolchain when you first bake something.
[9:54] <rrebel> No I think it's on the AI wiki.
[9:54] <tommd> Yeah, I've baked several Angstrom images and used them in qemu
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[9:55] <rrebel> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Cross_Compiler
[9:56] <rrebel> This link is kind of useful since the Wiki has several orphaned pages that are important: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Special:LonelyPages
[9:59] <tommd> Ok, I should got send my keyboard back now (bad mouse button). Thanks rrebel.
[9:59] <rrebel> So far I have seen interesting discussion from Macer, Meizirkki shtylman and DJWillis.
[9:59] <rrebel> tommd: no problemo. ttyl
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[10:17] <Meizirkki> Eh.. nice picture here: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Board
[10:17] <Meizirkki> with the description "This is a picture of the Touch Book board (revision B).
[10:17] <Corsac> wiki is full of nice information
[10:18] <Meizirkki> however, when you press the pic you find you the filename is Rev-A
[10:18] <Meizirkki> but i guess they look completely similar
[10:19] <Meizirkki> :)
[10:21] <Meizirkki> So i heard TB uses tslib, but the xorg.conf says the driver is evdev
[10:21] <Meizirkki> is the tslib only for calibrating and such?
[10:22] <Meizirkki> ah, i got it
[10:22] <Meizirkki> so the touchbook uses evdev normally, but someone who wrote this http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Touchscreen_calibration installed tslib, which is working better :)
[10:30] <Meizirkki> I really like that AI decided to use LED backlight for the screen :)
[10:31] <Meizirkki> it's brighter and saves power :)
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[11:20] <tommd> How do you work around or fix this bitbake issue:
[11:20] <tommd> "Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['rt3070']"
[11:26] <tommd> Ahh, new kernel from the wiki (a zip file? really?) got it.
[11:27] <tommd> oh, no, that wasn't it at all.
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[11:32] <tommd> There we are - wifi wasn't linked under the development category.
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[14:49] <zooko> Any assembly wizards want to contribute to the world's store of crypto knowledge by implementing a SHA-3 candidate or two optimized for the ARM architecture?
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[20:14] <MADgood> any chance of World of Goo working on the touch book :'(?
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[20:46] <TomMD> Anyone else using Cellwrighter?
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