#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-10

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[0:04] <Meizirkki> I tried to compile Chromium for Ubuntu arm once
[0:04] <Meizirkki> it was a disastear
[0:05] <Meizirkki> *sigh*
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[0:45] <Meizirkki> swfdeck is better
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[1:19] <Corsac> Macer: can you tell me what was the ???From:??? for the email announcing the tracking number?
[1:21] <Corsac> yeah but I'd very interested though
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[4:19] <Corsac> Macer: so?
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[8:25] <Managu> might be kinda tough to play with no buttons
[8:26] <Corsac> accelerometer, remember :)
[8:26] <Meizirkki> O_o
[8:26] <Managu> I suppose there's that. Kinda like the iPhone Wolf3D port. Though, IIRC, that made use of multi-touch
[8:26] <Meizirkki> I just started getting interested in OpenArena
[8:27] <Meizirkki> with the accelerometer
[8:27] <Meizirkki> that would be, hmm, ..interesting
[8:33] <DJWillis> Macer: no need to port it, just run the Pandora code base on the Touchbook, hell, I think it even may already be in OpenEmbedded with the patches for the PowerVR SGX OGLES.
[8:35] <DJWillis> Macer: bitbake quake3-pandora-gles should get you a working binary for the touchbook ;)
[8:38] <martinh> i think we need to get libraries for pandora so we can just run the apps.
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[8:40] <shtylman> anyone got a few pointers about how to build the kernel? do I need to pull the entire openembeeded git repo and apply the patch files on top? and once I have done that... is there a way to specify whcih version of the omap kernel to build?
[8:42] <rrebel> DJWillis: Remember my pastie from yesterday about the broken bitbake on openssl-native? Someone fixed it, I just did a pull and was able to build it.
[8:42] <rrebel> shtylman: I haven't gotten to it yet, but in the wiki is a download recipe for building the kernel.
[8:43] <rrebel> shtylman: and yes, you'll need to clone the repo.
[8:43] <DJWillis> rrebel: yep, I looked into that, it was the cosmetic change to set linux to linux-gnu that broke it (that was reverted so your now fixed) ;-)
[8:43] <shtylman> yea...I got the recipie and whatnot and applied it to the repo
[8:43] <shtylman> im just curious if I can build just that *one* recipie
[8:43] <shtylman> and do I need to install gcc-cross or will it build it for me?
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[8:44] <rrebel> DJWillis: I saw someone committed that change. I wondered if it was you.
[8:44] <rrebel> shtylman: It'll bootstrap the entire x-dev system
[8:44] <rrebel> shtylman: It takes a while, but it'll eventually start building the kernel.
[8:45] <shtylman> rrebel: so bitbake linux-omap is all I should need to run?
[8:45] <shtylman> or is there a better command?
[8:45] <rrebel> shtylman: Yesterday was my first time using bitbake and openembedded and I was like WTF is it doing? Oh, it's building an entire toolchain first.
[8:46] <rrebel> shtylman: If that's the name of the recipe yes.
[8:46] <shtylman> heh... gotcha
[8:46] <rrebel> shtylman: You might try following the little tutorial in the wiki first.
[8:47] <shtylman> yea...ive got it starting to build...it errored out (I followed the open embedded tutorial) and all of that made sense
[8:47] <rrebel> shtylman: It helps if you have fast cpus and disks.
[8:47] <shtylman> I was just wondering if it *had* to build everything
[8:47] <shtylman> rrebel: i do ;)
[8:47] <rrebel> rrebel: Good. I am building on a raid array that's fast, but my dual core athlons aren't that fast.
[8:48] <shtylman> :/ ive got an i7 and the disk is a raid0 with two SSD's
[8:49] <rrebel> shtylman: Nice. I wish I had fulltime work so I could trick out a new machine... Then again, I dont' reallly need another computer.
[8:50] <shtylman> heh
[8:50] <rrebel> 6 is enough.
[8:50] <rrebel> I am starting to worry my friends.
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[9:00] * Meizirkki gets pissed
[9:00] <DJWillis> rrebel: oh no, it was not me who fixed it, more a side product of another fix.
[9:01] <rrebel> DJWillis: ic.
[9:01] <Meizirkki> 1 and a half weeks since my money was taken. o\_/o
[9:01] <Meizirkki> give me the tracking-number !!!!
[9:01] <rrebel> Meizirkki: Yeah, that happened to me
[9:01] <DJWillis> rrebel: I don't like taking credit for others work that's all so I fugured I should make it clear ;-)
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[9:03] <rrebel> Meizirkki: I got the tracking number too, but it sat at thheir "depot" until this past monday, then went out. I got mine 3 days later.
[9:03] <rrebel> DJWillis: Are you expecting a TB soon?
[9:04] <Meiz_n810> rrebel: you live in US?
[9:04] <rrebel> Meiz_n810: Yes.
[9:04] <Corsac> rrebel: can you tell me the ???From??? header from the tracking number email?
[9:05] <rrebel> Corsac: DeliveryConfirmationAlert@uspsshippingapis.com
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[9:05] <Corsac> ok
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[9:12] <DJWillis> rrebel: when I tried to order an early one from Gregoire there was no was we could sort international shipping (I am in the UK), since then things have changed and I can't dump the cash for one right now but I do plan to get one at some point (to go with my other OMAP3 collections ;-))
[9:13] <rrebel> DJWillis: Gotcha.
[9:14] <rrebel> DJWillis: Have you been tinkering with various browsers on your omap3 hardware?
[9:15] <DJWillis> rrebel: quite a lot for the last year or more ;-)
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[9:15] <rrebel> I am developing the opinion that anything FF based is going to be too slow.
[9:15] <rrebel> Midori is usable, but it's web kit based. Fennec is a nightmare and doesn't really work, let alone it'
[9:15] <rrebel> '
[9:16] <rrebel> s slow and FF can even load Reddit.com without barfing on it's jquery
[9:16] <shtylman> I keep getting "Can't locate Autom4te/ChannelDefs.pm in @INC " when trying to build one of the tasks
[9:16] <DJWillis> rrebel: tried recent Fenic builds? But on the whole I tend to agree, hmmm, you cant get reddit up? Hmmm.
[9:17] <rrebel> DJWillis: In FF it comes up with script execution warnings (too long)
[9:17] <rrebel> DJWillis: That's on every page too.
[9:17] <DJWillis> urgg, let me try that on the Pandora later (simialr specs)
[9:19] <rrebel> DJWillis: Do you know of any webkit based browsers with a mobile/touch initiative?
[9:19] <DJWillis> rrebel: a few but not many that really cut it as decent browsers :(
[9:20] <DJWillis> rrebel: back later, phone
[9:23] <robclark> koen: did I hear correctly that you were going to setup a git tree for TB kernel?
[9:28] <shtylman> anyone been able to setup a build env in ubuntu/debian distros?
[9:30] <robclark> shtylman: well, maemo is sort of a debian-ish distro.. it isn't really cross compiled like openembedded/angstrom, but they use QEMU to natively compile all the packages (busybox).. I've never really looked into the details but I guess if you have enough free time it is possible ;-)
[9:30] <robclark> see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-beagle
[9:31] <shtylman> robclark: no.. im not talking about running ubuntu on tb... im having problems building in on my ubuntu box
[9:31] <robclark> ahh, ic
[9:31] <shtylman> but thats for that link...I will keep that around
[9:32] <robclark> well, I use ubuntu to build.. I've not tried rebuilding the whole TB environment yet, although have built poky (an OE derivative)..
[9:32] <robclark> is there a specific problem you run into?
[9:32] <shtylman> yea
[9:32] <shtylman> Can't locate Autom4te/ChannelDefs.pm in @INC
[9:33] <shtylman> I setup the env and ran 'bitbake linux-omap'
[9:33] <shtylman> it gets through 63 of the tasks
[9:33] <shtylman> and fails on the 64th with that error
[9:33] <robclark> I guess some missing perl pre-requisite
[9:34] <shtylman> I was thinking that too... but that file *does* exist in the paths it is looking
[9:34] <shtylman> oh wait...
[9:34] <robclark> I didn't run into that one.. let's see if google has something to say about this..
[9:34] <shtylman> maybe not... maybe there is a stupid cache issue going on here..
[9:34] <rrebel> shtylman: I have mine on an ubuntu machine.
[9:35] <rrebel> I followed the wiki instructions and have built nano, openssh, and right now working on midori
[9:36] <shtylman> I think it is a cache/directory issue
[9:37] <shtylman> I blew away the cache and am gonna try again
[9:37] <robclark> hmm, let me go check the wiki instructions a try a build
[9:37] <shtylman> robclark: tried google already :/
[9:37] <rrebel> When did you pull last?
[9:37] <shtylman> today
[9:37] <shtylman> its not a pull related...its something with my setup
[9:37] <shtylman> cause the directories were off
[9:37] <rrebel> are you using the newest bitbake?
[9:38] <shtylman> no idea... just installed bitbake from repos
[9:38] <rrebel> You need 1.8.12 according to the wiki.
[9:38] <shtylman> thats what I have
[9:38] <shtylman> :)
[9:38] <rrebel> I am using a downloaded copy in my touchbook directory.
[9:39] <shtylman> all good now
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[9:39] <shtylman> it was a cache problem
[9:39] <rrebel> great.
[9:39] <shtylman> I moved some stuff around and didn't blow away the cache
[9:40] <shtylman> woo...now that it is building I can go eat :)
[9:40] <rrebel> How many tasks is it for you to build the kernel?
[9:40] <shtylman> 558
[9:40] <rrebel> Thanks.
[9:40] <rrebel> Midori: 3045
[9:41] <shtylman> but its going decently fastish
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[9:54] <jtb_> hey I have a quick question
[9:54] <jtb_> how many dongles are supposed to come inside the tb?
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[9:55] <Meizirkki> 2
[9:55] <Meizirkki> BLOOTH AND WIFI
[9:55] <Meizirkki> sorry cas
[9:55] <Meizirkki> caps
[9:55] <jtb_> mine only has 1
[9:55] <Meizirkki> really?
[9:56] <jtb_> yes
[9:56] <Meizirkki> the bt should be really small
[9:56] <martinh> really? btooth one is quite small.
[9:57] <jtb_> my tb is quite nice
[9:57] <jtb_> it's almost perfect
[9:58] <Meizirkki> so does it have the bt dongle?
[9:58] <martinh> firefox on js heavy sites is slow.
[9:59] <Meizirkki> http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/images/3/34/OpenTop-small.png
[10:00] <jtb_> yeah I just missed it cuz it's so small
[10:01] <jtb_> the whole thing is smaller than I expected
[10:02] <jtb_> now I'm off to work on the magnets
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[10:16] <martinh> hmm.. has anyone tried installing android apps on their tb?
[10:17] <rrebel> martinh: HAHAHAHA I just started reading up about that.
[10:17] <rrebel> martinh: I think the browser might be something worthy of trying to make a recipe for.
[10:18] <rrebel> martinh: I also wonder about porting the userland of Moblin.
[10:18] <rrebel> http://source.android.com/download
[10:21] <rrebel> I'd be trying now but all my available CPU's are busy doing builds.
[10:22] <rrebel> I can't run the android dev envt on my Snow Leopard box, so I'll have to wait until my builds are over to try.
[10:26] <Meizirkki> rrebel, Moblin is available for arm already via ubuntu moblin remix
[10:27] <Meizirkki> mut i didn't like the UI
[10:27] <Meizirkki> plus it's not usable with touchscreen
[10:27] <rrebel> Meizirkki: what do you mean by ubuntu moblin remix?
[10:28] <rrebel> Why not touch screen?
[10:28] <Meizirkki> Ubuntu-moblin-remix is ubuntu with the Moblin packages
[10:28] <rrebel> Oh, you'll then still have to add the touchbook patches to the kernel and such.
[10:28] <Meizirkki> the cursor needs to be put agains the top corner to get the bar to show up, that's not doable with a touchscreen
[10:29] <rrebel> It was my impression that Moblin was designed for touch interface use.
[10:30] <Meizirkki> no, it was designed for standard netbooks without a touchscreen
[10:30] <rrebel> Well, the AI daemon could be changed to do that I bet.
[10:30] <rrebel> Hit the AI button, menu drops.
[10:32] <Meizirkki> i was thinking about makingthe button act as a right-click, i mean once you press the button you'll have 2 seconds to click the screen and it works as a right-click :)
[10:32] <Meizirkki> Sorry my horrible english O_o
[10:33] <rrebel> Where did you find this btw?
[10:33] <Meizirkki> moblin-remix?
[10:33] <rrebel> yeah.
[10:34] <martinh> i have my panel on autohide. since the AI button brings up the menu it works nicely.
[10:34] <Meizirkki> I was just searching the launchpad for the connman intel connection manager and found out the whole moblin has been ported
[10:36] <rrebel> martinh: Does that mean you have moblin running on a TB?
[10:36] <martinh> no.
[10:37] <martinh> just pointing out that since there's a standard button on the tablet you can make it do what you want.
[10:37] <rrebel> BTW, does anybodies TB AI button work correctly when detached from the kb?
[10:37] <rrebel> martinh: Yeah, that's what I said above regarding the AI daemon being altered.
[10:37] <martinh> nothing needs altering.
[10:38] <martinh> that's a standard key.
[10:38] <rrebel> My AI button when double pressed does NOT bring up the on screen KB when it's detached.
[10:38] <rrebel> I am talking about the button on the side of the TB, not on the KB.
[10:38] <rrebel> When the KB is attached, double pressing the AI button on side of case DOES bring up the on screen KB.
[10:39] <martinh> yea. th's
[10:40] <martinh> that's a standardd button
[10:40] <rrebel> Um... Then why is there a driver written for it?
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[10:46] <martinh> well, the driver turns it into the key code.
[10:47] <martinh> at least according to xev
[10:47] <rrebel> The AI daemon watches for this.
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[10:48] <rrebel> One press brings up panel in kbless mode, two within 500ms of eachother SHOULD bring up the on screen keyboard but doesn't on my system.
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[10:49] <rrebel> Anyways, the AI daemon could be changed to do something else, or I guess you could map the key to something using X.
[10:49] <martinh> works fine for me.
[10:49] <rrebel> martinh: Not for me :(
[10:49] <rrebel> It works when the keyboard is attached.
[10:50] <rrebel> Not when it's detached.
[10:50] <martinh> works for me
[10:51] <martinh> I do need to stop it from bringing up the 3d interface until the transitioning between the two is fixed.
[10:51] <rrebel> What do you mean?
[10:52] <martinh> the window manager loses window information between the two.
[10:52] <martinh> not sure.
[10:53] <martinh> beyond that.
[10:53] <rrebel> Did you disable the panel then?
[10:53] <martinh> the panel? no.
[10:53] <martinh> i want to disable the 3d interface.
[10:54] <rrebel> What 3d interface?
[10:54] <martinh> the one that pops up when you pull it off the keyboard.
[10:54] <rrebel> You mean the app launcher (what I am calling panel) when you switch to tablet mode?
[10:54] <rrebel> I see.
[10:55] <rrebel> You can use it in tablet mode with the regular interface by hitting the keyboard icon in the 3d interface panel.
[10:56] <martinh> right. . .but, it's the switch between the two interfaces that loses the window information and then things go wonky.
[11:00] <rrebel> Well, I just confirmed. If you don't swith it to keyboard mode when kb is detached you cannot get the OSKB to show up.
[11:00] <rrebel> Eg, try launching fennnec and hitting your AI button twice with KB detached.
[11:00] <rrebel> No worky worky.
[11:02] <shtylman> does it really have to build all those damn locales?
[11:02] <rrebel> ahahahahahaah
[11:02] <rrebel> You have to alter the recipe to get it to stop that, but yeah.
[11:02] <rrebel> takes forever
[11:03] <martinh> so. keyboard attached. fennec open. AI key on screen hit twice and the keyboard pops up.
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[11:04] <shtylman> rrebel: nope... http://wiki.openembedded.net/index.php/How_to_disable_generation_of_locales is a bit easier :)
[11:06] <rrebel> martinh: yes, that works.
[11:06] <rrebel> martinh: now detach kb. Launch fennec, then hit the AI key on side of TB twice.
[11:07] <rrebel> Launch fennec from the 3d interface
[11:11] <martinh> lets see if this 3d thing works for me.
[11:11] <martinh> it hasn't yet.
[11:11] <martinh> at least not sanely.
[11:11] <rrebel> Yeah, it's buggy. It's hard to select the right web launcher, it's almost as if it's miscalibrated, but that's not hte problem.
[11:13] <shtylman> where the hell does it put the built files?
[11:14] <rrebel> shtylman: /srv/work/touchbook/angstrom-dev/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv7a
[11:15] <rrebel> on my system.
[11:15] <martinh> ah! it seems that once the xfce panel is gone it doesnt' fire up the keyboard.
[11:15] <rrebel> martinh: Yes.
[11:15] <rrebel> Which makes keybardless mode useless.
[11:15] <shtylman> rrebel: well...a bit different on mine..but the deply/glibc helped me find it.. thanks
[11:16] <martinh> well. if you go back to that interface it does work.
[11:16] <rrebel> martinh: Which is probably due to AI daemon using an xfce launcer to start it.
[11:17] <rrebel> http://alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Ai-daemon
[11:17] <shtylman> ok...so I found the files...how does one go about actually installing that stuff? over the network?
[11:17] <martinh> yea. probably.
[11:18] <rrebel> martinh: spawn("/usr/bin/xfce4-popup-menu", "-keyboard", NULL, AI_UID);
[11:19] <martinh> totally it.
[11:20] <rrebel> shtylman: I haven't done it yet, but yes I assume so. I've never played with ispk, but I bet there is a repository setting in /etc or something.
[11:20] <rrebel> Or export that directory with samba.
[11:20] <rrebel> Which is probably what I'll try doing once I am done compiling. :D
[11:21] <shtylman> well... I won't have a running tb system...im trying to get one going from scratch :)
[11:21] <rrebel> However, I want to get another SD card and do a copy so I have a bootable backup.
[11:22] <shtylman> rrebel: yea...ive made backups and whatnot... im just playing around now
[11:22] <rrebel> shtylman: I saw a doc around recently that talked about how to format cards.
[11:23] <rrebel> shtylman: I don't know how to do a complete new... I wonder if you can do like with RPM's and have an installation target.
[11:23] <shtylman> rrebel: formatting the cards the pretty straight forward
[11:23] <shtylman> rrebel: don't know about the installation target stuff
[11:24] <rrebel> I know with RPM there is a way to build distros. I dunno about the stuff for debian based distros.
[11:25] <rrebel> When I run out later I have to pick up a backup sd card and a reader for my linux box (I don't have one)
[11:28] <shtylman> yea... i need to go out and get more sd cards
[11:41] <martinh> it's time to get a stack of 'em.
[11:47] <martinh> i've got a 32G class 4 card I might use as my usual usage card and do dev type stuff on the faster 8G.
[11:55] <drantin> is there any reason why the touch book's screen might shutdown by itself, sometimes within seconds of being turnedon, while the system itself seems to still be up (lights on the inside blinking, etc) and stuff typed on the keyboard shows when it gets turned back on
[11:55] <drantin> and I have to press the power button twice to get it back on
[11:56] <drantin> heh, just sent that line while the screen was dark.. andit justwent dark again
[11:56] <drantin> installed rxvt-unicode to get a decent terminal emulator
[11:56] <robclark_tb> drantin: fn-f7 also brings the screen back
[11:57] <drantin> any idea why it goes dark?
[11:57] <drantin> happens plugged in and on battery power
[11:57] <robclark_tb> no, some bug
[11:57] <drantin> ah, well... that's the only irritating thing I've found thus far
[11:58] <martinh> don't worry. . .you'll run into more.
[11:59] <shtylman> hahaha
[12:01] <drantin> dunno, most of what people are complaining about are things that don't matter to me.
[12:01] <drantin> I couldn't care less about flash, for instance
[12:04] <martinh> well, I DO want to play videos off the intarwebs. but that's not an immediate priority.
[12:09] <Meiz_n810> "All rights reserved" in ai-daemon @ the wiki still not being removed :(
[12:09] <shtylman> Meiz_n810: don;t worry about it
[12:10] <Meiz_n810> i don't
[12:10] <shtylman> :)
[12:10] <Meiz_n810> much :P
[12:10] <shtylman> heh
[12:10] <Meiz_n810> It's just stupid, Gregoire said he'll remove them..
[12:11] <shtylman> its a wiki...can't you remove them?
[12:12] <Meiz_n810> O_o
[12:13] <Meiz_n810> what a great idea!
[12:16] <Meiz_n810> done
[12:16] <shtylman> :)
[12:16] <drantin> hehe
[12:28] <martinh> ~
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[12:58] <Govee> I am missing the quit script from the /usr/bin/ folder. Now the shutdown in the start menu does nothing
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[13:09] <shtylman> great...now it fails to build the x11-image ...
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[13:40] <rrebel> Hey... Anyone know where the instructions are to format new SD cards and duplicate the original image? I can't find them and I know I saw them at some point.
[13:41] <drantin> are you making a duplicate of the card, or making a copy using a downloaded image?
[13:41] <rrebel> I want to duplicate the card currently in the TB.
[13:41] <rrebel> Onto another SD card.
[13:41] <rrebel> I guess DD would work.
[13:42] <drantin> should work just fine, and it would make sure the bootloader is setup properly, etc
[13:42] <rrebel> But I do remember finding the page that talked about formatting and such...
[13:42] <drantin> only thing is, dd copies the unused space too
[13:43] <rrebel> drantin: I dont care about that to be honest.
[13:43] <drantin> it's your time, not mine ;d
[13:43] <drantin> er..
[13:43] <rrebel> Eventually I want to install a totally new system I've compiled out of dev onto a card (build a distro)
[13:43] <drantin> silly keyboard really screwed with that smiley
[13:43] <drantin> :D <-- what I intended
[13:44] <rrebel> So is there documentation about how to make your own bootable card?
[13:44] <rrebel> I could swear I saw that somewhere.
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[13:48] <drantin> rrebel: check the special pages link on the wiki for the orphaned pages list, is the advanced section of the "reinstall OS" page what you're looking for?
[13:50] <drantin>
[13:50] <rrebel> drantin: Yeah, I think this is it.
[13:51] <rrebel> Nope, that's not it.
[13:51] <drantin> :/
[13:51] <rrebel> But it's useful.
[13:52] <govee> can anyone send me the quit script from /usr/bin/?
[13:52] <rrebel> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/OS_architecture
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[14:35] <hyc_tb> there is no /usr/bin/quit
[14:35] <hyc_tb> whoever said there was is wrong
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[14:43] <shtylman> hyc_tb: hey... have you done a build of openembeded from scratch? and installed one of the *images* it produces?
[14:44] <shtylman> I patched the kernel in oe receipies and built xorg-image
[14:44] <shtylman> then copied that over to root partition on sd card
[14:45] <shtylman> but when I boot I don't see screen properly
[14:45] <shtylman> the image is squashed on half the screen
[14:45] <shtylman> curious to know if you have done an install from scratch? and had it work?
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[14:53] <hyc_tb> nope, have not installed a full image
[14:53] <hyc_tb> I never had the patience. I just did bitbake virtual/kernel to build my kernel
[14:53] <hyc_tb> and use the u-boot and xloader from AI
[14:53] <shtylman> heh ... and just installed that in the first partition?
[14:53] <hyc_tb> yeah
[14:53] <shtylman> yea...I still use their uboot and xloader
[14:54] <shtylman> hmm... ok.. I will poke at it some more... it would be good to be able to do clean install
[14:54] <shtylman> my nice and fast machine allows me to build lots pretty fast :)
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[15:10] <govee> i did...I saw a listing the apps listing on the wiki that showed what i thought was a script for shutdown at /usr/bin/quit
[15:11] <Corsac> b/lastlog usps
[15:11] <Corsac> gn/
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[15:27] <rrebel> All, for those who want to make their own bootables and such, this may be of use to you: http://linuxtogo.org/gowiki/Angstrom/qemu-system-arm
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[15:28] <rrebel> shtylman: That link may be of use to you.
[15:28] <MADgood> has anyone tried installing thunderbird?
[15:28] <shtylman> rrebel: thanks
[15:29] <rrebel> shtylman: From what I see, you need to just skip the machine part, and do a bitbake console-image x11-image
[15:30] <rrebel> shtylman: I am in Martini Mode, so I am done for the night, but eventually after I back up my SD card I'll be producing my own images.
[15:31] <rrebel> How lame am I, it's Saturday night, and I am having martinis and surfing for obscure details about building alternate platform bootables.
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[15:32] <shtylman> heh
[15:32] <shtylman> I produced my own images...I just need to deal with having the proper drivers I suppose
[15:33] <rrebel> shtylman: You'll need to look at the recipe on the wiki for the touchbook system and the patches. They are pretty straight forward.
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[15:34] <rrebel> shtylman: Forward porting them to 2.6.32.x might be an issue. There is much activity in the linux-arm linux-omap tree lately.
[15:34] <shtylman> the patches don't tell the full story
[15:34] <shtylman> you have to make sure the right modules are packaged up
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[15:35] <rrebel> wtf, I thought that splits were a thing of the past!
[15:35] <rrebel> shtylman: That's easy to read by the recipe. It has a linux conf config patch.
[15:35] <shtylman> and that the modules are present on the system as well as the right config settings
[15:36] <shtylman> yea... thats what I thought...but still not working as I expected :/ let me know how it goes for you
[15:37] <MADgood> shtylman: what is bitbake + how is it related to the touch book?
[15:37] <MADgood> i keep seeing ppl talking about it
[15:37] <shtylman> MADgood: bitbake is the build system to build the packages/images for emdedded systems
[15:38] <rrebel> shtylman: I will. I am more interested in making sure that suspend to RAM is working and making sure a touch sensitive browser that performs makes it onto the platfform. What is your focus?
[15:38] <shtylman> in general it is just a process execution system, but openemdedded uses it to build
[15:38] <MADgood> shtylman: i see, thanks
[15:39] <rrebel> I don't know if I like bitbake. To be honest, I know how to do xdev, and it's not that hard. Creating this whole separate system seems kind of odd.
[15:39] <shtylman> rrebel: probly gonna look at the touchscreen bit
[15:39] <rrebel> Maybe the qemu folks cooked it up. I dunno.
[15:39] <shtylman> heh
[15:40] <rrebel> shtylman: Why? Just curious. It's simply a pointer interface. It's how the apps behave with it that seems to be more of an issue. Can you expound on that?
[15:40] <shtylman> rrebel: well, for example when using the stylus it jitters
[15:41] <shtylman> not sure if that is a hardware limitation or a software problem
[15:41] <rrebel> Oh yeah, and someone seriously needs to work on the mousepad driver. Right side scroll, that kind of thing.
[15:41] <shtylman> yea
[15:41] <shtylman> im surprised that doesn't already work actually...
[15:41] <rrebel> shtylman: I think it's too touchy. Not hard to put in code that softens it.
[15:42] <rrebel> shtylman: Me too. Every other linux distro has it. Including ubuntu.
[15:42] <koen> robclark: only if you mean "pushing tb stuff upstream" with setting up a git kernel :)
[15:43] <robclark_tb> koen: ok, you pushing to linux-omap?
[15:43] <robclark_tb> I basically want a kernel for the TB, but also pulling in some stuff from the omap3 l-o sync tree
[15:44] <robclark_tb> (which is also heading upstream eventually)
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[15:44] <robclark_tb> so was thinking about setting up a fork of the l-o sync tree but w/ the TB patches applied
[15:44] <shtylman> rrebel: and another goal of mine is to get a system installed from a clean build... so that I know better what modules to activate and whatnot... thats just for learning and wahtnot
[15:45] <tommd> robclark_tb: Where would this fork live? Last night I almost started a github TB repository
[15:45] <rrebel> robclark_tb: Are you working on the linux omap3 stuff? I have been watching the mailing list and it looks like there is lots of stuff that's actually made it into 2.6.32x
[15:45] <shtylman> getting display working right is one of those goals
[15:45] <robclark_tb> github or gitorious probably
[15:46] <shtylman> +1 gitorious :)
[15:46] <robclark_tb> I work on omap3 stuff.. actually mostly gstreamer/multimedia stuff, but have done some driver hacking
[15:46] <rrebel> shtylman: Yeah, and I want to use XFS myself. For a number of reasons. I don't get the need to use aufs either, but I'll have to dig into that.
[15:46] <shtylman> where does it use aufs?
[15:47] <rrebel> shtylman: Type mount.
[15:47] <rrebel> It's described a few places.
[15:47] <shtylman> ahh
[15:47] <rrebel> I like BSD's rotate_root functionality... At least I think that's what it's called. Works great for embedded last I used it.
[15:48] <tommd> rrebel: What does it do?
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[15:48] <tommd> Oh, nevermind - your discussing FS.
[15:49] <rrebel> tommd: It replaces what the kernel thinks is the root with something else. Eg, a RAM disk image.
[15:49] <tommd> yeah, that is neat.
[15:50] <rrebel> tommd: Yeah, but it's to be used carefully. If you boot a kernel and then say expand a whole bunch of stuff elsewhere, then switch to it, you must be usre what you switch to matches what the kernel and other running binaries expect.
[15:50] <shtylman> can someone cat their /etc/xorg.conf for me and pastebin it?
[15:50] <shtylman> actually scratch that...
[15:50] <shtylman> I think I have a local backup
[15:52] <rrebel> BTW, has anyone noticed that CPU is consumed with cursor movement? That's very odd for a modern platform.
[15:55] <shtylman> could be the redraw
[15:55] <shtylman> im sure the mouse hardware doesn't *tax* the cpu...not by itself...
[15:56] <rrebel> Exactly.
[15:57] <rrebel> There shouldn't be redraws by X for cursor movement.
[15:57] <rrebel> That should be done by the graphics chipset.
[15:58] <rrebel> I move my mouse on any other system and I see interrupts but no real CPU involvement. TB cpu goes up to 30% on cursor movement.
[16:00] <rrebel> HW cursor support has been around since I was 21.
[16:04] <koen> robclark_tb: I'm not keen on creating even more linux-omap forks for the time being
[16:07] <robclark> koen: I guess it would only be until TB patches and the DSS2 related stuff is all upstream in one tree
[16:07] <robclark> just more convenient than dealing with a million patches every time I want to build a kernel
[16:08] <robclark> (I'm not interested in any sort of "official" tree.. was just going to do my own personal tree until everything is upstream)
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[16:14] <rrebel> There is no blame, only the force...
[16:14] <shtylman> haha
[16:14] <shtylman> I can't even get ipkg to work
[16:14] <shtylman> so you have gotten farther than I
[16:14] <shtylman> yea... ipkg update fails
[16:15] <shtylman> no idea..
[16:15] <shtylman> yes...indeed
[16:24] <shtylman> yes...I don't like xfce at all
[16:30] <shtylman> there are a few...
[16:31] <shtylman> I also want to get around to trying kde netbook shell
[16:36] <MADgood> i should be able to build most apps from source on here, righht?
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[16:46] <shtylman> you should be able to build ALL apps from source :)
[16:50] <hyc_tb> indeed
[17:08] <martinh> pretty much true for all apps anywhere. . .
[17:08] <martinh> getting your hands on the source for many of them, well, that's a bit tougher.
[17:12] <shtylman> heh
[17:12] <shtylman> I gotta figure out what to do about the screen bevel
[17:12] <shtylman> it cuts off 1px on every side..
[17:13] <shtylman> most annoying in a virtual terminal
[17:15] <martinh> yea. i'm a tad annoyed, but it's not too bad.
[17:17] <shtylman> wtf...xfce has stopped responding to left click...
[17:17] <shtylman> or xorg has stopped sending it..or something...
[17:18] <shtylman> nvm...an xjournal just crashes...or is at least in a very unhappy place..
[17:20] <shtylman> where is the touchscreen driver located?/ what is it called?
[17:21] <hyc_tb> I don't remember. if you browse thru the kernel .config you should see it
[17:22] <hyc_tb> or make menuconfig
[17:22] <shtylman> k
[17:22] <shtylman> and also the touchpad driver? both are in kernel right?
[17:23] <shtylman> or is part in xorg?
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[17:23] <shtylman> I think I am gonna tackle the touchscreen
[17:23] <shtylman> it is just very annoying to me that it doesn't really *detect* right
[17:23] <shtylman> when I use my finger
[17:23] <shtylman> and I have skinny hands too
[17:25] <shtylman> and it has de-bouncing issues
[17:26] <hyc_tb> yeah, you're talking about kernel drivers
[17:26] <hyc_tb> I think the keyboard has debouncing issues too
[17:26] <shtylman> yes, it does as well
[17:26] <hyc_tb> I thought the kb/mouse were just standard USB stuff but there's a custom AI driver for that too
[17:26] <shtylman> that should be a firmware fix though... but maybe not
[17:27] <hyc_tb> under HID section
[17:27] <shtylman> hmm
[17:27] <shtylman> ok..guess thats where my priorities lie
[17:27] <shtylman> fixing deboucing
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[18:18] <geist> if i get some time i was thinking of trying to bring webos up on it
[18:18] <geist> being that it's very close to a palm pre
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[18:40] <shtylman> where does it store the unpacked and patched kernel source?
[18:42] <shtylman> oh my ... I think I found it
[18:48] <martinh> always innovating support pages has links to forums and wiki.
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[21:29] <spvensko> Macer: what's your opinion a few days later? still hate it?
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[21:36] <shiznebit> Macer, if you hate send me it !
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[22:55] <whoever> hi all
[22:56] <whoever> does the touchbook have accessabillity features, ie; 16pt font, dvorak-r keymap?
[22:58] <nascent> It has dvorak, dvorak-l, dvorak-r
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[22:58] <nascent> I haven't checked the fonts yet.
[22:59] <jtb_> does anybody elses tb not go into sleep mode when pressing the button
[22:59] <jtb_> and does anyone know how to fix this
[23:01] <whoever> nascent: thx can i get you to chevk the fonts
[23:02] <nascent> From the looks of it the fonts don't get very large.
[23:03] <whoever> nascent: what is the screen res?
[23:04] <nascent> 1024x600, that probably can be changed but no option in the GUI, yet.
[23:05] <whoever> nascent: what is the largest font size you see listed
[23:06] <nascent> You can increase the menu size, and font of the browsers separately, but doesn't look to be set up for accessibility.
[23:07] <nascent> whoever: firefox lets you choose all the normal sizes you see.
[23:08] <whoever> nascent: now i am using 16pt font with a 1400x1050
[23:09] <whoever> nascent: i mean for the de
[23:09] <jtb_> is it possible to put it to sleep via software command because it's not working hardware wise ?
[23:11] <whoever> jtb_: i dont have one , try xscreensaver
[23:11] <nascent> whoever, the DE environment lets you choose, small, medium, large. not sure what it changes but I guess it is about 16px
[23:11] <nascent> jtb_, let me check.
[23:11] <whoever> nascent: thx
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[23:19] <nascent> jtb_, I remember reading something on the forums, but can't locate it now.
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[23:48] <wooz_> lo
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