#touchbook IRC Log


IRC Log for 2009-10-08

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:01] <dpb> Sure. Build it with openembedded.
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[0:05] <hyc> you can just remove it and install openssh
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[0:25] <hyc> heh. I ordered a pair of SD cards from NewEgg pretty much immediately.
[0:26] <hyc> yeah, it's a pretty good wifi card and the TB is a nice system really
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[0:29] <hyc> when you're running decent, non-bloated code it is plenty fast
[0:30] <hyc> gawd... mozilla is hopeless
[0:30] <hyc> it's amazing the difference in perf/footprint compared to webkit
[0:31] <spvensko> Macer: have you warmed up to your TB yet/
[0:32] <hyc> I need to get some spare time to port MGR over.
[0:35] <spvensko> worth the $400?
[0:41] <hyc_tb> have you used gstreamer yet, or just mplayer?
[0:44] <hyc> the stock stuff? that's mplayer...
[0:45] <hyc> yes
[0:45] <hyc> and the video driver will refuse to draw a video overlay that goes offscreen. so you need to tell the player to scale the 720 down to fit.
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[0:46] <hyc> but also, it's possible that the codec for that video is unsupported
[0:46] <dpb> gstreamer isn't a media player
[0:46] <hyc> gstreamer is used in the player tho. used by totem.
[0:47] <hyc> and the DSP support is currently only available as gstreamer modules.
[0:47] <dpb> it's a multimedia framework/library, it's not the actual media player.
[0:48] <hyc> dpb: now you're splitting hairs. gst-launch is part of gstreamer, and that certainly plays media.
[0:48] <dpb> oh?
[0:49] <hyc> gst-launch filesrc location=myvideo.mkv ! playbin
[0:50] <hyc> if by "media player" you only mean a GUI, then no, gstreamer is not. but as far as I'm concerned, anything that *plays media* is a media player. ...
[0:50] <dpb> why not wlan?
[0:50] <hyc> right, the G1 isn't fast enough to handle a lot of traffic
[0:50] <dpb> by "media player" I mean some sort of UI to control media playback
[0:51] <hyc> unless you happen to have yours overclocked...
[0:51] <dpb> can you pause/play with gst-launch?
[0:53] <hyc> dpb: ctrl-z, fg
[0:53] <dpb> hyc :P
[0:53] <dpb> hyc: and going forward/back in the video? :P
[0:54] <hyc> :P
[0:54] <hyc> yeah, that's all I use on the TB
[0:54] <hyc> it's noticeably more responsive than ff
[0:55] <hyc> and smaller memory use
[0:57] <dpb> huh? gmail does work quite well with webkit based browsers. is the midori on the TB OS old?
[0:57] <hyc_tb> 0.1.10
[0:58] <hyc_tb> pretty up to date i think
[0:58] <spvensko> wow, it's so weird to see a channel this active at 4 AM my time
[0:59] <dpb> hyc_tb: do you have gmail? can you verify it doesn't work fully?
[0:59] <dpb> I somehow don't believe it doesn't work.
[0:59] <hyc_tb> 1 sec
[0:59] <dpb> As Google's own browser uses Webkit too, would be weird if it doesn't work.
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[1:00] <hyc_tb> I just logged in to my gmail acct
[1:00] <hyc_tb> looks fine
[1:00] <hyc_tb> what should I try out?
[1:00] <hyc_tb> hmmm, I don't see any chat contacts
[1:01] <hyc_tb> so I guess that doesn't work here
[1:02] <hyc_tb> yeah, nowit has a banner saying "use a supported browser"
[1:04] <hyc_tb> well, I'm trying the nocheckbrowser option now, will see if it behaves
[1:06] <hyc_tb> it draws the inbox ok for a minute or two then goes blank
[1:06] <hyc_tb> weird
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[1:07] <hyc_tb> ah no, it goes blank when I try to use the scrollbar
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[1:28] <jvs> why use a windows share browser at all
[1:46] <spvensko> at least you seem to be able to download anything at a reasonable speed
[1:46] <spvensko> i'm stuck on a 60 kb/s line ><
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[2:08] <jvs> it is not possible to add a user?
[2:08] <jvs> hmm
[2:08] <jvs> so, no rootaccess?
[2:10] <jvs> you got a shell, no?
[2:12] <jvs> hmm
[2:12] <jvs> then simply add a user
[2:12] <jvs> cool
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[2:31] <dpb> I built an Ubuntu image yesterday, gonna boot it up with a beagleboard today if I have time.
[2:32] <dpb> Yeah
[2:32] <dpb> Well the touch screen is possible too if you just buy one ;)
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[2:37] <dpb> You probably need to edit the boot scripts
[2:38] <dpb> You could just rename the ai user in /etc/passwd
[2:38] <dpb> hmm
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[2:40] <dpb> I'm downloading the rootfs atm
[2:40] <dpb> Gonna try that on the beagleboard too
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[2:49] <dpb> tar: ./var/volatile/tmp/orbit-ai: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 02:00:00
[2:49] <dpb> how nice..
[2:49] <dpb> bye
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[4:18] <Meiz_n810> still no tracking-number :(
[4:22] <andrewgodwin> Meiz_n810: same here
[4:25] <dpb> yep.
[4:45] <blunderer> one day left for tracking number in my mail box before I contact AI
[4:45] <blunderer> that's what they said
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[4:50] * dpb just booted the TB OS on a beagleboard
[4:55] <dpb> hrmm, why won't usb work on this..
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[4:55] <dpb> the tb os kernel must not support the beagleboard properly..
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[4:57] <dpb> err, why reinstall the os?
[4:58] <dpb> just do a mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX4 on the card on your machine, that'll but the OS to the original state
[4:59] <dpb> on your computer, not on the touchbook
[5:00] <pliny> Like a knoppix cd?
[5:01] <dpb> Macer: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/Revert_OS
[5:02] <dpb> except that's wrong for the latest image, it's support to be partition 4 instead of 3, because there's a swap now
[5:02] <blunderer> a swap on a SD card?
[5:03] * dpb fixed the wiki
[5:03] <dpb> yes, there's swap on it.
[5:03] <pliny> Better to wear out a card than the built in NAND, I guess.
[5:03] <dpb> Yep.
[5:03] <dpb> I see.
[5:04] <pliny> Macer: What about using a liveCD?
[5:04] <andrewgodwin> yeah, swap on an SD is fine
[5:04] <andrewgodwin> given that a 1GB SD card is around 50p...
[5:04] <mjr> people have been swapping on sd on other devices for ages
[5:05] <pliny> You could probably just get away with deleting every file on the partition... If you've got a Windows box, there is an ext3 driver...
[5:05] <dpb> Flashing the sd all the time is sd murder just the same..
[5:05] <mjr> you'd have to trash pretty hard for the sd to burn out very quickly
[5:06] <dpb> You can, but you'll have to partition it manually to have use for the full 16G
[5:07] <Zygo> I've found that SD cards tend to fall into two categories: those that fail in a few weeks or months, and those that still work long after they are too tiny to be useful
[5:07] <Zygo> unfortunately there's no way to determine which type any given SD card is until it fails
[5:08] <Zygo> I've found no correlation between price and failure
[5:10] <dpb> err, why is the TB OS kernel lying to me?
[5:10] <dpb> cat /proc/cpuinfo says the hardware is OMAP3 Touch Book
[5:10] <dpb> even though it is the beagleboard..
[5:11] <dpb> indeed
[5:11] <dpb> of course it isn't worthless
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[5:25] <dpb> Well this other kernel doesn't even boot... argh...
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[5:37] <dpb> koen: do you know if there's a beagleboard kernel somewhere that works with the touchbook OS?
[5:38] <dpb> I'm going to get ubuntu running on my tb when I get mine. Probably will provide instructions and images for others if nobody has done that before then.
[5:38] <dpb> I don't have a touchbook yet, so can't try it ;)
[5:39] <dpb> still haven't gotten my damn tracking number..
[5:40] <dpb> I was planning on helping with the username change (maybe even write a wiki for it), but can't really help with that without USB working
[5:42] <dpb> you can just swap the sd card in the main sd slot
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[5:44] <dpb> Well you can't boot it on the fly, you need to edit the u-boot parameters for that
[5:46] <dpb> (and if you do that there's a possibility you'll brick the device)
[5:47] <dpb> I wish they hadn't added any samba crap. So useless for me.
[5:48] <dpb> Well I'm not going to use the TB OS anyway, so bleh :)
[5:49] <dpb> :P
[5:49] <dpb> can you paste me somewhere what this says: first sudo -s and then /sbin/fw_printenv
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[5:54] <dpb> thanks
[5:54] * Macer finds a better pasting site
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[6:35] <dpb> night
[6:51] <martinh> harumph. . .
[6:52] <martinh> is the full startup suite documented? or, is it just stock init, X & xfce?
[6:52] <martinh> because, something is reseting the mouse speed stuff after I set it during xfce startup.
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[7:11] <DJWillis> Macer: not going well at all then?
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[7:28] <martinh> Macer: I thought you were going to bed? :->
[7:29] <martinh> my wifi is weird. it doesn't seem to be getting as good of reception as I would have thought.
[7:29] <martinh> but, basically it works.
[7:31] <DJWillis> martinh: WiFi on the TB is USB right? Not SDIO?
[7:33] <martinh> yea
[7:34] <DJWillis> Ahhh,
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[7:38] <alexandre_fs> Hi all.... I'm interested in buying a Touchbook, but Im in Portugal, so I was wondering if any1 has any experience in delivery to Europe ( taxes, etc...)
[7:39] <blunderer> alexandre_fs: we are all still waiting
[7:39] <alexandre_fs> oh...
[7:39] <DJWillis> alexandre_fs: you will get stung for taxes and I understand that getting one outside of the US is a non-starter right now.
[7:40] <alexandre_fs> because it's non-US orders, or everyone is waiting?
[7:40] <blunderer> our order has benn processsed, account charged, hopefully we'll get a tracking number in a few days
[7:40] <blunderer> for non US orders
[7:41] <alexandre_fs> DJWillis, really? You think I'll pay for customs?
[7:41] <alexandre_fs> blunderer: when did you buy it?
[7:42] <blunderer> begining of august
[7:42] <alexandre_fs> uhmmmm that's not good...
[7:43] <alexandre_fs> did you contact thenm? what are they saying?
[7:43] <martinh> ok. it seems that hitting fn-f7 seems to restore the screen.
[7:44] <blunderer> alexandre_fs: they started shipping last week
[7:45] <DJWillis> alexandre_fs: well it's a tech export from the US to Euro so yes, you will get stung by customs unless your very lucky.
[7:45] <DJWillis> And it's well over the free limits
[7:46] <alexandre_fs> they don't plan to have a resseller in Europe by any chance?
[7:46] <alexandre_fs> i have to contact them
[7:50] <DJWillis> alexandre_fs: I know a few people who asked about picking up Euro distribution but I think the volume of devices is too low at the moment (but I am just guessing).
[7:50] <alexandre_fs> ok thanks...
[7:51] <alexandre_fs> just one last question, when you say "well over the free limits" what do you mean? 20% of the product price?
[7:51] <alexandre_fs> something like that?
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[7:53] <DJWillis> alexandre_fs: the customs cost are based on the country they come from and go to, I can't help you there.
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[7:53] <martinh> Macer: hopefully not. :->
[7:54] <alexandre_fs> DJWillis: ok thanks anyway
[7:57] <alexandre_fs> bye all!
[7:57] <martinh> ok. ssh'ed into the touchbook. that'll ease typing.
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[7:58] <DJWillis> martinh: handy thing that, I use SSH to tweak the Pandora all the time, should send the OpenSSH guys Beer :)
[7:59] <martinh> and the dropbear guys.
[8:00] <DJWillis> martinh: true, Beer by Fedex
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[8:03] <martinh> I might have to see if I can find a wifi dongle that allows external antennas.
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[9:48] <JoeM> hello everyone
[9:52] <TomMD-TB> hello
[9:52] <JoeM> it maaay just be me... I cant watch some videos except from youtube and hulu
[9:52] <TomMD-TB> What? Flashv ideos?
[9:52] <TomMD-TB> flash videos
[9:53] <JoeM> I mean can only see videos from youtube and hulu
[9:53] <JoeM> clips from news sites just keep loading. no vids
[9:55] <Corsac> well, flash player problem I guess
[9:55] <Corsac> remember that there's no adobe flash player support for the TB
[9:55] <Eruquen> what's the alternative?
[9:55] <JoeM> any way around that?
[9:56] <andrewgodwin> has someone tried nicking the ARM flash plugin from an n8x0 device?
[9:56] <JoeM> corsac: did u get shipping number
[9:59] <Corsac> nop
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[10:04] <mjr> a potential way around it would be gnash, and fixing it to work with more of the current content on the web :]
[10:04] <JoeM> sorry to hear that... corsac.
[10:05] <Corsac> JoeM: did you?
[10:05] <JoeM> got tb yesterdaay
[10:05] <MADgood> anyone else having random screen blackouts?
[10:06] <JoeM> not use to the keyboaard
[10:06] <JoeM> it did blackout but I didnt charge it with the tb on
[10:07] <JoeM> fine now
[10:08] <MADgood> oh, you're saying once I fully charge it thee blackouts will stop?
[10:08] <JoeM> mine did... you must haave the tb on to charge the tablet
[10:09] <JoeM> havent used tb too much hope it dont happen again
[10:10] <MADgood> keeps happening to me. onlyseems to happen while its in use.. I charged it all last night too
[10:10] <MADgood> anyone else having this issue?
[10:11] <JoeM> with it on?
[10:12] <MADgood> yeah
[10:13] <JoeM> if it keeps up contact help desk
[10:17] <martinh> Macer: fn-f7 brings the screen back.
[10:18] <martinh> MADgood: you. not him.
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[10:25] <martinh> the wiki & the forums are pretty good.
[10:34] <MADgood> martinh: great. thanks
[10:34] <MADgood> do you have the same problem?
[10:35] <azaghal> Anything new?
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[10:39] <martinh> I do.
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[10:55] <tommd> MADgood: Everyone has that issue - use Fn-F7 to get the screen back. They are working on a fix.
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[11:01] <martinh> tommd: if everyone has the issue, how come I couldn't find documentation on using fn-f7?
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[11:09] <tommd> martinh: I don't know - I just randomly saw it on the forums. This community is not yet organized enough on the wiki.
[11:12] <martinh> when did you see it on the forums?
[11:12] <martinh> cuz. i just put it there this morning. :->
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[11:20] <tommd> martinh: Yeah, it must have been from you!
[11:21] <martinh> ok. whew. i would have been annoyed if i had to duplicate someone's work. :->
[11:21] <martinh> the fn-f6/7 set are for brightening/dimming the screen. it's interesting that brightening it makes it come back.
[11:22] <martinh> makes me think there's an issue that sets it to a brightness of zero randomly.
[11:28] <mjr> Sounds like. At least having the issue software-correctable is encouraging ;]
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[13:04] <Corsac> hmhm, could someone told me the From: header of the USPS mail?
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[13:10] <cmcmanis> Hmm, 6:40AM this must be in europe ;-)
[13:10] <tommd> Corsac: Gregoire Gentil
[13:10] <tommd> Always Innovating
[13:11] <tommd> And an apt on villa st in mountain view.
[13:11] <cmcmanis> nice, so I've got a few issues with my new TB, this the place?
[13:11] <tommd> cmcmanis: And the forums are good too. And please for the love of god help make the wiki useful.
[13:11] <Corsac> you might try here, or the forum
[13:12] <Corsac> tommd: the From: is from Gr??goire Gentil?
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[13:12] <Corsac> (no AI member idles here nowadays, though)
[13:12] <cmcmanis> :-) Aye the wiki can use help (will try to contribute)
[13:12] <Corsac> and there's the helpdesk if it's an hardware issue
[13:12] <cmcmanis> So charging, not so great, even with both tablet + keyboard + on it never indicates "full"
[13:13] <Corsac> how long did you let it charge?
[13:13] <cmcmanis> Its been plugged in (off and on) for about 36 hrs now
[13:13] <tommd> Corsac: Yes
[13:13] <Corsac> tommd: hmhm and what's the mail?
[13:13] <Corsac> cmcmanis: and how much charged is it?
[13:14] <cmcmanis> Corsac, how can I know? (led is yellow) there is no battery monitor app that I can find yet
[13:14] <tommd> Gregoire Gentil
[13:14] <tommd> Always Innovating
[13:14] <tommd> Apt 264
[13:14] <tommd> 1600 Villa St
[13:14] <tommd> Mountan View CA 94041-1173
[13:14] <tommd> Thats it. Surprising to me - I would have expected a PO box.
[13:14] <cmcmanis> Just down the street from Jean-Marc Frailong when he lived in Mtn View
[13:15] <cmcmanis> 2nd issue is that the "mouse" on the keyboard is behaving unpredictably, not sure if its a keyboard issue or driver issue. USB mouse is fine
[13:16] <Corsac> tommd: I mean the From: email address from the shipping
[13:16] <Corsac> tommd: when you receive your usps tracking number
[13:16] <Corsac> cmcmanis: try ???acpi??? or ???acpitool???
[13:16] <Corsac> or look in /sys maybe
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[13:21] <cmcmanis> nothing in /sys sadly
[13:24] <dpb> there's no acpi in the touchbook.
[13:24] <dpb> iirc that's an x86 thing
[13:25] <cmcmanis> aye but sometimes linux uses the x86 name for things outside of x86 ;-) But so far I cannot tell how much charge is in my battery
[13:26] <cmcmanis> but 'echo 100 > /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/brightness' did wonders for readability
[13:26] <dpb> cmcmanis: x86 != arm
[13:27] <cmcmanis> I know dpb, that is why I said "outside of x86" I meant to describe non x86 systems which were running software that had originally developed assuming that x86 was everywhere
[13:28] <cmcmanis> sigh, now my display went dark
[13:29] <cmcmanis> but at least the battery charge indication is now green (42hrs btw)
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[13:33] <cmcmanis> wonder if I can build chrome ...
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[13:45] <Corsac> cmcmanis: good point :)
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[14:42] <hyc_tb> Macer: if you had installed Linux on a PC right away, you wouldn't have to burn out your SD card like this
[14:43] <hyc_tb> they probably should have made *nix access a requirement for getting one of the beta deliveries...
[14:51] <hyc> I got 8 hours, not 12
[14:51] <hyc> the current kernel doesn't have all of the power management features turned on
[14:52] <hyc> probably because some of them are still broken
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[14:52] <hyc> dpb: the TB hardware is obviously not identical to the BeagleBoard. Kernels for each are definitely not interchangeable.
[14:53] <Corsac> hyc: didn't you fixed that already?
[14:53] <Corsac> hyc: I'm expecting you to fix that before I receive mine!
[14:53] <hyc> the assignment of peripherals to ports is not the same. the init sequences are different.
[14:54] <hyc> I built a kernel with all the powersave stuff turned on, and then I had problems with the USB hub
[14:54] <hyc> apparently it would have its power turned down during boot, and then it didn't have enough power to initialize
[14:55] <hyc> yeah I think so
[14:55] <hyc> also there's no cpu frequency governors, so it always runs at full speed
[14:56] <hyc> or, if the CPU has its own speed control (which actually I'm sure it does) it doesn't tell the kernel about its changes.
[14:57] <hyc> yeah, with proper speed control you could probably double the useful runtime
[14:57] <hyc> but there's a lot of work going on in the 2.6.31 and 2.6.32 kernel here
[14:57] <Corsac> no
[14:57] <hyc> so some of this is just waiting on a newer merge. Gregoire and Koen were coordinating on that.
[14:58] <Corsac> don't even think about wasting your time for that
[14:58] <hyc> a lot of the patches in AI's kernel recipe are already integrated in the 2.6.31 kernel
[14:58] <robclark> hyc: maybe we should setup a git tree for TB kernel? W/ the all the extra TB patches
[14:58] <Corsac> that'd be nice
[14:58] <hyc> robclark: yeah, I asked Gregoire about that
[14:58] <Corsac> along with all the other sources, anyway
[14:58] <Corsac> no
[14:58] <robclark> I kinda want to pull in some of the stuff going on on linux-omap kernel (or at least branch w/ DSS2 driver and v4l2 display driver added
[14:59] <Corsac> touchbook update needs to handle *stable* updates
[14:59] <Corsac> tested ones etc.
[14:59] <robclark> no idea about tb updater.. but you probably don't want to touch this kernel for a while ;-)
[14:59] <Corsac> at one point, the TB will be used by regular end user :)
[14:59] <robclark> not if you want working stuff ;-)
[14:59] <hyc> robclark: yeah, me too. but at this point it would be duplicating effort, since koen is already into it.
[14:59] <robclark> oh, ok
[14:59] <robclark> actually, I just saw koen a few minutes ago
[15:00] <robclark> I guess he's visiting Dallas
[15:00] <hyc> yep.
[15:00] <hyc> then you might see Gregoire too
[15:00] <Corsac> is Gr??goire in dallas?
[15:00] <robclark> ahh, cool..
[15:00] <hyc> he had a meeting with Koen yesterday
[15:00] <robclark> probably not if it was on a TI campus
[15:01] <robclark> but we do have an espresso machine here.. it's almost as good
[15:01] <hyc> uh.. almost, except that there's no wine, and no cheese. :P
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[15:02] <Corsac> filing bugs is ok, fixing bugs is better!
[15:02] <hyc> Macer: that's an odd one. I'll have to boot back one of my old images and check again. it was working easily before.
[15:02] <robclark> btw, unrelated question hyc... I can't seem to get wifi working with unlisted wireless networks..
[15:02] <robclark> I had same issue last night until I changed my wireless router to advertise the network name
[15:03] <robclark> is that a known issue?
[15:03] <hyc> hm, I haven't tried that.
[15:03] <hyc> yes, all the networking stuff is written in python
[15:04] <hyc> robclark: since it seems none of us have tested it, no, not a known issue.
[15:04] <robclark> oh, ok
[15:04] <hyc> robclark: do you know how to connect to a hidden network manually? if so, we can probably patch the script pretty quick
[15:04] <hyc> Macer: my G1Tether had no encryption key
[15:05] <Corsac> well, just give the essid to iw or wpa_supplicant
[15:05] <hyc> so it should have just associated immediately
[15:05] <robclark> not really.. all my other linux machines are desktops, so I never really played w/ wireless on linux
[15:05] <robclark> (although if you know a good doc, point me at it and I'll figure it out)
[15:05] <cmcmanis> wireless + linux = cesspool
[15:05] <hyc> cmcmanis: true
[15:06] <cmcmanis> Not intentionally, I just think many hands, many ideas, many integrations, ...
[15:06] <hyc> many ideas that aren't well thought out
[15:06] <Corsac> I use wicd and it works pretty fine
[15:06] <hyc> NetworkManager is a royal pain
[15:06] <Corsac> it's a bit rough, but doesn't get in my way
[15:06] <hyc> wicd usually works
[15:06] <Corsac> (which is the major drawback of nm, imho)
[15:06] <hyc> I've been battling NM for months. keep submitting bug reports and patches, patches keep getting rejected.
[15:07] <hyc> Macer: yeah, that works pretty well
[15:07] <hyc> I was thinking of rewriting the AI manager to just use wpa_supplicant for everything
[15:07] <hyc> it would streamline it a bit too, i think.
[15:07] <hyc> no, it stores its settings in /etc/networkdaemon.conf or something
[15:07] <hyc> I had to add the wpa_supplicant bits to it, for WPA support
[15:08] <hyc> before that it only used iwconfig
[15:08] <robclark> ahh, that is where the network settings are hidden
[15:08] <robclark> was looking for wpa_supplicant.conf
[15:08] <hyc> it creates a temporary wpa_supplicant.conf in /var/run
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[15:09] <hyc> well, it recreates it whenever you rerun the manager
[15:09] <hyc> just read the script, it's not like any of this is hidden
[15:11] <hyc> I use C exclusively on my own projects
[15:12] <hyc> but when I stumble into someone else's I just use what they used
[15:12] <Corsac> yeah, python is really nice for some stuff
[15:12] <Corsac> like scapy
[15:12] <robclark> when in Rome..
[15:12] <hyc> (with some exceptions. rtmpdump was written in C++, and died miserably on the TB. I had to rewrite parts of it in plain C to make it work.)
[15:13] <Corsac> xfce4-battery-plugin
[15:13] <robclark> well, hyc, I'll try to figure more about the wireless stuff later.. I gotta finish up some stuff before I leave work
[15:13] <Corsac> if I had a touchbook, I'd have worked on xfce 4.6
[15:13] <Corsac> but???
[15:13] <Corsac> no ide
[15:13] <Corsac> a
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[15:16] <Corsac> Macer: ???they??? means 2 or 3 people, you know?
[15:18] <Corsac> yeah
[15:18] <hyc> probably
[15:19] <hyc> but how many of them just want to write/port their own app and start selling it, vs wanting to work on the base OS
[15:19] <hyc> for development, I guess.
[15:19] <hyc> you could always shell out the $1500 for the 3530EVM :P
[15:20] <hyc> the TB is just the first of probably many ARM-based netbooks
[15:20] <cmcmanis> I've taken to calling my TB "soopa Chumby!"
[15:20] <hyc> and given the N900 and other OMAP3 machines, I'd say there's potential for a larger software ecosystem
[15:21] <Corsac> yeah
[15:21] <Corsac> hope we'll have some news from the maemo summit about availability
[15:21] <hyc> I personally have always been a kernel kinda guy, once you get to software with a graphical UI my interest rapidly drops.
[15:21] <Corsac> for the moment the earliest date I have is oct 29
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[15:34] <JoeM> is there a way to calibrate the touch screen?
[15:37] <MADgood> is there a way to disable the touch interface?
[15:37] <MADgood> from automatically opening
[15:43] <JoeM> mad: dont know...
[15:44] <JoeM> getting frustrated with tablet mode
[15:50] <JoeM> does anyone know how to change the time? It keeps telling me I am not allowed
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[15:57] <MADgood> it said the same for me, then it let me in anyway
[16:03] <JoeM> once you reboot it will change back :-)
[16:04] <JoeM> mad: any prob in tablet mode?
[16:04] <MADgood> it has stayed for me O_o
[16:05] <MADgood> tablet mode... yes
[16:06] <MADgood> fennec is very..... fennicky
[16:06] <hyc> the clock is automatically set using NTP the first time you establish a network connection
[16:06] <JoeM> when i touch web browser it opens wiki... when i finally get to fennek takes waay too long
[16:06] <MADgood> ah. i see
[16:08] <JoeM> tank game let me calibrate but i think i screwed it up
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[16:08] <MADgood> i wasn't sure howto look up
[16:08] <MADgood> i just kept driving around in circles
[16:09] <JoeM> now i drive backwaards... my "a" button sticks sorry
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[16:18] <martinh> i haven't figured out how to quit the game.
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[16:31] <Marcello_> can you run windows on it?
[16:32] <Marcello_> if so, would you be able to run a program like photoshop on it?
[16:34] <martinh> on "it"?
[16:34] <martinh> you mean the touchbook?
[16:34] <Marcello_> martinh, yes
[16:34] <martinh> no
[16:35] <martinh> it's an ARM processor. windows doesn't support it.
[16:35] <Marcello_> ok
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[16:35] <Marcello_> thank you martinh
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[16:36] <martinh> but really. . .not being able to run windows is just a bonus. :->
[16:36] <andrewgodwin> oh, you could run windows
[16:36] <andrewgodwin> if you virtualised it inside qemu :)
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[16:39] <martinh> I don't think qemu can virtualize for windows.
[16:39] <JoeM> anyone havingg problems with mouse pointer getting stuck on the bottom right corner?
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[18:17] <edt> martinh it can if you can run kvm
[18:18] <shiznebit> Macer, have you recieved your touchbook
[18:18] <edt> and I suspect qemm can too - it would just be slow...
[18:40] <shtylman> this thing tips more than I thought...
[18:40] <shtylman> probly gonna see if I can add weight to the base
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[18:50] <martinh> supposedly they have a plastic piece in production that you'll be able to glue on.
[18:51] <martinh> I imagine an extra foot like thing.
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[18:57] <shtylman> I think more weight on the base will be a better fix
[18:58] <shtylman> the foot will be good for tables
[18:58] <shtylman> but for laps and whatnot .. the proper aplication of physics will do :)
[19:07] <martinh> except, it's already pushing heavy.
[19:07] <shtylman> oh its deff heavy
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[19:08] <shtylman> is there a software repository for it? anything like apt? or yum?
[19:08] <shtylman> I imagine not...
[19:08] <shtylman> but wasn't sure if I overlooked something
[19:12] <martinh> ipkg
[19:16] <shtylman> cool
[19:17] <shtylman> does the os show the sd card under /dev ?
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[19:17] <martinh> yea
[19:18] <martinh> /dev/mmsomethingorother
[19:18] <shtylman> ahh heh
[19:20] <shtylman> now...wonder if this thing will boot ubuntu...and with how much pain :/ ... u-boot still has to be used I assume...
[19:21] <shtylman> or can grub2 pull it off...
[19:22] <shtylman> u-boot seems to be what I want...
[19:22] <shtylman> just need to figure out how to use it :)
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[19:28] <martinh> does ubuntu have an ARM port?
[19:28] <shtylman> yea
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[19:47] <shtylman> whats the best way to get battery readings?
[19:47] <shtylman> damn thing had been charging all day ... im curious to know where it is at
[19:49] <martinh> was it on?
[19:50] <martinh> there's stuff in the forums about a battery monitor that might make it into a release soon.
[19:51] <shtylman> yea it is/was on
[19:51] <shtylman> I saw the stuff on the forums
[19:51] <martinh> in the meantime, /sys/class/power_supply has two dirs that reflect the battery's state.
[19:51] <shtylman> is there no way in console yet?
[19:51] <shtylman> ahh
[19:51] <shtylman> thats what I want :)
[19:51] <martinh> cat */uevent in that dir seems to give the best info.
[19:51] <martinh> but, i'm not a hundred percent sure how to read it.
[19:52] <shtylman> k
[19:54] <shtylman> my touchbook screen poweres off every once in a while...is this a known bug?
[19:54] <shtylman> or a setting I can alter?
[19:54] <shtylman> (when I am using it, it powers off)
[19:54] <martinh> it's a bug. fn-f7 brings it back.
[19:56] <shtylman> gotcha
[20:01] <robclark_tb> martinh: cool, thx, I was seeing same issue w/ screen powering off
[20:02] <shtylman> the magnets are insane...I nearly lost a finger then two got too close and *re-connected*
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[20:05] <shtylman> oh my... the power light has started blinking!! the end of charging is near!
[20:19] <shtylman> soo much to try this weekend :)
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[21:11] <drantin> heh, looks like I'll be cancelling my order and just buying my dad's touchbook from him
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[22:38] <coonsta> My TB arrived today :S
[22:38] <coonsta> Is this window manager a joke? How am I supposed to manipulate maximized windows? I can't touch the edge of the screen because of the bezel.
[22:38] <hyc_tb> you still need u-boot
[22:39] <hyc_tb> unless you want to try reprogramming the on-chip NAND. not a smart idea...
[22:40] <hyc_tb> yeah, the bezel really gets in the way
[22:40] <hyc_tb> likewise the lip of the keyboard really gets in the way of the spacebar
[22:46] * Macer files another bug
[22:46] <hyc_tb> that's the way it's supposed to work - file bugs...
[22:47] <hyc_tb> they can't know what to look at if you don't give feedback
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[22:52] <Corsac> hey there
[22:54] <wooz_> lo
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[23:17] <drantin> isn't that what the ability to flip it into an upside down V is for?
[23:17] <drantin> you didn't get one?
[23:17] <drantin> mm...
[23:18] <drantin> buy a music stand :D
[23:19] <Corsac> Macer: xfce4-battery-plugin won't work?
[23:20] <Corsac> (though it'll only work for one battery)
[23:21] <dpb> The battery meter is just software, and the OS is still very beta. When will you understand that? :)
[23:22] <drantin> is there nothing in /proc that has a percentage?
[23:23] <snlemons> Macer: can't invoke the 3D interface in docked mode?
[23:24] <snlemons> Macer: oh, sure. kind of a pain, but it'd be something.
[23:27] <dpb> It will most likely be there at some OS update.
[23:27] <dpb> More quickly if someone contributes it.
[23:28] <dpb> Just see how the 3d interface does it, and make an applet for it yourself ;)
[23:29] <dpb> shtylman: I don't have a Touchbook yet, but I'm working on getting Ubuntu running on a beagleboard currently, the same image should work pretty easily with the touchbook too
[23:29] <snlemons> scared? I can't imagine anything less scary. :-P
[23:30] <dpb> python is quite nice.
[23:30] <snlemons> <3 python
[23:32] <snlemons> Macer: well, there's your battery meter ;)
[23:33] <snlemons> that's what I have my phone do, too. saves battery and signals that it's charge time.
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